Let's look at a few things: worst pandemic - a manufactured crisis that was mostly solved before he took office; worst economy - only bad because of government overreach in shutting down the economy; worst attack on our democracy - that's the most laughable. The riot was "kindergarten" level stuff; Biden would freeze with terror if an attack on our democracy was carried out by even a JV team in comparison.
The pandemic was real - look around you and pick up a newspaper or something.
Had Trump taken the pandemic seriously & not politicized it, it is possible this country would have heeded the national crisis, listened to the scientists, and we could have avoided the deaths of several hundred of thousands/infections of millions of people, so we would NOT have HAD to shut down the economy for as long and as severely as we did. Trump's team left paltry preparations for distribution because once he lost the election, he checked out even more than he did from *governing* -than after he simply got bored with dealing w/COVID-19 months prior.
The virus is real. The reaction, media coverage, narratives surround it - basically everything beyond COVID itself.. was amplified and manufactured to wield political power (read: abuse) in nearly every level of Government.
Neil never said the pandemic wasn't real. The outrage behind it, the idea that it was this catastrophe which reasonably necessitated law changes, massive printing of money, shutting down the economy, crackdown on civil liberties and election law changes? Thats a different discussion.
US death numbers are not an outlier once you consider
1. The US population is on average over 30lb overweight compared to the rest of the world with significant comorbidities (In the United States, 36.5 percent of adults are obese. Another 32.5 percent of American adults are overweight. In all, more than two-thirds of adults in the United States are overweight or obese),
2. has very old population similar to Italy,
3. has tons of tourism during winter
Plus millions of illegal immigrants who stay in packed apartments and don't want to get check ups done at doctors because they don't want to get caught.
4. New York was been found to be the origin of virus variant for majority of the US states - something Cuomo played a big role in. Plus back in March, the American Health Care Association told Cuomo, Wolf, Murphy, Whitmer etc to stop ordering infected patients into nursing homes. The governors ignored the AHCA and removed their own family from nursing homes while forcing others:
Remember the trans Health Secretary Rachel Levine from PA (now Biden's assistant secretary of health) who took out her own mother from nursing home while pushing covid patients into them:
5. Canada has a population density of 4 people per square kilometer and population of 1/10th of US. US has a population density 36 per Km2. US also has the third-highest population in the world.
6. Trump banned travel from China and then Europe in January while everyone called him racist and DeBlasio and Pelosi were telling people to go dance in China town in MARCH!
7. Listened to scientists? Same scientists like Fauci who first told him masks don't work and covid doesn't spread from human to human transmission only to flip flop few months later? You want to blame Trump for something your beloved "scientists and experts" did?
8. If it weren't for Trump's speeding up the vaccine process by removing regulations, you would be having the same fate as Canada - here we don't even make our own vaccine and are now begging other countries for vaccines. While Biden came in office lying claiming there was no vaccine before he took office - a blatant lie.
Have some self reflection before spouting TDS talking points.
Only thing I guess Trump could have done differently is told people to take this opportunity to get healthy and start working out, losing weight and eating healthy. But that would be called fatphobia in today's "big & beautiful" world.
What could Trump have done differently to make the situation better? Asking this as a Canadian who's also not a fan of Trump (not pardoning Assange, Snowden, Bump stock ban etc).
He gave you temporary hospitals and even 2 hospital ships - which governors didn't even use because they loved putting covid patients in nursing homes.
Now that incompetent Trump is gone -- will DNC and Biden corruption (Hunter's laptops, Ukraine, China) still remain taboo or not?
“The hysterical Trump-as-despot script was all melodrama, a ploy for profits and ratings, and, most of all, a potent instrument to distract from the neoliberal ideology that gave rise to Trump in the first place by causing so much wreckage. Positing Trump as a grand aberration from U.S. politics and as the prime author of America’s woes — rather than what he was: a perfectly predictable extension of U.S politics and a symptom of preexisting pathologies — enabled those who have so much blood and economic destruction on their hands not only to evade responsibility for what they did, but to rehabilitate themselves as the guardians of freedom and prosperity and, ultimately, catapult themselves back into power. As of January 20, that is exactly where they will reside.”
Glenn Greenwald on authoritarianism in the US – Dec. 28, 2000
"Listened to the scientists". Which scientists? Which studies that have been peer reviewed? A lot of us have been following science and the nature of this pandemic has been blown out of proportions. What percentage of people who "died from COVID" actually in fact died of COVID alone? 6%, CDC data. The rest had commodities that likely would have died from ANY serious illness, including the seasonal flu that magically no one got this year. The FACT that outside of the 60+ crowd that there is little risk of death. The FACT that Trump fast tracked vaccine development and said at the debates we'd have a vaccine by Christmas yet, all of your "scientists", Fauci and others declared it wasn't possible. The FACT that the Left attacked him for shutting down travel from China - from whence this s*** came - as "racist". You're dealing in "what ifs".
The "scientists" also advised my state to require flu shots for school kids this winter by 12/31/2020. The requirement was scrapped in January because there was no flu. That really gives me confidence in the quality of public heath vaccine guidance.
"What percentage of people who "died from COVID" actually in fact died of COVID alone? 6%, CDC data."
That is pure, unbridled, steaming nonsense. The only thing we know about that 6% for whom only Covid-19 was written on the death certificate is that nothing else was written on the certificate, whether that is because the doctor didn't have time (may have had a pile of other CODs to write or living patients to deal with), because additional tests had not yet come back (CODs can be modified even months later), or they simply did not think it mattered, because EVERYBODY has comorbidities whether they are written down or not.
The quoted percentage is also bunk anyway because as the footnote to the table mentions, causes +overlap+. A naïve summing of the table doesn't give you the proper total to divide.
Beyond that, a number of comorbidities in that table (as mentioned in the notes to the table) may be related to the virus itself: ARDS? Caused by viral infection. Encephalitis? Caused by viral infection. Myocarditis? Viral infection. Pneumonia? Frequently caused by bacterial infection secondary to viral infection. Because the National Vital Statistics numbers in the table just list the causes on the COD, not whether those causes are primary or secondary or any further detail (as, again, documented in the notes to the data), there is no way to know whether, e.g. the bacterial infection came before or after, so, no way to validly use the data for the conclusion you are trying to make. You are adding apples and oranges but getting a percentage of spiders per postage stamp.
Is there some percentage of people, plausibly, who died "from covid" versus "with covid"? Sure, at least within some (probably substantial) margin of error. Does your 6% number represent that? Not in the slightest degree. In fact, we are unlikely to have a good idea of that number for a year or more of examining those certificates in detail--- which is actually darn normal. We are still arguing about that data from the Spanish Influenza.
Covid-19 killed the very old (the CODs are 100% accurate as regards age, as opposed to cause of death, right?). With that in mind, I apologize in advance for this insensitive, but imo ignored and central question:
How many Covid-19 victims would have died by now of other causes, had Covid-19 not happened?
4,000,000 deaths, give or take, year in, year out. This year, 4,300,000. Covid-19 numbers have been used and abused in order to grow the State, at the expense of the free, private sector. The Covid-19 response >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Covid-19 threat. Again, sorry to be insensitive. No one should have died of Covid-19, and everything we can REASONABLY do to zero those deaths should be done.
M. TheRadishSaltant, you are one of the most well-spoken and knowledgable posters I have ever come across. Of course the 6% figure is wildly inaccurate, but I think you help occlude the more important, and relatively unknown, truth.
There are several reports where motorcycle accidents and such were counted as covid deaths. Even leftist rag USAToday confirmed that hospitals get $39000 for every patient who got put on ventilator.
Nobody is saying COVID isn't killing people. What we are saying is that the numbers aren't being reported correctly.
Trump was guilty of optimism bias, but so were a lot of others. I recall many headlines from early 2020 that stated that the flu was more dangerous than COVID-19. Scientific advice also varied widely and changed regularly with this new viral variant, because it was behaving atypically. Plus, it was probably in the U.S. as early as December. I don't think that any one person could have stopped it. As far as politicization goes, that came from both sides. Kamala Harris stated that she wouldn't trust a vaccine that Trump recommended. Remember that? https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/kamala-harris-says-she-wouldnt-trust-a-vaccine-trump-recommended/ar-BB19O9k4
Yes. Pushing an agenda, as Trump is not a sunny kinda guy.
If Trump had not politicized the virus and the wearing of masks and the promotion of drugs/methods that don't work, fewer people would have died. We could have recovered sooner had we coordinated instead of separated.
But you just said in your previous comments to listen to scientists and the scientists like Fauci and WHO and Surgeon General were all telling specifically "Masks don't work" and "covid does not spread from human to human transmission".
Amount of mental gymnastics you TDS folks can do is outstanding.
Andrew Cuomo is responsible for more deaths personally than any other politician in America but the Dems. want to keep shouting Trump! Trump! hoping we will forget his criminal orders and possible pay off by the HC. industry. This administration and its' Party officials are money grubbing creeps and budding little dictators.
All pols politicized this novel coronavirus...it was universally feared (new and highly variable) and fear can be a powerful tool...the science was too complex for our President (and many worldwide) and the densely populated, aged, obese and asthmatic citizens were immediately threatened...what's a leader to do? Epidemiologists skipped protocols that were too bogged down in governmental red tape just to test for the virus's presence...and now humans are relying on a course of treatment that most likely is safe...What is certain is that the U.S. went slightly rogue and survived better than many -- despite our political and media fireworks....
I agree. Trump did his usual shtick of brushing something aside (though fears of creating a panic are worth considering, but whether he would consider that.. maybe his advisors did.) And our understanding of the virus was changing often. That does not mean however that there was not some manufacturing going on within the media landscape around the virus though. Even though the promoted experts said one thing, the media would insist on another. Likely for political reasons or because some were told to. I dont imagine any mustache twirling villains or deeply seeded conspiracies, just people with similar agendas doing their part that works well with what others are doing toward the same ends. Communication isn't even necessary for some things.
"Had Trump taken the pandemic seriously & not politicized it..."
That option was never on the table. Almost every aspect of the response has been politicized, by Trump, by those attacking Trump, by the Democratic governors, by Fauci, by the media, by local mayors picking the businesses or activities they prefer over the ones they don't, by people against masks, people for masks, people against masks before they were for them, etc. Almost none of the response has been rational, whether by those under-reacting, those over-reacting, or those who simply thought it was a dandy time to go on a bender. Trump can hardly be singled out for that and may-- frighteningly enough-- have been less irrational than most. As has been pointed out by others on this thread, Trump was being simultaneously called a fascist dictator and criticized for +not becoming+ a fascist dictator in response to the pandemic, often by the very same people. That's just a bit 'odd', don't you think?
175,000 dead so far under Biden. I have yet to hear a Conservative so despicable that they would stoop to blaming Chairman Joe for those Covid deaths. And thereon lies the difference
Hi Nancy, I'm also pretty disappointed with the COVID-denial (or at least diminishment) among Greenwald's readers, who I'm probably politically aligned with on most things. But I also think blaming the crisis on Trump to the extent that you do is not helpful either. I believe any Dem administration would have had a similar response - and protected their rich friends like any Republican pol - albeit without the idiotic speeches and tweets. Just look at Cuomo legally shielding the nursing home execs while implementing a policy that killed thousands of elderly people. The root issues are our byzantine bureaucracy of pharmaceutical companies, bought-out political system, for-profit healthcare system, and an economy in which most people CANNOT stay home from work or they will risk financial insolvency and in some cases hunger. No one in the federal government is willing to tackle those issues right now. We also have the most transient population on Earth, which makes things even more difficult. There are a few actions a President could have taken without Congress (which was half-Democrat and never proposed a real solution, and in fact transferred a ridiculous amount of wealth upwards), but the only things that could have significantly helped in my opinion were absolute, but brief, shutdown at the start, constant and free testing, and recurring checks, none of which the corporate-owned parties would have done. Fauci's missteps and the CDC's overall incompetence is also independent of parties; for example, at-home self-testing kits, which were sent out for free in many countries that did better, were banned explicitly by the CDC for their 90% accuracy and implicitly due to pressure from pharma.
I agree with much of what you said and am not going to nit-pick the points in disagreement. I will stress, however, that no other president, living or dead, would have politicized mask wearing to the detriment of the health of the nation. Nor would he have denigrated science to the extent that he did. Nor would he have sidelined the *experts* in order to get in front of a camera. If I am wrong, who?
I disagree about the mask politicization. General American attitudes (and I hate to say it, entitlement) plus Fauci's flip-flop guaranteed masks would be a political issue. Trump, for all his incompetence, was occasionally a smart political actor, and took up the mask cause to pander to his base. But it was already an issue for his base before he leaned into it. I think definitely Reagan and probably Bush Jr. would've done the same thing, or been advised to do the same by Cheney, whatever BS decorum talking points he spews nowadays.
Fuck whomever the president was. Their mere act of running for the office should make any rational human being question their judgement and moral bearing.
Presidents and wanna be Presidents are horrible people to the letter. That’s what you don’t get.
I accept most of this, and you seem to agree with my point that it is not helpful to blame Trump so heavily, as it obscures larger problems with our systems.
Any newspaper which agrees with the narrative! But not the ones which don't agree with the narrative! And that's how we end up with going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Trump bit is a gross over-reach. Please note that Europe, where Trump held little sway, was also subject to the pandemic and the attendant governmental incompetent response. Also , does it occur to you that this bug mutates into more dangerous forms and there is no reason to believe that any governmental response was going to defeat Mother Nature's Way and make the bug disappear.
Blame game is for the weak. We are not a nation that can handle the pandemic. If we were, we would have. So a single person, Trump, had that much power and influence to affect the entire reaction to the pandemic. Pandemics cannot be stopped, cannot be minimized. Come into reality where life is complex.
Tell the 570,000+ families that we will have performed so well.
Pre-vaccinations, Andreas.
Anybody who listened to any news last year would know that Trump did not lead on the Coronavirus. What about what he did prior to January 2020? I do not care how much you love or admire or respect the man, he did not lead this country through the worst pandemic in 100+ years.
Schumer and Biden were correct when they accused President Trump of xenophobia when he stopped travel from China in January 2020!
The Democrats were right when they said that no vaccine would be available until at least April 2021!
The Democrats were right when they said that needed equipment was not being made available! And President Trump was evil, for example, by sending fully staffed naval medical ships to NY and LA faster than expected!
The Democrats were right when they attacked President Trump for reporting that HCQ was a useful treatment, saying that we shouldn't trust the scientific research reports that Trump was referring to!
All of these evil science-based actions by President Trump were repulsive!!! And the responses by the beloved Democrats were wonderful!!!
There are no shortage of "patriots" trying to polish Trump's record with lies of competence on Trump's side, which, of course, NEVER happened. The man could not organize a two car parade. But his Troops and cadres of "apologists" are "grooming" him for 2024, and writing *only for the benefit of those who were NOT paying attention the FIRST time this Bozo was POTUS.
The plan will be the constant "drip ... drip ... drip... of Chinese Water Torture for the next four years. Lies refuting the fact that this mentally and emotionally damaged human being called Trump was *anything but an illusionist and a con man from the first day he came floating down the escalator (because he is terrified of stairs, germs, and common sense) screaming about rapist immigrants and promising walls that never went up in any significant amounts, no matter how much money Trump "liberated" from the Defense Budget to build them.
Keep up the good work, Nancy. You have value as one who SAW the truth, no matter how many "soft minds" want to see Trump the golfing lump as the second coming of Christ.
Please tell us what he should have done, please. This information could really help us in the future. We're waiting. And in FL were we opened up very early vs lockdown states is right in the middle statistically and has lower deaths per capita that most lockdown states with a much higher elderly per capita population.
The fact that you can't understand what was said is amazing.
"Pandemic - a manufactured crisis." Pretty much true. There was a mostly logical reaction early on, but as more and more data came in, the "follow the science" crowd moved way away from the data and more towards control and directions that had nothing to do with science. And look where we are today. The government won't even let you walk around without a mask if you've been vaccinated. Where's the science, or even the logic, in that?
"Mostly solved before he took office" - again, pretty much correct. Without Warp Speed, Biden wouldn't be able to think about taking credit for getting vaccines out because there wouldn't have been any. I doubt Biden would have had the guts to loosen restrictions on testing end to fast track development of a vaccine. In fact, I'm sure he'd have been happy if it was extended. Why do I think that? Because they are extending it today by saying you will not get back to normal until those nasty Trumpers all get vaccinated.
"Economy only bad because of government overreach" - why else is it bad? It was great before the pandemic. Trump would have sailed to a 2nd term most likely if it wasn't for the pandemic. The economy was flying. You think Covid caused the economy to tank? Didn't realize a virus had that power. No, it was government overreach. It was the government shutting down businesses, mostly small ones, randomly (choosing who could and couldn't stay open with very little science behind that), scaring the bejesus out of people to the point where Biden voters think the death rate is 10-50x the reality, and telling everyone, even if they weren't in any danger, to stay home for way longer than they should have.
Your lack of basic understanding of reality is troubling. You should seek some counseling.
The inability of so many people to differentiate between, “all the restaurants closed because of the pandemic” and “all the restaurants closed because of pandemic-justified measures” is really kinda terrifying to me.
So many people automatically assume, “oh so you think the virus is fake, you’re one of THEM,” If you identify the crisis as a manufactured result of hysterical panic, fear-driven edicts, and no small amount of opportunism by people who think the world is theirs to control.
People were dying tragically because the Chinese released a virus upon the world and hid all the facts they knew about that virus. People died because some Governors thought it would be smart to put Covid patients into nursing homes versus immediately protecting the elderly as soon as we realized they were by far the most vulnerable. Reminder for the slower people out there - all the Covid rules and enforcements were done at local and state levels. The Feds had little to do with how States and local counties operated. The data does not lie. Top of the list for worst death rates per 100K - top 4 are all Blue states. So, let's get real about the efficacy of draconian measures and masks and distancing. Using a butcher knife when a surgical tool would have sufficed is what happened in most of the Blue states.
People were afraid because the mainstream media and liberal Democrat morons spread lies and hyped up Covid to the point where Biden voters had no idea of what was going on. You should check this out - seems like a rather balanced approach to seeing who's actually informed and knowledgeable (https://www.justfacts.com/news_2020_survey_voter_knowledge#results). It was also a combination of stupidity and a willingness of liberals to be lead around by the nose by the government. They are so unsure of themselves that they need Joe Biden and Kamala to tell them how to think, what to do, and when to do it. It's quite sad. We are literally turning into a nanny state.
The sad fact is, if the Covid had hit us 20 years ago, we would have been given the facts, some guidance from the government that would have said, if you're old, or fact, or you have these pre-existing conditions, stay indoors, mask up and social distance. Everyone else, wear a mask if you want, social distance if you want, but follow normal hygienic procedures - wash your hands, don't touch your face and stay home if you feel ill. We used to be a tougher people. We used to value our liberties. We used to not trust the government. Today, we're a bunch of snowflakes, we give up liberty for safety and we love to have the warm embrace of the government all around us.
Benjamin Franklin, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
THESE WORDS WILL HAUNT YOU A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW if we continue on our current radical course.
On one hand I think: 20 years ago was 2001, when people gave up countless freedoms and accepted an exponentially more suspicious & myopic worldview because they got scared/angry after 9/11.
On the other hand though, I think you might be right — social media outrage/fear factories weren’t on full blast and people were FAR less hooked to their devices. Hell, even 10 years ago the policy recommendations for influenza pandemic preparedness don’t go anywhere near the draconian biosecurity state measures that so many people were begging governments & corporations to implement a year ago:
I think ultimately if the death counts ever become honest reflections of the lethality of the virus, mortality/lifespans will still be better than they were as recently as like 1990. People certainly used to be a lot tougher and less willing to cede control of their lives to such unaccountable entities.
However I also wouldn’t bank on many people actual realizing/caring about what they’ve given up & enabled in the name of safety. It still feels like it falls on deaf ears to mention the numerous losses of civil rights/liberties & overall assaults on human dignity as a result of the world’s reaction to 9/11.
Totally agree. Honestly, I think if you just treat people like adults and allow them to determine their own risk tolerance instead of imposing draconian rules universally, I think you'd find that we'd find a good equilibrium amongst ourselves and there would have probably been similar deaths but less economic damage. We certainly would have damaged our children less and schools would have been open a lot sooner. Let people figure things out themselves - believe me, they'll do it quicker and better than the government ever will.
It's good to see your strong criticism of Dr Fauci! He kept changing his mind on these things, especially on wearing masks. As late as July he was personally showing that wearing masks was not needed (and that social distancing was not necessary).
And obviously you are also clearly criticizing the CDC and FDA, which continually put obstacles in the way of making progress. The CDC's bad tests and their prevention of the use of a test developed in Seattle, and the FDA's restrictions on use of HCQ to only on hospitalized patients (the exact opposite of the science, which finally in October the various agencies and the AMA agreed was correct) are examples.
President Trump certainly did an excellent job! He got equipment out fast and vaccines in record time, thanks to his experience in working with organizations and getting them to collaborate.
The virus is going through the population one way or another. This has been certain the entire time we've had testing for it. Lockdowns kill people but don't stop the virus.
or, perhaps, it speaks to your lack of knowledge. Yes, the pandemic "crisis" was manufactured. After the initial panic, reasonable voices and data indicated this was not anywhere close to as bad as predicted, and that we only needed to focus on "at risk individuals". But it was too late, politicians understood there was power to be gained and weren't about to let this go to waste. So they manufactured a crisis where there was none. As a result of the power they usurped in responding to their manufactured crisis, they shut down the economy - nearly completely. Without this government overreach, the economy would have never has gotten as bad as it did. But this was intended - tank the economy prior to the election, so President Biden could claim credit for the natural rebound.
One great piece of evidence: response to Trumps suggestion that HCQ may work in conjunction with Zithro. Since "orange man bad" said it, everyone went nuts claiming "people will die!!!". Guess what, right after the election, the AMA said - HCA and Zithro do work. So, untold hundreds of thousands died because of the politicization, by Dems and the left, of the virus and the deferral of treatment created more artificial panic and worsened the lock down. And they knew it; this was intentional. But the Dems were desperate to do anything they could to unseat Trump.
I am sure people are not fleeing California and New York to Florida and Texas because they love the tyrannical government overreach which has destroyed their economies. Good lord, how can you be an adult on the internet while spouting such nonsense.
You saved me the trouble. Thank you. This is all propaganda spin worthy of Russia or China. It's like they're not even pretending anymore. They just dare us not to swallow it.
This is what I think the entire thing has been about. Being able to print enough cash to paper over (again) the problems the financial system is having. The world's biggest bailout but nobody can see it.
There is one fact about January 6th that renders all the outrage bullshit, and I can't believe it gets so little attention. That fact: some of the Capitol Police let the protesters in.
Unpack that. Imagine ANY protest that might happen at the Capitol -- BLM, anti-war, pro-Trump, climate change, etc. -- and ask yourself what would happen if the police stepped aside and said "come on in!"
Some people would go in. Always.
There you have it. This one fact, that police INVITED people to come in, is both necessary and sufficient to create a so-called "insurrection." It would lead to the outcome we saw every time, with every protest, for any passionate cause.
Now if protesters came in with guns and started shooting police or members of Congress, then you would not have the conditions necessary and sufficient to create THAT outcome. But that didn't happen. What did happen would happen in any similar case. People running around, cheering, and generally not knowing what to do with themselves. And eventually leaving or getting arrested.
In short, this was MANUFACTURED. The police hold 100% responsibility for the fact that the Capitol was overrun by a handful of protesters from a large group of protesters who decided to take the police up on their invite. Their actions created the basis for sweeping narrative change, new security protocols, and novel legislation on domestic terrorism that we know was already being considered in the background, just waiting for a casus belli.
This begs the question: did anyone who wanted this justification have any role in the Capitol Police decision to invite in the rabble?
Anyone who was paying attention saw video of security personnel removing the stanchions, and more security personnel right behind that person waving everyone in. That doesn't get them inside though. But, if you're modestly diligent, you've seen the video of security personnel opening the capital doors. You are 100% correct: This was an utterly manufactured narrative.
By the way, most of these videos have been removed from YouTube because they violate their Terms of Use, to wit: Paragraph 17(e)(4)(i) 'Any real-life depiction that undercuts our favored narrative will be removed from the Platform.'
When they file suit it is very likely we will learn the id of the cop. Filings in a legal action are public record. So even if a later settlement includes an NDA it won't stop the public from learning his name.
I wonder if they themselves know the identity of the cop. And if they do, it speaks volumes to their character that they haven't made it public as compared to ambulance chasers of criminals like Floyd, Jacob Blake, Rayshard Brooks etc.
In addition, the "riot" occurred just as objections to the election results were beginning to be presented to congress, how convenient. I'm sure you notice how they didn't go back and restart that meeting so that those objections could be presented.
I wonder how the invitation by some of the Capitol police will play out in regards to the the charges being pursued against the people involved in the events at the Capitol.
There are even videos where the capitol police lets the people in without any effort to stop them and cops are heard saying "I don't agree with them but I respect them."
The entire speech was riddled with lies. Perhaps not coincidently, the Bezos news daily, err, sorry, the Washington Post, signaled that they would not be fact-checking Joe Biden. Apparently his honesty is too great for words. We are entering a very dangerous time for our democracy where all of the major cultural institutions, corporate media at their head, have united to eradicate conservative thought from the public square.
Boy, no kidding! What's worrisome is that they're not making the slightest attempt to cover up what they're doing. They feel emboldened and are not in the slightest bit afraid of the consequences.
It's all so tiresome though. I have friends who don't even know about Hunter's laptop because they think it is legit russian disinformation. I can show them nudes of Hunter and they still won't believe it. And these are not dumb people - they are quite intelligent in their own other fields. But when it comes to politics, it's complete brain wash. But I guess propaganda is strong too.
But they fact checked Tim Scott's family history to reveal that his grandfather didn't drop out of school in the third grade to pick cotton, like Scott claimed, it was in the FOURTH grade, you see, "and ["for all we know" being the implication] may have been a common stopping point for schooling in those days".
Wait did this really happen about the fact check? I don’t follow establishment news much and not a fan of Tim Scott myself but this fact check sounds something out of babylonbee.
Yes, it's Kessler's fact check column April 23. RealClearPolitics and Federalist decried it, Sun-Times op-ed went on offensive saying "Tim Scott" can't stand being fact-checked. It is pretty rich to fact check him in that manner, because, (along the lines of the similar saying on some thing maybe stupid but def not smart) "I don't know if it's racist, but it ain't antiracist".
I'm surprised you left out the massive riots over many months prior to the January 6th riot where billions in damage were done as cities burned and dozens were killed. And why did you particularly not find it fit to mention the riots at Lafayette Park which forced the secret service to move the President to a bunker. Dozens of Secret Service Agents and security men were injured. Why is that attack on the White House a lesser transgression than breaking into the Capitol Building during an out of control protest? And, in addition to Officer Sicknick's media murder fantasy, I find it outrageous that Ashlii Barrett's murderer was never even been charged with a crime for shooting an unarmed woman in the neck at point blank range, a woman who was on the other side of a wall where there were tons of other options available to prevent her ingress. Why is that not an outrage? Why have dozens of non-violent trespassers from January 6th been held in solitary confinement and without opportunity for bail? Why have their attempts to raise bail money been blocked by Big Tech? Why are people who supported the protest in DC being arrested, persecuted and censored? Why were Rudy Guiliani's electronic devices taken by the FBI as clear political retaliation for him digging up dirt on Hunter Biden? What kind of totalitarian, tyrannical dystopian nightmare are we living in? Is this the end for America?
I'll give him a pass on not mention the events your write of. Why? Because Biden's statement is so idiotic and patently false that we could all spend a week making a list of attacks on our Democracy since the civil war that were worse. I've read many since yesterday. Here's a few, together with some I've thought of: Pearl Harbor, 12-7-1941; weather underground bombing the capitol; bombing the federal building in OK City, attempted assassination of GOP lawmakers practicing for a baseball game by a Bernie supporter; Puerto Rican militants bombing a NY tavern. Those are off the top of my head.
There was no insurrection. No one used deadly force except a cop, and no one was armed with deadly weapons except the cops. The vast majority of charges are for misdemeanor trespass. Were they wrong to storm the capitol building, and commit vandalism? Sure. But the Dem bootstapping the event to attempt to potentially create a whole new regime to combat "domestic terrorism" is the REAL threat to democracy.
the fact that we are replying to these sacks of shit who are falling on their fainting couches is the issue in and of itself. Every time one of their lies is taken down, they come up with one to ten more.
The “worst attack” on our democracy actually was January 6th, but it wasn’t caused by the mob OUTSIDE the capitol... it was caused by the “political gangsters” inside the Capitol, who using the events of that day as a rouse to investigate and punish their political opponents...
See today’s DOJ announcement on “white supremacy” as domestic terrorists... they all happen to be Trump voters and the FBI raid on another one of Trump’s lawyers. Name another politician/change agent the Deep State has gone after harder than Trump.
Maybe Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva...
These are marxists in Action...and they want blood, not justice...
There are not Marxists but corporatists. They are not doing those things for class war but rather to protect the establishment. As long as Americans are as uneducated as you, nothing will change. This is what happens when moronic electorate keep electing corrupts scum. When you try to remove the corrupt, they are too powerful and electorate is too stupid.
The marxist concepts are basically being exploited by the establishment to divide and conquer. The "leaders" of the useful idiot "progressives" need as many oppressor-oppressed relationships to divide and conquer the people. So originally, marxism was based on ruling class oppressing the people. But the "leaders" figured out they could take it a step further by creating artificial oppressor-oppressed groups based on race, sex, ethnicity, sexual orientation and what not. Divide and conquer has been used for centuries to retain power because as long as the people keep fighting each other over things like race, sex etc, they ignore the real enemy - the establishment politicians and elites.
> How Marxist ideologues took over our culture. The Plot to Change America: How Identity Politics Is Dividing The Land of The Free: cultural marxism: Before Gramsci, Marcuse, Millett, and the rest, there were, of course, Marx and Engels. But seeing everything through the lens of economics and property produced blind spots for Marx and Engels and their followers, notably the role that race and ethnicity could play (and would go on to play) in the revolution to overthrow the ruling class.
Completely agree with you on the first section and the problem is that idiots can't see what is being done and are pulled into BS fights like gay marriage, trans right, race issues and such. I am progressive and I agree with all those struggles but to me the most important issues is class warfare. No individual should have more then 10 mil, everything above this should be taxed at 100%. I don't believe that humanity has future if this continues and violent backlash is inevitable.
I myself might not have that power, but it will come a time that majority will agree with me. Also its not their work product, but more likely their stolen product. No wealth of that size can be earned legally, so easy come easy go. They will either give it up, which is highly unlikely or there will be blood and muppets like you will not be able to stop it. Give it more time, chickens are going to come home to roost at some point.
So you are a communist insurgent, opposed to the Constitution and the freedom that America offers. You believe in actual theft- stealing the wealth of others to distribute to people who do nothing for it. If there is real large scale violence in this country, people Ike you will be the ones who suffer. There are tens of millions of armed Americans who believe in this country, and not the communist ideal. They are angry an just waiting for an excuse. I am a NY liberal, but I have lots of legal weapons and no one who comes for me or my family will enjoy the experience. We spent decades in school and then rising at 6 and to bed at midnight to earn what we have. You come to take it, you’re going first.
Not sure if I agree with the 100% taxation, but do you really think that someone can work so hard that they deserve more than 100 times the money that a blue-collar factory worker makes? Do you think these bankers give 100 times more value to society? Is rearranging numbers on spreadsheets, gambling, and getting an advanced degree really what we want to value most.
Right. Ask the people in Cuba and North Korea how your plan works out. You want a government authority to dictate what you are worth. The countries that have tried that have failed to improve the living standard. Every single one. 93% of the people of Venezuela now live in poverty. The average Venezuelan has lost about 23 lbs. from lack of food. 10% of the population of North Korea is in labor camps. If you don't want to be a banker, then start your own company. Hire workers and pay them whatever you want. We still have the liberty to do that. But instead, you want to take the property of other entrepreneurs. You want North Korea. Move there.
Disagree. The baseline of the "democrat" party is identity politics i.e. class warfare. Every Democrat identity is "oppressed". Now the democrats want government enforced "equity". That's straight from Das Kapital and its evil, magical thinking.
I wish the Bernie policy advocates would once read up on the fact that Scandinavian countries do the exact opposite of what Bernie policy wants- they have the lowest corporate income tax of 25% and super high personal income tax of 60% for anyone making 1.3x average salary plus 25% sales tax on everything. Plus hey are homogenous low population without illegal immigration and even harder legal immigration. Bernie claims to want Scandinavian utopia while using opposite policies. That’s how you know Bernie is a fraud or simply ignorant.
As for Warren, anyone who trusts a single thing from her mouth after her Native American scam and GameStop sham is a fucking moron who deserves to lose money for being willfully blind.
Biden is now getting FDA to ban menthol cigarettes - something which 86% of blacks and 46% of hispanics prefer. Just like the war on drugs from 1980s and 90s, he's gonna end up putting more blacks in prison.
I don't think that enough people understand that ultimately, all laws are backed up with guns. If you don't want to have people with guns shoot those who want to get high, don't make it illegal to get high. As long as there is a war on drugs, there will be casualties in that war. And the more things you declare a war on, the higher the body count will go.
All law *enforcement* is backed up with guns. I haven't seen anyone in my neighborhood, nor anyone in my broader acquaintance, ever have marijuana laws enforced against them.
Given the lack of any process to have your name removed from the list, and the lack of transparency on why names are added, there is no question its unconstitutional. The right to travel within the US is a recognize privilege of citizenship. The govt taking that right without due process violates the constitution. Someday a court will have the balls to make that finding.
Whether any court has the courage to stand up does not alter the fact it is unconstitutional. It will one day be resolved in the courts. Failing to continue working to that end is throwing in the towel.
You left out one of the biggest: Joe Biden promising to withdraw billions in loan guarantees from Ukraine unless a prosecutor who was investigating his son's company was fired. This one has been hiding in plain sight for anyone to see -- long before Trump ever asked Ukraine to look into it. It's right there on the Council of Foreign Relations video, where Joe Biden brags about doing exactly what I've described. And, now what is this criminal doing? He's further weaponizing the DOJ to go after Rudy Giuliani. Why? Because Giuliani had the audacity to start turning over these rocks. If you're looking for the biggest threat to our Democracy, you'll find it at the DOJ.
I'm so thankful for this comprehensive, well reasoned rebuttal to an almost astonishing attempt to continue to divide rather than unite Americans. No one can or should deny that the Jan. 6 overrun of the capitol was a disturbing, alarming, sad, and embarrassing event. But the "worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War?" Ridiculous, seemingly intentionally divisive, and completely false.
Embarrassing because it was a laughable event. The riots of 2020 were far, far worse. It was alarming only because the Capitol Police seemed to invite it (maybe that was part of the plan). Disturbing because I would have hoped if someone was serious about a riot, they would have planned and executed it at least as well as the folks who ran "the summer of love" did. Those riots were, operationally, pretty well done. Lot's of planning, staging, coordination - gotta give em credit.
There is, of course, another major and historic crime in progress in which both Joe Biden but also Jim Acosta types, play a leading role.
Despite of Glenn’s, Aaron’s, Max’s and Matt's and of many others' years of debunking, the scam of the century – the Russia-gate hoax, now in its 5th-year and ongoing -- that major crime is not even is not even acknowledged yet since its major players (Biden, Pelosi, Schumer) sits in power. Now that incompetent and dangerous Trump is gone it will be addressed – hopefully very fast. The suspense is:
WHO will be the first current or former Democrat Congresswoman/man or Senator to publicly acknowledge and confirm the scam of the century -- the Russia-gate conspiracy – concocted by Hillary-Obama-Biden? There is no possibility of "unity and healing" in the US until that.
Most of "our" representatives are millionaires, some even billionaires, especially among “hidden” but controlling DNC oligarchs – some might be tempted to confirm the obvious truth, many of their family members or close friends or lovers might provide detailed testimonies, etc.
My personal hope is that heroic Tulsi Gabbard might state it, now that despicable Trump has defeated himself and is gone. Her brilliant and epic response after Hillary criminally called her -- “Russia’s asset” is still ringing in my ears:
“Great! Thank you @HillaryClinton . You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know — it was always you, through your proxies and powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine, afraid of the threat I pose. It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly”.
By far the highest interest of Biden government and its oligarch cabal is that Russia-gate immense hoax – the scam of the century -- will NOT / will NEVER be fully exposed. The entire anti-Russian fairytale is a deliberate fabrication -- the worst scam in US history is DNC/CIA Russia-gate hoax. They lost to a TV host and instead of reflection, they latched onto a moronic conspiracy theory -- this includes the completely (proven) false accusations that Russia gave WikiLeaks Hillary's emails (hence the TOTAL silence on Assange persecution and torture). The publisher of our century and the leading free speech advocate, Julian Assange must be silenced -- ALL the plotters/players agree...
There has been collusion between media, Democrat party, Hi-Tech companies and the deep state (CIA, FBI, NSA) for now five years. The Russia-gate hoax and impeachment “entertainments” were concocted by Obama, Hillary, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jamie Raskin, etc. and their intelligence and DNC executives on behalf of their Wall Street and military industry donors. That lying war-mongering team is now back in power – note that Kamala Harris (and her sister) and Neera Tanden are Hillary's protégés; Pete Buttigieg was promptly rewarded for his role of election theft in Iowa, etc.
Remember, Clapper, Brennan & Hayden trio were among Obama's 50 intelligence officials stating that Hunter-laptop is -- a classical “Russian disinformation”.
-- They were also key promoters of the by now five-year Russia-gate hoax.
-- They were also key intelligence executives in Obama/Biden/Hillary government – the government which hunted Snowden (forcing Bolivian plane with Bolivia’s president to land to search it) and armed Al Qaeda (including brazen “white helmets” hoax) and staged ALL chemical attacks in Syria to remove its government.
When asked about Hunter's corruption laptops - Pelosi brazenly stated "All roads lead to Putin"; commenting on Capitol invasion Schumer said - "worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11"...
Lying Russia-gate team is fully back in power and working at full speed -- massive censorship is mandatory for them to preserve power..
WHO among Democrat politicians will be the first whistleblower, demolish the silence and misinformation barrier, and confirm what most of the population already knows for years -- the Russia-gate hoax is the largest crime against democracy in the US..
Well said. It will never be admitted, and the first person to speak up will be the first to get hammered from every angle by the press, Democrats, and "retired" spooks on CNN. (They never really retire, do they?)
It really blows my mind how many people still thoroughly buy into the Russia fear-mongering and Trump-Putin collusion frame-job. The great irony here is that this scam did exactly what its proponents warned us Putin was trying to do: it sowed division and chaos. What the hell did they think would happen to a country with only two (viable) political parties when they convinced tens of millions of people that one side of the aisle supports an illegitimate POTUS guilty of treason?
Another bit of irony was in a clip from Hillary Clinton's podcast (that string of words simply shouldn't exist) on which she and Nancy Pelosi mused about seeing the phone records of the White House that day - speculating that Putin must have called Trump and told him to encourage the Jan. 6th riot. I'd bet my last dollar that neither Pelosi or any other Democrat reflected on the damage they might have caused to the faith in our electoral process.
Remember, it wasn't QAnon or Fox or Newsmax or Russia who first questioned our electoral integrity. It was the Democratic Party. For one, they openly questioned it. On May 16, 2017, Nancy Pelosi Tweeted "Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts." Note the use of the word "hijacked." Even if you believe all of the nonsense in the intelligence reports, none of it claims that control over the 2016 was completely wrested from our hands by a foreign power, which is exactly what Pelosi implies with her Tweet. This egregious example is just one of many.
Secondly, when you understand what Russiagate really was, it definitely shakes whatever faith in the system you might have left.
Whatever one's opinions are on the integrity of the 2020 election itself, I think one thing is clear: if Russiagate had never happened - if the Democrats had taken the L like adults and actually reflected on how they lost to someone like Trump instead of concocting a dangerous lie to protect their own power and privilege - Trump's claims of election fraud would likely not have seemed nearly as plausible, and January 6th, 2021 would have been a pretty uneventful day.
Thank you -- the Russia-gate criminal hoax is a major issue -- for ALL progressives. It is not only a "conservative" issue -- not at all. GOP has its lunatics but Russia-gate was concocted by Hillary's pro-war extremists.
Demanding an investigation into DNC and Biden-family massive corruption is a major step toward stopping the US War Party
Exactly. We already saw Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein get Russiagated (on a much smaller scale, of course). Not sure how much more proof is needed that - as you say - this is not merely a Conservative issue.
Yup. Good catch. The FBI/CIA/natsec state, the entire msm and the opposition party all conspiring together to delegitimize (potentially overthrow), sabotage and hamper a democratically elected president based on unsubstantiated bs certainly would be towards the top of MY list of “attacks on democracy” in this country’s history. (And I’m a leftist.)
Always glad to see other Leftists that get this. It's unfortunate that they enlisted so many Progressives in this hoax. They really don't see what's happening, even after Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein were Russiagated (albeit on a much smaller scale).
Thank you Nenad. We need to agitate for freedom and democracy in -- USA. Although near term hopeless -- I believe in multi-party system, unlike current one party with two right wing monopoly.
China raised 800 million of its citizens - from periodic mass starvation into middle class -- an unprecedented success -- while DNC and GOP oligarchs essentially eliminated middle class in the US.
"53K US contractors in the Middle East versus -- for 35K troops" !!! What a lucrative business and worth unlimited donations to both DNC and GOP politicians. Highlighting just that "detail" -- tells it all....
A 1%-er War party with two right (DNC and GOP) wings -- gay marriage, abortion, "woke", and other imposed topics are just distractions to divide 99% of population into "red" and "blue" camps.
But brainwashed US citizen agitate "freeing" China and increasing hate of Moslems, Russians, Chinese, Martians - just to avoid thinking about our own beloved country. 1%-er overlords are playing us like a violin...
Now that incompetent Trump is gone -- will DNC and Biden corruption (Hunter's laptops, Ukraine, China) still remain taboo or not? This is a central issue for all Americans, especially progressives among them. Below is a quote from GG:
“The hysterical Trump-as-despot script was all melodrama, a ploy for profits and ratings, and, most of all, a potent instrument to distract from the neoliberal ideology that gave rise to Trump in the first place by causing so much wreckage. Positing Trump as a grand aberration from U.S. politics and as the prime author of America’s woes — rather than what he was: a perfectly predictable extension of U.S politics and a symptom of preexisting pathologies — enabled those who have so much blood and economic destruction on their hands not only to evade responsibility for what they did, but to rehabilitate themselves as the guardians of freedom and prosperity and, ultimately, catapult themselves back into power. As of January 20, that is exactly where they will reside.”
Glenn Greenwald on authoritarianism in the US – Dec. 28, 2000
Here is where you and I differ Boris. We both agree that they are all corrupt. But I am black pilled and don't think anyone will ever be held accountable. Elites are above us.
Unfortunately it will have to wait for me mostly because I am Canadian. One day I plan on moving to US though mostly because I love the constitution (something which most politicians don’t seem to value much though).
It is ridiculous. The capital riot was just that - a riot of unruly assholes drunk on Trump's moronic rhetoric. But to refer to it as anything more is laughable ("insurrection!", "attempted coup", etc. - please!).
Only the ones who damage property should. Everyone else should get the same treatment as the anti-kavanaugh protestors got. Heck even the ones who damaged property should get the same free bails by politicians as the 2020 rioters got.
With respect, they all have had nearly four months of jail time already. Any identified are sitting in jail now, and have been since apprehended, with little chance of release soon.
Each person who broke a law should be tried impartially for the actual crimes committed, and sentenced accordingly, with equal treatment in terms of bail and similar lenience.
What should not happen is exactly what IS happening, the use of the non-blind "scales of justice" with a massive thumb on them because these people's views are despised by those in charge.
He tried very had to make himself look good because Lord knows he needs the help very badly. I'll give him credit for a very earnest delivery though. 50 years of pandering and lying gives you mad skills in the areas of deceit.
Thanks for the superb summary. I feel compelled to assert that your characterization of Trump’s call to Zelensky is simply not accurate, and request that you provide the quotes from the call transcript you think are evidence of quid pro quo.
Let's cut through all the rhetoric, shall we? There was no "insurrection" on January 6th, 2021:the protest was a challenge to the results of the 2020 election, given so many anomalies and unexplained "after hours" shenanigans, that anyone not brainwashed by mainstream media would question. A Capital police officer (who remains unnamed) shot to death an unarmed protester coming through a window: the inside of the Capital rotunda was surrounded by both spectators, law enforcement, and suspected Antifa disguised as Trump supporters.
Those who entered the Capital (save for those already inside of it) did not "storm" the building - they were "waved in" by law enforcement from the outside. This whole affair has "Reichstag Fire" written all over it: how very convenient that following the so-called "siege", the members of Congress decided to overlook the volumes of evidence supporting the idea that our election was manipulated by both inside AND outside actors, and hastily confirmed Joe Biden as POTUS. The MSM told us, in essence, "Screw Gateway Pundit, screw Project Veritas, Screw National File, Mike Lindell, etc, then sold us the whopper of a lie that one of the least popular Presidential tickets in modern history scored a victory over Trump, with numbers that well exceeded that of former POTUS Barack Obama.
The hypocrisy of crying "election interference" in 2016 is more evidence of how gaslighting from the Left leads to a surfeit of misinformation and outright deception. So we're to believe that the only interference happened in 2016, and not in 2020 (heck, or in 2000 for that matter)? Do we delude ourselves further about how US military intelligence has done more than merely interfere in the elections of countries, both Democratically elected, and by executive fiat? Does Grenada, Nicaragua, Argentina or Cuba ring a bell?
Our alleged 'partisanship' is the real threat to Democracy, abetted by those who say that our fundamental liberties (and the Constitution itself) are not 'absolute.' The language may be up for interpretation, but not the message - the Founding Fathers made it very clear why we needed a Bill of Rights and a Constitution to keep our republic from devolving into an oligarchic fiefdom. The conservative/libertarian witchhunt is worse than our remorseful interment of both German and Japanese Americans during wartime. The history currently being written could very well signal the death knell for everything the USA represents, warts and all. That Biden's speech would tacitly and surreptitiously suggest a more toward autocratic rule should send a chill up everyone's spine, regardless of party affiliation
I like how people that say the election was fraudulent always fall back on this idea that Biden simply wasn't popular enough to win. They forget that the main motivating factor throughout this **entire election process** was to beat Trump. That motivation was so overwhelmingly strong that by the time the general election came about, any progressive or leftist who didn't eagerly fall in line behind Biden was told to shut the fuck up. "Now's not the time! We have to beat Trump, THEN we'll hold him accountable." (Of course, many broke that promise and are now praising everything he does.)
The vote for Joe Biden - for probably at least half of the people that voted that way - had nothing to do with Biden at all. They could have put a baked potato on the ballot and people would have voted for it. Why? Because the key motivating factor was getting Trump out.
This theory also completely ignores the pandemic. We could argue all day about whether or not we think Trump's pandemic response was adequate, but there's no denying that a once in a century pandemic is a huge blow to anyone's Presidency.
Biden's win also wasn't the landslide Liberals claim it to be. He barely squeaked by in key states like Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and Wisconsin.
Also, who gives a shit if some people "suspect" Antifa had anything to do with the riots. Millions of people "suspect" Trump is Putin's puppet. Doesn't make it true without evidence, does it?
But President Trump's popularity rating was 52% on November 2 and 49% on November 3, and it was 51% or higher from October 22 to November 2, when much early voting was going on. So they weren't focused on "getting Trump out".
That logic doesn't hold up. Were Trump supporters asleep between 2016-2020? Did they not notice the millions of Liberals (and even some pro-establishment Republicans) frothing at the mouth in an absolute rage over every single thing Trump did down to the last Tweet? I'm pretty sure it was the Right that coined the phrase "Trump Derangement Syndrome," yet suddenly, they don't seem to understand what drove Trump's opposition to the polls.
Millions of Americans loved him, but millions of other Americans fantasized about him being dragged out of the White House in cuffs, and found him to be the single greatest threat to Democracy. You don't have to agree with them, of course, but it is crucial to understand that perspective was very widely held.
It's really not a secret, either. It was plastered all over the pages of the Washington Post, NYT, etc. and constantly filling up airtime. "ORANGE MAN MUST GO," 24/7 for 4 years straight. There was not a shred of approval of anything he did among the "Left" (broadly speaking). They hate him so much he could saved a baby form a burning building and Maddow would probably do a segment about how it must have been a Russian baby or some shit lol.
Again, the so-called "resistance" would vote for absolutely anyone to get Trump out.
Only a matter of time til trolls would infiltrate this Substack account.....we can have a reasonable debate AFTER you've visited Gateway Pundit or Judicial Watch, until then, remain a lemming.
Let's look at a few things: worst pandemic - a manufactured crisis that was mostly solved before he took office; worst economy - only bad because of government overreach in shutting down the economy; worst attack on our democracy - that's the most laughable. The riot was "kindergarten" level stuff; Biden would freeze with terror if an attack on our democracy was carried out by even a JV team in comparison.
Pandemic - manufactured?
Mostly solved?
Economy only bad because of government overreach?
Your interpretation is amazing in its reach.
The fact that you got six hearts really speaks to the lack of knowledge or wisdom on this forum.
Enlighten us, Nancy. It appears you took a wrong turn somewhere between NPR and PBS.
The pandemic was real - look around you and pick up a newspaper or something.
Had Trump taken the pandemic seriously & not politicized it, it is possible this country would have heeded the national crisis, listened to the scientists, and we could have avoided the deaths of several hundred of thousands/infections of millions of people, so we would NOT have HAD to shut down the economy for as long and as severely as we did. Trump's team left paltry preparations for distribution because once he lost the election, he checked out even more than he did from *governing* -than after he simply got bored with dealing w/COVID-19 months prior.
Don't watch or listen to NPR/PBS.
Just face facts, dude.
The virus is real. The reaction, media coverage, narratives surround it - basically everything beyond COVID itself.. was amplified and manufactured to wield political power (read: abuse) in nearly every level of Government.
Neil never said the pandemic wasn't real. The outrage behind it, the idea that it was this catastrophe which reasonably necessitated law changes, massive printing of money, shutting down the economy, crackdown on civil liberties and election law changes? Thats a different discussion.
US death numbers are not an outlier once you consider
1. The US population is on average over 30lb overweight compared to the rest of the world with significant comorbidities (In the United States, 36.5 percent of adults are obese. Another 32.5 percent of American adults are overweight. In all, more than two-thirds of adults in the United States are overweight or obese),
2. has very old population similar to Italy,
3. has tons of tourism during winter
Plus millions of illegal immigrants who stay in packed apartments and don't want to get check ups done at doctors because they don't want to get caught.
4. New York was been found to be the origin of virus variant for majority of the US states - something Cuomo played a big role in. Plus back in March, the American Health Care Association told Cuomo, Wolf, Murphy, Whitmer etc to stop ordering infected patients into nursing homes. The governors ignored the AHCA and removed their own family from nursing homes while forcing others:
https://www.ahcancal.org/News/news_releases/Pages/Long-term-care-leaders-address-state-orders-on-hospital-admissions-to-nursing-homes.aspx
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1191811
Remember the trans Health Secretary Rachel Levine from PA (now Biden's assistant secretary of health) who took out her own mother from nursing home while pushing covid patients into them:
https://nypost.com/2020/05/13/pennsylvania-health-official-moved-mother-from-nursing-home/
5. Canada has a population density of 4 people per square kilometer and population of 1/10th of US. US has a population density 36 per Km2. US also has the third-highest population in the world.
6. Trump banned travel from China and then Europe in January while everyone called him racist and DeBlasio and Pelosi were telling people to go dance in China town in MARCH!
7. Listened to scientists? Same scientists like Fauci who first told him masks don't work and covid doesn't spread from human to human transmission only to flip flop few months later? You want to blame Trump for something your beloved "scientists and experts" did?
8. If it weren't for Trump's speeding up the vaccine process by removing regulations, you would be having the same fate as Canada - here we don't even make our own vaccine and are now begging other countries for vaccines. While Biden came in office lying claiming there was no vaccine before he took office - a blatant lie.
Have some self reflection before spouting TDS talking points.
Only thing I guess Trump could have done differently is told people to take this opportunity to get healthy and start working out, losing weight and eating healthy. But that would be called fatphobia in today's "big & beautiful" world.
What could Trump have done differently to make the situation better? Asking this as a Canadian who's also not a fan of Trump (not pardoning Assange, Snowden, Bump stock ban etc).
He gave you temporary hospitals and even 2 hospital ships - which governors didn't even use because they loved putting covid patients in nursing homes.
Now that incompetent Trump is gone -- will DNC and Biden corruption (Hunter's laptops, Ukraine, China) still remain taboo or not?
“The hysterical Trump-as-despot script was all melodrama, a ploy for profits and ratings, and, most of all, a potent instrument to distract from the neoliberal ideology that gave rise to Trump in the first place by causing so much wreckage. Positing Trump as a grand aberration from U.S. politics and as the prime author of America’s woes — rather than what he was: a perfectly predictable extension of U.S politics and a symptom of preexisting pathologies — enabled those who have so much blood and economic destruction on their hands not only to evade responsibility for what they did, but to rehabilitate themselves as the guardians of freedom and prosperity and, ultimately, catapult themselves back into power. As of January 20, that is exactly where they will reside.”
Glenn Greenwald on authoritarianism in the US – Dec. 28, 2000
Nothing will change. Swallow the black pill Boris. Both you and I know that it's a big club and neither of us are in it.
"Listened to the scientists". Which scientists? Which studies that have been peer reviewed? A lot of us have been following science and the nature of this pandemic has been blown out of proportions. What percentage of people who "died from COVID" actually in fact died of COVID alone? 6%, CDC data. The rest had commodities that likely would have died from ANY serious illness, including the seasonal flu that magically no one got this year. The FACT that outside of the 60+ crowd that there is little risk of death. The FACT that Trump fast tracked vaccine development and said at the debates we'd have a vaccine by Christmas yet, all of your "scientists", Fauci and others declared it wasn't possible. The FACT that the Left attacked him for shutting down travel from China - from whence this s*** came - as "racist". You're dealing in "what ifs".
Your opinions are just that and NOT facts.
Scientists opinions are just that and NOT facts.
Sorry Nancy, try again.
"comorbidities"
The "scientists" also advised my state to require flu shots for school kids this winter by 12/31/2020. The requirement was scrapped in January because there was no flu. That really gives me confidence in the quality of public heath vaccine guidance.
"What percentage of people who "died from COVID" actually in fact died of COVID alone? 6%, CDC data."
That is pure, unbridled, steaming nonsense. The only thing we know about that 6% for whom only Covid-19 was written on the death certificate is that nothing else was written on the certificate, whether that is because the doctor didn't have time (may have had a pile of other CODs to write or living patients to deal with), because additional tests had not yet come back (CODs can be modified even months later), or they simply did not think it mattered, because EVERYBODY has comorbidities whether they are written down or not.
The quoted percentage is also bunk anyway because as the footnote to the table mentions, causes +overlap+. A naïve summing of the table doesn't give you the proper total to divide.
Beyond that, a number of comorbidities in that table (as mentioned in the notes to the table) may be related to the virus itself: ARDS? Caused by viral infection. Encephalitis? Caused by viral infection. Myocarditis? Viral infection. Pneumonia? Frequently caused by bacterial infection secondary to viral infection. Because the National Vital Statistics numbers in the table just list the causes on the COD, not whether those causes are primary or secondary or any further detail (as, again, documented in the notes to the data), there is no way to know whether, e.g. the bacterial infection came before or after, so, no way to validly use the data for the conclusion you are trying to make. You are adding apples and oranges but getting a percentage of spiders per postage stamp.
Is there some percentage of people, plausibly, who died "from covid" versus "with covid"? Sure, at least within some (probably substantial) margin of error. Does your 6% number represent that? Not in the slightest degree. In fact, we are unlikely to have a good idea of that number for a year or more of examining those certificates in detail--- which is actually darn normal. We are still arguing about that data from the Spanish Influenza.
Covid-19 killed the very old (the CODs are 100% accurate as regards age, as opposed to cause of death, right?). With that in mind, I apologize in advance for this insensitive, but imo ignored and central question:
How many Covid-19 victims would have died by now of other causes, had Covid-19 not happened?
4,000,000 deaths, give or take, year in, year out. This year, 4,300,000. Covid-19 numbers have been used and abused in order to grow the State, at the expense of the free, private sector. The Covid-19 response >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Covid-19 threat. Again, sorry to be insensitive. No one should have died of Covid-19, and everything we can REASONABLY do to zero those deaths should be done.
M. TheRadishSaltant, you are one of the most well-spoken and knowledgable posters I have ever come across. Of course the 6% figure is wildly inaccurate, but I think you help occlude the more important, and relatively unknown, truth.
There are several reports where motorcycle accidents and such were counted as covid deaths. Even leftist rag USAToday confirmed that hospitals get $39000 for every patient who got put on ventilator.
Nobody is saying COVID isn't killing people. What we are saying is that the numbers aren't being reported correctly.
Trump was guilty of optimism bias, but so were a lot of others. I recall many headlines from early 2020 that stated that the flu was more dangerous than COVID-19. Scientific advice also varied widely and changed regularly with this new viral variant, because it was behaving atypically. Plus, it was probably in the U.S. as early as December. I don't think that any one person could have stopped it. As far as politicization goes, that came from both sides. Kamala Harris stated that she wouldn't trust a vaccine that Trump recommended. Remember that? https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/kamala-harris-says-she-wouldnt-trust-a-vaccine-trump-recommended/ar-BB19O9k4
Yes. Pushing an agenda, as Trump is not a sunny kinda guy.
If Trump had not politicized the virus and the wearing of masks and the promotion of drugs/methods that don't work, fewer people would have died. We could have recovered sooner had we coordinated instead of separated.
BlueAnon.
But you just said in your previous comments to listen to scientists and the scientists like Fauci and WHO and Surgeon General were all telling specifically "Masks don't work" and "covid does not spread from human to human transmission".
Amount of mental gymnastics you TDS folks can do is outstanding.
Andrew Cuomo is responsible for more deaths personally than any other politician in America but the Dems. want to keep shouting Trump! Trump! hoping we will forget his criminal orders and possible pay off by the HC. industry. This administration and its' Party officials are money grubbing creeps and budding little dictators.
All pols politicized this novel coronavirus...it was universally feared (new and highly variable) and fear can be a powerful tool...the science was too complex for our President (and many worldwide) and the densely populated, aged, obese and asthmatic citizens were immediately threatened...what's a leader to do? Epidemiologists skipped protocols that were too bogged down in governmental red tape just to test for the virus's presence...and now humans are relying on a course of treatment that most likely is safe...What is certain is that the U.S. went slightly rogue and survived better than many -- despite our political and media fireworks....
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Wow, that you really believe that is, well, not surprising.
I agree. Trump did his usual shtick of brushing something aside (though fears of creating a panic are worth considering, but whether he would consider that.. maybe his advisors did.) And our understanding of the virus was changing often. That does not mean however that there was not some manufacturing going on within the media landscape around the virus though. Even though the promoted experts said one thing, the media would insist on another. Likely for political reasons or because some were told to. I dont imagine any mustache twirling villains or deeply seeded conspiracies, just people with similar agendas doing their part that works well with what others are doing toward the same ends. Communication isn't even necessary for some things.
"Had Trump..."
Imagine thinking the state can save you and then complaining about lack of wisdom from others.
Thanks for the laugh, Nancy! You fucking retard.
Nancy wants you to listen to scientists - scientists like Fauci and WHO who said masks don't work and there's no human to human transmission.
Thank you, Phisto.
Always happy to help someone find enlightenment.
"Had Trump taken the pandemic seriously & not politicized it..."
That option was never on the table. Almost every aspect of the response has been politicized, by Trump, by those attacking Trump, by the Democratic governors, by Fauci, by the media, by local mayors picking the businesses or activities they prefer over the ones they don't, by people against masks, people for masks, people against masks before they were for them, etc. Almost none of the response has been rational, whether by those under-reacting, those over-reacting, or those who simply thought it was a dandy time to go on a bender. Trump can hardly be singled out for that and may-- frighteningly enough-- have been less irrational than most. As has been pointed out by others on this thread, Trump was being simultaneously called a fascist dictator and criticized for +not becoming+ a fascist dictator in response to the pandemic, often by the very same people. That's just a bit 'odd', don't you think?
America's enemies were showing how much they feared Trump
175,000 dead so far under Biden. I have yet to hear a Conservative so despicable that they would stoop to blaming Chairman Joe for those Covid deaths. And thereon lies the difference
The differences are vast. The Biden Admin is working to eradicate the virus.
C’mon. This is really Jen Psaki, right?
as YOU prove Gruber's point about dems ......
Hi Nancy, I'm also pretty disappointed with the COVID-denial (or at least diminishment) among Greenwald's readers, who I'm probably politically aligned with on most things. But I also think blaming the crisis on Trump to the extent that you do is not helpful either. I believe any Dem administration would have had a similar response - and protected their rich friends like any Republican pol - albeit without the idiotic speeches and tweets. Just look at Cuomo legally shielding the nursing home execs while implementing a policy that killed thousands of elderly people. The root issues are our byzantine bureaucracy of pharmaceutical companies, bought-out political system, for-profit healthcare system, and an economy in which most people CANNOT stay home from work or they will risk financial insolvency and in some cases hunger. No one in the federal government is willing to tackle those issues right now. We also have the most transient population on Earth, which makes things even more difficult. There are a few actions a President could have taken without Congress (which was half-Democrat and never proposed a real solution, and in fact transferred a ridiculous amount of wealth upwards), but the only things that could have significantly helped in my opinion were absolute, but brief, shutdown at the start, constant and free testing, and recurring checks, none of which the corporate-owned parties would have done. Fauci's missteps and the CDC's overall incompetence is also independent of parties; for example, at-home self-testing kits, which were sent out for free in many countries that did better, were banned explicitly by the CDC for their 90% accuracy and implicitly due to pressure from pharma.
I agree with much of what you said and am not going to nit-pick the points in disagreement. I will stress, however, that no other president, living or dead, would have politicized mask wearing to the detriment of the health of the nation. Nor would he have denigrated science to the extent that he did. Nor would he have sidelined the *experts* in order to get in front of a camera. If I am wrong, who?
I disagree about the mask politicization. General American attitudes (and I hate to say it, entitlement) plus Fauci's flip-flop guaranteed masks would be a political issue. Trump, for all his incompetence, was occasionally a smart political actor, and took up the mask cause to pander to his base. But it was already an issue for his base before he leaned into it. I think definitely Reagan and probably Bush Jr. would've done the same thing, or been advised to do the same by Cheney, whatever BS decorum talking points he spews nowadays.
Fuck whomever the president was. Their mere act of running for the office should make any rational human being question their judgement and moral bearing.
Presidents and wanna be Presidents are horrible people to the letter. That’s what you don’t get.
and Gruber luvs YOU
I accept most of this, and you seem to agree with my point that it is not helpful to blame Trump so heavily, as it obscures larger problems with our systems.
ahhh ............ a ccp supported index ............ sweet
Pick up newspaper? Which one--New York Times, USA Today, the GUARDIAN? Where do you get all your truthiness?!
Any newspaper which agrees with the narrative! But not the ones which don't agree with the narrative! And that's how we end up with going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
You love being lied to.
The Trump bit is a gross over-reach. Please note that Europe, where Trump held little sway, was also subject to the pandemic and the attendant governmental incompetent response. Also , does it occur to you that this bug mutates into more dangerous forms and there is no reason to believe that any governmental response was going to defeat Mother Nature's Way and make the bug disappear.
Blame game is for the weak. We are not a nation that can handle the pandemic. If we were, we would have. So a single person, Trump, had that much power and influence to affect the entire reaction to the pandemic. Pandemics cannot be stopped, cannot be minimized. Come into reality where life is complex.
Which cohort refused and protested masks?
Which cohort is refusing vaccines?
which cohort needs new kneepads?
Had Xi not used it....
I meant *millions of infections.*
Tell the 570,000+ families that we will have performed so well.
Pre-vaccinations, Andreas.
Anybody who listened to any news last year would know that Trump did not lead on the Coronavirus. What about what he did prior to January 2020? I do not care how much you love or admire or respect the man, he did not lead this country through the worst pandemic in 100+ years.
Re: that 570k number. This is the first time in history that a cause of death is simply "dies with" instead of "death caused by". Crazy shit...
Yikes. You can't appeal to some authority with US corporate news. They showed their hand the past 5 years. Especially for reporting on Trump.
Did you really just say "anybody who listened to any news last year" like that's some valid backup for your claims?
I hate my PM Trudeau and even the fake conservative Doug Ford. But I don't blame them for every death. To do so would make me stupid like Nancy.
You are right!
Schumer and Biden were correct when they accused President Trump of xenophobia when he stopped travel from China in January 2020!
The Democrats were right when they said that no vaccine would be available until at least April 2021!
The Democrats were right when they said that needed equipment was not being made available! And President Trump was evil, for example, by sending fully staffed naval medical ships to NY and LA faster than expected!
The Democrats were right when they attacked President Trump for reporting that HCQ was a useful treatment, saying that we shouldn't trust the scientific research reports that Trump was referring to!
All of these evil science-based actions by President Trump were repulsive!!! And the responses by the beloved Democrats were wonderful!!!
There are no shortage of "patriots" trying to polish Trump's record with lies of competence on Trump's side, which, of course, NEVER happened. The man could not organize a two car parade. But his Troops and cadres of "apologists" are "grooming" him for 2024, and writing *only for the benefit of those who were NOT paying attention the FIRST time this Bozo was POTUS.
The plan will be the constant "drip ... drip ... drip... of Chinese Water Torture for the next four years. Lies refuting the fact that this mentally and emotionally damaged human being called Trump was *anything but an illusionist and a con man from the first day he came floating down the escalator (because he is terrified of stairs, germs, and common sense) screaming about rapist immigrants and promising walls that never went up in any significant amounts, no matter how much money Trump "liberated" from the Defense Budget to build them.
Keep up the good work, Nancy. You have value as one who SAW the truth, no matter how many "soft minds" want to see Trump the golfing lump as the second coming of Christ.
Please tell us what he should have done, please. This information could really help us in the future. We're waiting. And in FL were we opened up very early vs lockdown states is right in the middle statistically and has lower deaths per capita that most lockdown states with a much higher elderly per capita population.
Guess how India is doing now vs last year? You think India, China, Russia reports real accurate numbers? You can't possibly be this blind.
The fact that you can't understand what was said is amazing.
"Pandemic - a manufactured crisis." Pretty much true. There was a mostly logical reaction early on, but as more and more data came in, the "follow the science" crowd moved way away from the data and more towards control and directions that had nothing to do with science. And look where we are today. The government won't even let you walk around without a mask if you've been vaccinated. Where's the science, or even the logic, in that?
"Mostly solved before he took office" - again, pretty much correct. Without Warp Speed, Biden wouldn't be able to think about taking credit for getting vaccines out because there wouldn't have been any. I doubt Biden would have had the guts to loosen restrictions on testing end to fast track development of a vaccine. In fact, I'm sure he'd have been happy if it was extended. Why do I think that? Because they are extending it today by saying you will not get back to normal until those nasty Trumpers all get vaccinated.
"Economy only bad because of government overreach" - why else is it bad? It was great before the pandemic. Trump would have sailed to a 2nd term most likely if it wasn't for the pandemic. The economy was flying. You think Covid caused the economy to tank? Didn't realize a virus had that power. No, it was government overreach. It was the government shutting down businesses, mostly small ones, randomly (choosing who could and couldn't stay open with very little science behind that), scaring the bejesus out of people to the point where Biden voters think the death rate is 10-50x the reality, and telling everyone, even if they weren't in any danger, to stay home for way longer than they should have.
Your lack of basic understanding of reality is troubling. You should seek some counseling.
The inability of so many people to differentiate between, “all the restaurants closed because of the pandemic” and “all the restaurants closed because of pandemic-justified measures” is really kinda terrifying to me.
So many people automatically assume, “oh so you think the virus is fake, you’re one of THEM,” If you identify the crisis as a manufactured result of hysterical panic, fear-driven edicts, and no small amount of opportunism by people who think the world is theirs to control.
Had our 2017 - 2021 government performed even marginally, as evidenced by a functioning pol, it wouldn't have gotten so bad.
The ways to control it were really quite simple: wear a mask (properly), physically distance, and wash your hands (when warranted).
People were dying tragically and alone.
People were afraid to go out and work or consume.
Not so one sided, is it?
People were dying tragically because the Chinese released a virus upon the world and hid all the facts they knew about that virus. People died because some Governors thought it would be smart to put Covid patients into nursing homes versus immediately protecting the elderly as soon as we realized they were by far the most vulnerable. Reminder for the slower people out there - all the Covid rules and enforcements were done at local and state levels. The Feds had little to do with how States and local counties operated. The data does not lie. Top of the list for worst death rates per 100K - top 4 are all Blue states. So, let's get real about the efficacy of draconian measures and masks and distancing. Using a butcher knife when a surgical tool would have sufficed is what happened in most of the Blue states.
People were afraid because the mainstream media and liberal Democrat morons spread lies and hyped up Covid to the point where Biden voters had no idea of what was going on. You should check this out - seems like a rather balanced approach to seeing who's actually informed and knowledgeable (https://www.justfacts.com/news_2020_survey_voter_knowledge#results). It was also a combination of stupidity and a willingness of liberals to be lead around by the nose by the government. They are so unsure of themselves that they need Joe Biden and Kamala to tell them how to think, what to do, and when to do it. It's quite sad. We are literally turning into a nanny state.
The sad fact is, if the Covid had hit us 20 years ago, we would have been given the facts, some guidance from the government that would have said, if you're old, or fact, or you have these pre-existing conditions, stay indoors, mask up and social distance. Everyone else, wear a mask if you want, social distance if you want, but follow normal hygienic procedures - wash your hands, don't touch your face and stay home if you feel ill. We used to be a tougher people. We used to value our liberties. We used to not trust the government. Today, we're a bunch of snowflakes, we give up liberty for safety and we love to have the warm embrace of the government all around us.
Benjamin Franklin, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
THESE WORDS WILL HAUNT YOU A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW if we continue on our current radical course.
On one hand I think: 20 years ago was 2001, when people gave up countless freedoms and accepted an exponentially more suspicious & myopic worldview because they got scared/angry after 9/11.
On the other hand though, I think you might be right — social media outrage/fear factories weren’t on full blast and people were FAR less hooked to their devices. Hell, even 10 years ago the policy recommendations for influenza pandemic preparedness don’t go anywhere near the draconian biosecurity state measures that so many people were begging governments & corporations to implement a year ago:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/213717/dh_131040.pdf
I think ultimately if the death counts ever become honest reflections of the lethality of the virus, mortality/lifespans will still be better than they were as recently as like 1990. People certainly used to be a lot tougher and less willing to cede control of their lives to such unaccountable entities.
However I also wouldn’t bank on many people actual realizing/caring about what they’ve given up & enabled in the name of safety. It still feels like it falls on deaf ears to mention the numerous losses of civil rights/liberties & overall assaults on human dignity as a result of the world’s reaction to 9/11.
Totally agree. Honestly, I think if you just treat people like adults and allow them to determine their own risk tolerance instead of imposing draconian rules universally, I think you'd find that we'd find a good equilibrium amongst ourselves and there would have probably been similar deaths but less economic damage. We certainly would have damaged our children less and schools would have been open a lot sooner. Let people figure things out themselves - believe me, they'll do it quicker and better than the government ever will.
It's good to see your strong criticism of Dr Fauci! He kept changing his mind on these things, especially on wearing masks. As late as July he was personally showing that wearing masks was not needed (and that social distancing was not necessary).
And obviously you are also clearly criticizing the CDC and FDA, which continually put obstacles in the way of making progress. The CDC's bad tests and their prevention of the use of a test developed in Seattle, and the FDA's restrictions on use of HCQ to only on hospitalized patients (the exact opposite of the science, which finally in October the various agencies and the AMA agreed was correct) are examples.
President Trump certainly did an excellent job! He got equipment out fast and vaccines in record time, thanks to his experience in working with organizations and getting them to collaborate.
The virus is going through the population one way or another. This has been certain the entire time we've had testing for it. Lockdowns kill people but don't stop the virus.
or, perhaps, it speaks to your lack of knowledge. Yes, the pandemic "crisis" was manufactured. After the initial panic, reasonable voices and data indicated this was not anywhere close to as bad as predicted, and that we only needed to focus on "at risk individuals". But it was too late, politicians understood there was power to be gained and weren't about to let this go to waste. So they manufactured a crisis where there was none. As a result of the power they usurped in responding to their manufactured crisis, they shut down the economy - nearly completely. Without this government overreach, the economy would have never has gotten as bad as it did. But this was intended - tank the economy prior to the election, so President Biden could claim credit for the natural rebound.
One great piece of evidence: response to Trumps suggestion that HCQ may work in conjunction with Zithro. Since "orange man bad" said it, everyone went nuts claiming "people will die!!!". Guess what, right after the election, the AMA said - HCA and Zithro do work. So, untold hundreds of thousands died because of the politicization, by Dems and the left, of the virus and the deferral of treatment created more artificial panic and worsened the lock down. And they knew it; this was intentional. But the Dems were desperate to do anything they could to unseat Trump.
I am sure people are not fleeing California and New York to Florida and Texas because they love the tyrannical government overreach which has destroyed their economies. Good lord, how can you be an adult on the internet while spouting such nonsense.
69-6 currently, M. Nancy. Shall we start calling ourselves the Know-Nothings?
Well put!!
You saved me the trouble. Thank you. This is all propaganda spin worthy of Russia or China. It's like they're not even pretending anymore. They just dare us not to swallow it.
Very perceptive of you :)
This is what I think the entire thing has been about. Being able to print enough cash to paper over (again) the problems the financial system is having. The world's biggest bailout but nobody can see it.
There is one fact about January 6th that renders all the outrage bullshit, and I can't believe it gets so little attention. That fact: some of the Capitol Police let the protesters in.
Unpack that. Imagine ANY protest that might happen at the Capitol -- BLM, anti-war, pro-Trump, climate change, etc. -- and ask yourself what would happen if the police stepped aside and said "come on in!"
Some people would go in. Always.
There you have it. This one fact, that police INVITED people to come in, is both necessary and sufficient to create a so-called "insurrection." It would lead to the outcome we saw every time, with every protest, for any passionate cause.
Now if protesters came in with guns and started shooting police or members of Congress, then you would not have the conditions necessary and sufficient to create THAT outcome. But that didn't happen. What did happen would happen in any similar case. People running around, cheering, and generally not knowing what to do with themselves. And eventually leaving or getting arrested.
In short, this was MANUFACTURED. The police hold 100% responsibility for the fact that the Capitol was overrun by a handful of protesters from a large group of protesters who decided to take the police up on their invite. Their actions created the basis for sweeping narrative change, new security protocols, and novel legislation on domestic terrorism that we know was already being considered in the background, just waiting for a casus belli.
This begs the question: did anyone who wanted this justification have any role in the Capitol Police decision to invite in the rabble?
Anyone who was paying attention saw video of security personnel removing the stanchions, and more security personnel right behind that person waving everyone in. That doesn't get them inside though. But, if you're modestly diligent, you've seen the video of security personnel opening the capital doors. You are 100% correct: This was an utterly manufactured narrative.
By the way, most of these videos have been removed from YouTube because they violate their Terms of Use, to wit: Paragraph 17(e)(4)(i) 'Any real-life depiction that undercuts our favored narrative will be removed from the Platform.'
Who shot Ashli Babbitt?
I read her family plans to sue, so one day we will learn.
They will settle out of court and have to sign NDAs.
If that happens, I would be disappointed in her family. Hopefully not.
"There is no amount of money you can give me to make me settle this case" - James O'Keefe, 2021.
When they file suit it is very likely we will learn the id of the cop. Filings in a legal action are public record. So even if a later settlement includes an NDA it won't stop the public from learning his name.
I wonder if they themselves know the identity of the cop. And if they do, it speaks volumes to their character that they haven't made it public as compared to ambulance chasers of criminals like Floyd, Jacob Blake, Rayshard Brooks etc.
In addition, the "riot" occurred just as objections to the election results were beginning to be presented to congress, how convenient. I'm sure you notice how they didn't go back and restart that meeting so that those objections could be presented.
Starting to wonder whether the two Cap police who committed suicide shortly after January 6 had any help.
Arkanacide...
Hmm. Would be interesting to know where they were stationed.
Maybe near the phones :)
I wonder how the invitation by some of the Capitol police will play out in regards to the the charges being pursued against the people involved in the events at the Capitol.
Good question. The police would have apparent authority to let people in; ergo no trespassing.
For the sake of the Republic I hope someone will run on the shredding of The Patriot Act. War criminals have no place in government.
The ole invite a vampire in rule is valid in this situation
There are even videos where the capitol police lets the people in without any effort to stop them and cops are heard saying "I don't agree with them but I respect them."
The entire speech was riddled with lies. Perhaps not coincidently, the Bezos news daily, err, sorry, the Washington Post, signaled that they would not be fact-checking Joe Biden. Apparently his honesty is too great for words. We are entering a very dangerous time for our democracy where all of the major cultural institutions, corporate media at their head, have united to eradicate conservative thought from the public square.
So bizarre because Biden has been known as a serial liar/plagiarizer his whole life!
Boy, no kidding! What's worrisome is that they're not making the slightest attempt to cover up what they're doing. They feel emboldened and are not in the slightest bit afraid of the consequences.
Because 75% of democrats are buying up the propaganda:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/321116/americans-remain-distrustful-mass-media.aspx
The only ammo is the slow redpilling of each major falsehood that becomes clear enough to point people to. You can say to people now "they lied to you about Sicknick", "they lied to you about Hunter's laptop". This one is harder but if you work at it. You can use the WaPo fact checks that actually end up honest to chip away, as well. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-falsely-claims-the-new-georgia-law-e2-80-98ends-voting-hours-early-e2-80-99/ar-BB1f6FoZ
It's all so tiresome though. I have friends who don't even know about Hunter's laptop because they think it is legit russian disinformation. I can show them nudes of Hunter and they still won't believe it. And these are not dumb people - they are quite intelligent in their own other fields. But when it comes to politics, it's complete brain wash. But I guess propaganda is strong too.
Now you can show them Hunter on camera admitting it could be his, plus reporting that FBI officially doesn't consider it Russian disinfo.
friends?
But they fact checked Tim Scott's family history to reveal that his grandfather didn't drop out of school in the third grade to pick cotton, like Scott claimed, it was in the FOURTH grade, you see, "and ["for all we know" being the implication] may have been a common stopping point for schooling in those days".
Wait did this really happen about the fact check? I don’t follow establishment news much and not a fan of Tim Scott myself but this fact check sounds something out of babylonbee.
Yes, it's Kessler's fact check column April 23. RealClearPolitics and Federalist decried it, Sun-Times op-ed went on offensive saying "Tim Scott" can't stand being fact-checked. It is pretty rich to fact check him in that manner, because, (along the lines of the similar saying on some thing maybe stupid but def not smart) "I don't know if it's racist, but it ain't antiracist".
I thought this was a joke until I saw Jimmy Dore segment on WaPo stopping fact checks:
https://youtu.be/SN3mRDaM7_E
Nope, no joke. Anyone still subscribing after that needs to have their head examined!
ie ........ dem voters
I'm surprised you left out the massive riots over many months prior to the January 6th riot where billions in damage were done as cities burned and dozens were killed. And why did you particularly not find it fit to mention the riots at Lafayette Park which forced the secret service to move the President to a bunker. Dozens of Secret Service Agents and security men were injured. Why is that attack on the White House a lesser transgression than breaking into the Capitol Building during an out of control protest? And, in addition to Officer Sicknick's media murder fantasy, I find it outrageous that Ashlii Barrett's murderer was never even been charged with a crime for shooting an unarmed woman in the neck at point blank range, a woman who was on the other side of a wall where there were tons of other options available to prevent her ingress. Why is that not an outrage? Why have dozens of non-violent trespassers from January 6th been held in solitary confinement and without opportunity for bail? Why have their attempts to raise bail money been blocked by Big Tech? Why are people who supported the protest in DC being arrested, persecuted and censored? Why were Rudy Guiliani's electronic devices taken by the FBI as clear political retaliation for him digging up dirt on Hunter Biden? What kind of totalitarian, tyrannical dystopian nightmare are we living in? Is this the end for America?
I'll give him a pass on not mention the events your write of. Why? Because Biden's statement is so idiotic and patently false that we could all spend a week making a list of attacks on our Democracy since the civil war that were worse. I've read many since yesterday. Here's a few, together with some I've thought of: Pearl Harbor, 12-7-1941; weather underground bombing the capitol; bombing the federal building in OK City, attempted assassination of GOP lawmakers practicing for a baseball game by a Bernie supporter; Puerto Rican militants bombing a NY tavern. Those are off the top of my head.
There was no insurrection. No one used deadly force except a cop, and no one was armed with deadly weapons except the cops. The vast majority of charges are for misdemeanor trespass. Were they wrong to storm the capitol building, and commit vandalism? Sure. But the Dem bootstapping the event to attempt to potentially create a whole new regime to combat "domestic terrorism" is the REAL threat to democracy.
the fact that we are replying to these sacks of shit who are falling on their fainting couches is the issue in and of itself. Every time one of their lies is taken down, they come up with one to ten more.
We didn't even get to know the name of the cop who short Ashlii. If she was not a trump supporter, cities would have been burnt by BLM.
They did finally release the name with a judgement that they could not charge him with any crime.
Did they actually release the name?? All I found on news was they don't charge them.
The “worst attack” on our democracy actually was January 6th, but it wasn’t caused by the mob OUTSIDE the capitol... it was caused by the “political gangsters” inside the Capitol, who using the events of that day as a rouse to investigate and punish their political opponents...
See today’s DOJ announcement on “white supremacy” as domestic terrorists... they all happen to be Trump voters and the FBI raid on another one of Trump’s lawyers. Name another politician/change agent the Deep State has gone after harder than Trump.
Maybe Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva...
These are marxists in Action...and they want blood, not justice...
There are not Marxists but corporatists. They are not doing those things for class war but rather to protect the establishment. As long as Americans are as uneducated as you, nothing will change. This is what happens when moronic electorate keep electing corrupts scum. When you try to remove the corrupt, they are too powerful and electorate is too stupid.
The marxist concepts are basically being exploited by the establishment to divide and conquer. The "leaders" of the useful idiot "progressives" need as many oppressor-oppressed relationships to divide and conquer the people. So originally, marxism was based on ruling class oppressing the people. But the "leaders" figured out they could take it a step further by creating artificial oppressor-oppressed groups based on race, sex, ethnicity, sexual orientation and what not. Divide and conquer has been used for centuries to retain power because as long as the people keep fighting each other over things like race, sex etc, they ignore the real enemy - the establishment politicians and elites.
I would recommend reading this:
https://americanmind.org/features/the-racial-marxism-of-blm/the-plot-to-change-america/
> How Marxist ideologues took over our culture. The Plot to Change America: How Identity Politics Is Dividing The Land of The Free: cultural marxism: Before Gramsci, Marcuse, Millett, and the rest, there were, of course, Marx and Engels. But seeing everything through the lens of economics and property produced blind spots for Marx and Engels and their followers, notably the role that race and ethnicity could play (and would go on to play) in the revolution to overthrow the ruling class.
Completely agree with you on the first section and the problem is that idiots can't see what is being done and are pulled into BS fights like gay marriage, trans right, race issues and such. I am progressive and I agree with all those struggles but to me the most important issues is class warfare. No individual should have more then 10 mil, everything above this should be taxed at 100%. I don't believe that humanity has future if this continues and violent backlash is inevitable.
Lol. Who are you to demand someone else's work product? Who made you God? You have no right to take what belongs to another.
I myself might not have that power, but it will come a time that majority will agree with me. Also its not their work product, but more likely their stolen product. No wealth of that size can be earned legally, so easy come easy go. They will either give it up, which is highly unlikely or there will be blood and muppets like you will not be able to stop it. Give it more time, chickens are going to come home to roost at some point.
Right. You want to take other people's property at the point of a gun. Move to Venezuela. You'll fit right in. Lol.
So you are a communist insurgent, opposed to the Constitution and the freedom that America offers. You believe in actual theft- stealing the wealth of others to distribute to people who do nothing for it. If there is real large scale violence in this country, people Ike you will be the ones who suffer. There are tens of millions of armed Americans who believe in this country, and not the communist ideal. They are angry an just waiting for an excuse. I am a NY liberal, but I have lots of legal weapons and no one who comes for me or my family will enjoy the experience. We spent decades in school and then rising at 6 and to bed at midnight to earn what we have. You come to take it, you’re going first.
Sorry dude. You ever read about what happened to Kulaks right?
You will enjoy this change my mind segment (ignore the video title):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YN8msXJIE8
Not sure if I agree with the 100% taxation, but do you really think that someone can work so hard that they deserve more than 100 times the money that a blue-collar factory worker makes? Do you think these bankers give 100 times more value to society? Is rearranging numbers on spreadsheets, gambling, and getting an advanced degree really what we want to value most.
Right. Ask the people in Cuba and North Korea how your plan works out. You want a government authority to dictate what you are worth. The countries that have tried that have failed to improve the living standard. Every single one. 93% of the people of Venezuela now live in poverty. The average Venezuelan has lost about 23 lbs. from lack of food. 10% of the population of North Korea is in labor camps. If you don't want to be a banker, then start your own company. Hire workers and pay them whatever you want. We still have the liberty to do that. But instead, you want to take the property of other entrepreneurs. You want North Korea. Move there.
Disagree. The baseline of the "democrat" party is identity politics i.e. class warfare. Every Democrat identity is "oppressed". Now the democrats want government enforced "equity". That's straight from Das Kapital and its evil, magical thinking.
Who cares what they're called?
Fuck 'em.
I wish the Bernie policy advocates would once read up on the fact that Scandinavian countries do the exact opposite of what Bernie policy wants- they have the lowest corporate income tax of 25% and super high personal income tax of 60% for anyone making 1.3x average salary plus 25% sales tax on everything. Plus hey are homogenous low population without illegal immigration and even harder legal immigration. Bernie claims to want Scandinavian utopia while using opposite policies. That’s how you know Bernie is a fraud or simply ignorant.
As for Warren, anyone who trusts a single thing from her mouth after her Native American scam and GameStop sham is a fucking moron who deserves to lose money for being willfully blind.
Raising taxes never leads to tax revenue growth. Ever.
"Marxists" lol. No.
Biden makes Trump look truly honest.
Biden's *teleprompter* makes Trump look honest. Biden the man is an irrelevant sack of bones.
The corporate media's drooling over Bidens "honestly" is enough to make me lose my lunch. Hes been lying for 50 years, so he ain't gonna stop now.
Biden is now getting FDA to ban menthol cigarettes - something which 86% of blacks and 46% of hispanics prefer. Just like the war on drugs from 1980s and 90s, he's gonna end up putting more blacks in prison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bVIwi6ElGs
Not to mention the war on guns.
lmao - And more than a few in the dirt, I'm sure.
I don't think that enough people understand that ultimately, all laws are backed up with guns. If you don't want to have people with guns shoot those who want to get high, don't make it illegal to get high. As long as there is a war on drugs, there will be casualties in that war. And the more things you declare a war on, the higher the body count will go.
All law *enforcement* is backed up with guns. I haven't seen anyone in my neighborhood, nor anyone in my broader acquaintance, ever have marijuana laws enforced against them.
Makes you wonder what the scam is, doesn’t it?
Totally agree. Force is the tie that binds.
And creating no-fly-lists for people not charged with any crime is likely unconstitutional and probably illegal.
Given the lack of any process to have your name removed from the list, and the lack of transparency on why names are added, there is no question its unconstitutional. The right to travel within the US is a recognize privilege of citizenship. The govt taking that right without due process violates the constitution. Someday a court will have the balls to make that finding.
unconstitutional lol. Who will decide? SCOTUS? Supreme Cowards of the United States who didn't find standing for Trump in his election lawsuits?
Whether any court has the courage to stand up does not alter the fact it is unconstitutional. It will one day be resolved in the courts. Failing to continue working to that end is throwing in the towel.
Constitution? What Constitution? We don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution.
Let’s all pray your statement proves true... or it’s “game, set, match...”
You left out one of the biggest: Joe Biden promising to withdraw billions in loan guarantees from Ukraine unless a prosecutor who was investigating his son's company was fired. This one has been hiding in plain sight for anyone to see -- long before Trump ever asked Ukraine to look into it. It's right there on the Council of Foreign Relations video, where Joe Biden brags about doing exactly what I've described. And, now what is this criminal doing? He's further weaponizing the DOJ to go after Rudy Giuliani. Why? Because Giuliani had the audacity to start turning over these rocks. If you're looking for the biggest threat to our Democracy, you'll find it at the DOJ.
I'm so thankful for this comprehensive, well reasoned rebuttal to an almost astonishing attempt to continue to divide rather than unite Americans. No one can or should deny that the Jan. 6 overrun of the capitol was a disturbing, alarming, sad, and embarrassing event. But the "worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War?" Ridiculous, seemingly intentionally divisive, and completely false.
>No one can or should deny that the Jan. 6 overrun of the capitol was a disturbing, alarming, sad, and embarrassing event.
It was a political demonstration. Nothing more, nothing less. Quit mischaracterizing it.
We've had a lot of those in the past year, and in fact this one was remarkably peaceful compared to many of the others.
Embarrassing because it was a laughable event. The riots of 2020 were far, far worse. It was alarming only because the Capitol Police seemed to invite it (maybe that was part of the plan). Disturbing because I would have hoped if someone was serious about a riot, they would have planned and executed it at least as well as the folks who ran "the summer of love" did. Those riots were, operationally, pretty well done. Lot's of planning, staging, coordination - gotta give em credit.
There is, of course, another major and historic crime in progress in which both Joe Biden but also Jim Acosta types, play a leading role.
Despite of Glenn’s, Aaron’s, Max’s and Matt's and of many others' years of debunking, the scam of the century – the Russia-gate hoax, now in its 5th-year and ongoing -- that major crime is not even is not even acknowledged yet since its major players (Biden, Pelosi, Schumer) sits in power. Now that incompetent and dangerous Trump is gone it will be addressed – hopefully very fast. The suspense is:
WHO will be the first current or former Democrat Congresswoman/man or Senator to publicly acknowledge and confirm the scam of the century -- the Russia-gate conspiracy – concocted by Hillary-Obama-Biden? There is no possibility of "unity and healing" in the US until that.
Most of "our" representatives are millionaires, some even billionaires, especially among “hidden” but controlling DNC oligarchs – some might be tempted to confirm the obvious truth, many of their family members or close friends or lovers might provide detailed testimonies, etc.
My personal hope is that heroic Tulsi Gabbard might state it, now that despicable Trump has defeated himself and is gone. Her brilliant and epic response after Hillary criminally called her -- “Russia’s asset” is still ringing in my ears:
“Great! Thank you @HillaryClinton . You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know — it was always you, through your proxies and powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine, afraid of the threat I pose. It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly”.
By far the highest interest of Biden government and its oligarch cabal is that Russia-gate immense hoax – the scam of the century -- will NOT / will NEVER be fully exposed. The entire anti-Russian fairytale is a deliberate fabrication -- the worst scam in US history is DNC/CIA Russia-gate hoax. They lost to a TV host and instead of reflection, they latched onto a moronic conspiracy theory -- this includes the completely (proven) false accusations that Russia gave WikiLeaks Hillary's emails (hence the TOTAL silence on Assange persecution and torture). The publisher of our century and the leading free speech advocate, Julian Assange must be silenced -- ALL the plotters/players agree...
There has been collusion between media, Democrat party, Hi-Tech companies and the deep state (CIA, FBI, NSA) for now five years. The Russia-gate hoax and impeachment “entertainments” were concocted by Obama, Hillary, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jamie Raskin, etc. and their intelligence and DNC executives on behalf of their Wall Street and military industry donors. That lying war-mongering team is now back in power – note that Kamala Harris (and her sister) and Neera Tanden are Hillary's protégés; Pete Buttigieg was promptly rewarded for his role of election theft in Iowa, etc.
Remember, Clapper, Brennan & Hayden trio were among Obama's 50 intelligence officials stating that Hunter-laptop is -- a classical “Russian disinformation”.
-- They were also key promoters of the by now five-year Russia-gate hoax.
-- They were also key intelligence executives in Obama/Biden/Hillary government – the government which hunted Snowden (forcing Bolivian plane with Bolivia’s president to land to search it) and armed Al Qaeda (including brazen “white helmets” hoax) and staged ALL chemical attacks in Syria to remove its government.
When asked about Hunter's corruption laptops - Pelosi brazenly stated "All roads lead to Putin"; commenting on Capitol invasion Schumer said - "worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11"...
Lying Russia-gate team is fully back in power and working at full speed -- massive censorship is mandatory for them to preserve power..
WHO among Democrat politicians will be the first whistleblower, demolish the silence and misinformation barrier, and confirm what most of the population already knows for years -- the Russia-gate hoax is the largest crime against democracy in the US..
Well said. It will never be admitted, and the first person to speak up will be the first to get hammered from every angle by the press, Democrats, and "retired" spooks on CNN. (They never really retire, do they?)
It really blows my mind how many people still thoroughly buy into the Russia fear-mongering and Trump-Putin collusion frame-job. The great irony here is that this scam did exactly what its proponents warned us Putin was trying to do: it sowed division and chaos. What the hell did they think would happen to a country with only two (viable) political parties when they convinced tens of millions of people that one side of the aisle supports an illegitimate POTUS guilty of treason?
Another bit of irony was in a clip from Hillary Clinton's podcast (that string of words simply shouldn't exist) on which she and Nancy Pelosi mused about seeing the phone records of the White House that day - speculating that Putin must have called Trump and told him to encourage the Jan. 6th riot. I'd bet my last dollar that neither Pelosi or any other Democrat reflected on the damage they might have caused to the faith in our electoral process.
Remember, it wasn't QAnon or Fox or Newsmax or Russia who first questioned our electoral integrity. It was the Democratic Party. For one, they openly questioned it. On May 16, 2017, Nancy Pelosi Tweeted "Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts." Note the use of the word "hijacked." Even if you believe all of the nonsense in the intelligence reports, none of it claims that control over the 2016 was completely wrested from our hands by a foreign power, which is exactly what Pelosi implies with her Tweet. This egregious example is just one of many.
Secondly, when you understand what Russiagate really was, it definitely shakes whatever faith in the system you might have left.
Whatever one's opinions are on the integrity of the 2020 election itself, I think one thing is clear: if Russiagate had never happened - if the Democrats had taken the L like adults and actually reflected on how they lost to someone like Trump instead of concocting a dangerous lie to protect their own power and privilege - Trump's claims of election fraud would likely not have seemed nearly as plausible, and January 6th, 2021 would have been a pretty uneventful day.
Thank you -- the Russia-gate criminal hoax is a major issue -- for ALL progressives. It is not only a "conservative" issue -- not at all. GOP has its lunatics but Russia-gate was concocted by Hillary's pro-war extremists.
Demanding an investigation into DNC and Biden-family massive corruption is a major step toward stopping the US War Party
Exactly. We already saw Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein get Russiagated (on a much smaller scale, of course). Not sure how much more proof is needed that - as you say - this is not merely a Conservative issue.
(I meant to write "Not sure how much more proof is needed to prove that - ....")
Yup. Good catch. The FBI/CIA/natsec state, the entire msm and the opposition party all conspiring together to delegitimize (potentially overthrow), sabotage and hamper a democratically elected president based on unsubstantiated bs certainly would be towards the top of MY list of “attacks on democracy” in this country’s history. (And I’m a leftist.)
Always glad to see other Leftists that get this. It's unfortunate that they enlisted so many Progressives in this hoax. They really don't see what's happening, even after Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein were Russiagated (albeit on a much smaller scale).
Thank you Nenad. We need to agitate for freedom and democracy in -- USA. Although near term hopeless -- I believe in multi-party system, unlike current one party with two right wing monopoly.
China raised 800 million of its citizens - from periodic mass starvation into middle class -- an unprecedented success -- while DNC and GOP oligarchs essentially eliminated middle class in the US.
"53K US contractors in the Middle East versus -- for 35K troops" !!! What a lucrative business and worth unlimited donations to both DNC and GOP politicians. Highlighting just that "detail" -- tells it all....
A 1%-er War party with two right (DNC and GOP) wings -- gay marriage, abortion, "woke", and other imposed topics are just distractions to divide 99% of population into "red" and "blue" camps.
But brainwashed US citizen agitate "freeing" China and increasing hate of Moslems, Russians, Chinese, Martians - just to avoid thinking about our own beloved country. 1%-er overlords are playing us like a violin...
Now that incompetent Trump is gone -- will DNC and Biden corruption (Hunter's laptops, Ukraine, China) still remain taboo or not? This is a central issue for all Americans, especially progressives among them. Below is a quote from GG:
“The hysterical Trump-as-despot script was all melodrama, a ploy for profits and ratings, and, most of all, a potent instrument to distract from the neoliberal ideology that gave rise to Trump in the first place by causing so much wreckage. Positing Trump as a grand aberration from U.S. politics and as the prime author of America’s woes — rather than what he was: a perfectly predictable extension of U.S politics and a symptom of preexisting pathologies — enabled those who have so much blood and economic destruction on their hands not only to evade responsibility for what they did, but to rehabilitate themselves as the guardians of freedom and prosperity and, ultimately, catapult themselves back into power. As of January 20, that is exactly where they will reside.”
Glenn Greenwald on authoritarianism in the US – Dec. 28, 2000
Year was - 2020 (my typo)
Here is where you and I differ Boris. We both agree that they are all corrupt. But I am black pilled and don't think anyone will ever be held accountable. Elites are above us.
Thank you - but we need to fight for it, both of us -- "Red" and "blue" serfs
Unfortunately it will have to wait for me mostly because I am Canadian. One day I plan on moving to US though mostly because I love the constitution (something which most politicians don’t seem to value much though).
It is ridiculous. The capital riot was just that - a riot of unruly assholes drunk on Trump's moronic rhetoric. But to refer to it as anything more is laughable ("insurrection!", "attempted coup", etc. - please!).
The worst economy? WTF - have we forgotten 2008?
Thank you for this calm, reasoned appraisal.
It was a riot by a bunch of assholes. They all should get jail time, enough to discourage any repeats.
Only the ones who damage property should. Everyone else should get the same treatment as the anti-kavanaugh protestors got. Heck even the ones who damaged property should get the same free bails by politicians as the 2020 rioters got.
With respect, they all have had nearly four months of jail time already. Any identified are sitting in jail now, and have been since apprehended, with little chance of release soon.
Each person who broke a law should be tried impartially for the actual crimes committed, and sentenced accordingly, with equal treatment in terms of bail and similar lenience.
What should not happen is exactly what IS happening, the use of the non-blind "scales of justice" with a massive thumb on them because these people's views are despised by those in charge.
Foot on Pelosi's desk guy got bail three days ago. So for criminal trespass he served three months. This is not blind justice.
Jim “Abilio” Acosta gets moist every time he gets to say “Insurrection”.
Shouldn't the Oklahoma bombing of federal building in 1995, 168 dead, be part of this list? Or perhaps the list's parameters exclude it.
He tried very had to make himself look good because Lord knows he needs the help very badly. I'll give him credit for a very earnest delivery though. 50 years of pandering and lying gives you mad skills in the areas of deceit.
That's why the SOTU never happened. He needed time to prepare.
Thanks for the superb summary. I feel compelled to assert that your characterization of Trump’s call to Zelensky is simply not accurate, and request that you provide the quotes from the call transcript you think are evidence of quid pro quo.
Let's cut through all the rhetoric, shall we? There was no "insurrection" on January 6th, 2021:the protest was a challenge to the results of the 2020 election, given so many anomalies and unexplained "after hours" shenanigans, that anyone not brainwashed by mainstream media would question. A Capital police officer (who remains unnamed) shot to death an unarmed protester coming through a window: the inside of the Capital rotunda was surrounded by both spectators, law enforcement, and suspected Antifa disguised as Trump supporters.
Those who entered the Capital (save for those already inside of it) did not "storm" the building - they were "waved in" by law enforcement from the outside. This whole affair has "Reichstag Fire" written all over it: how very convenient that following the so-called "siege", the members of Congress decided to overlook the volumes of evidence supporting the idea that our election was manipulated by both inside AND outside actors, and hastily confirmed Joe Biden as POTUS. The MSM told us, in essence, "Screw Gateway Pundit, screw Project Veritas, Screw National File, Mike Lindell, etc, then sold us the whopper of a lie that one of the least popular Presidential tickets in modern history scored a victory over Trump, with numbers that well exceeded that of former POTUS Barack Obama.
The hypocrisy of crying "election interference" in 2016 is more evidence of how gaslighting from the Left leads to a surfeit of misinformation and outright deception. So we're to believe that the only interference happened in 2016, and not in 2020 (heck, or in 2000 for that matter)? Do we delude ourselves further about how US military intelligence has done more than merely interfere in the elections of countries, both Democratically elected, and by executive fiat? Does Grenada, Nicaragua, Argentina or Cuba ring a bell?
Our alleged 'partisanship' is the real threat to Democracy, abetted by those who say that our fundamental liberties (and the Constitution itself) are not 'absolute.' The language may be up for interpretation, but not the message - the Founding Fathers made it very clear why we needed a Bill of Rights and a Constitution to keep our republic from devolving into an oligarchic fiefdom. The conservative/libertarian witchhunt is worse than our remorseful interment of both German and Japanese Americans during wartime. The history currently being written could very well signal the death knell for everything the USA represents, warts and all. That Biden's speech would tacitly and surreptitiously suggest a more toward autocratic rule should send a chill up everyone's spine, regardless of party affiliation
I like how people that say the election was fraudulent always fall back on this idea that Biden simply wasn't popular enough to win. They forget that the main motivating factor throughout this **entire election process** was to beat Trump. That motivation was so overwhelmingly strong that by the time the general election came about, any progressive or leftist who didn't eagerly fall in line behind Biden was told to shut the fuck up. "Now's not the time! We have to beat Trump, THEN we'll hold him accountable." (Of course, many broke that promise and are now praising everything he does.)
The vote for Joe Biden - for probably at least half of the people that voted that way - had nothing to do with Biden at all. They could have put a baked potato on the ballot and people would have voted for it. Why? Because the key motivating factor was getting Trump out.
This theory also completely ignores the pandemic. We could argue all day about whether or not we think Trump's pandemic response was adequate, but there's no denying that a once in a century pandemic is a huge blow to anyone's Presidency.
Biden's win also wasn't the landslide Liberals claim it to be. He barely squeaked by in key states like Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and Wisconsin.
Also, who gives a shit if some people "suspect" Antifa had anything to do with the riots. Millions of people "suspect" Trump is Putin's puppet. Doesn't make it true without evidence, does it?
But President Trump's popularity rating was 52% on November 2 and 49% on November 3, and it was 51% or higher from October 22 to November 2, when much early voting was going on. So they weren't focused on "getting Trump out".
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history
That logic doesn't hold up. Were Trump supporters asleep between 2016-2020? Did they not notice the millions of Liberals (and even some pro-establishment Republicans) frothing at the mouth in an absolute rage over every single thing Trump did down to the last Tweet? I'm pretty sure it was the Right that coined the phrase "Trump Derangement Syndrome," yet suddenly, they don't seem to understand what drove Trump's opposition to the polls.
Millions of Americans loved him, but millions of other Americans fantasized about him being dragged out of the White House in cuffs, and found him to be the single greatest threat to Democracy. You don't have to agree with them, of course, but it is crucial to understand that perspective was very widely held.
It's really not a secret, either. It was plastered all over the pages of the Washington Post, NYT, etc. and constantly filling up airtime. "ORANGE MAN MUST GO," 24/7 for 4 years straight. There was not a shred of approval of anything he did among the "Left" (broadly speaking). They hate him so much he could saved a baby form a burning building and Maddow would probably do a segment about how it must have been a Russian baby or some shit lol.
Again, the so-called "resistance" would vote for absolutely anyone to get Trump out.
Only a matter of time til trolls would infiltrate this Substack account.....we can have a reasonable debate AFTER you've visited Gateway Pundit or Judicial Watch, until then, remain a lemming.