My problem with the conservative moral codes is that forgiveness and unbending good will are missing. They depend on legalities and even scrupulosity, which in my church, are sins, not virtues.
My problem with the conservative moral codes is that forgiveness and unbending good will are missing. They depend on legalities and even scrupulosity, which in my church, are sins, not virtues.
Here's yet another person who confuses or conflates neo-liberals as "the left." -ugh- You guys are innumerable. Get A Damned Clue; "the left" and neo-liberals are TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS and the only one you know anything about are the neo-liberals - the left is a true mystery to the right in the USA as reflected in hundreds - soon to be thousands - of comments under Greenwald articles.
Please tell us, O wise one, what to call peace/justice sorts of people. In my head I call them Shakespeare catholics, because that means inspiration to me. But what do you call them inside your head?
I would answer but I don't know quite what you mean by "peace/justice sorts of people." ... Actions matter. Saying you're for peace and justice and doing something about it are two different things...
The Franciscan sister came here to Savannah to serve the large, majority black population. My friend, Fr. Donnelly got them a high school. One, Sr. Mary Catharine Moore got a social mission going and lived a fearless life. She walked all over, day or night, to help people. I was told if anyone harmed a hair on her head, they would be "gone" by morning. She died peacefully on her porch in the ghetto at 79.
She and others set up a Catholic Worker house for AIDs homeless. It was a lovely haven, with Mass and flowers...nothing of the puritan punishing look. It was such fun.
Did you think I was talking about a panel discussion over the net?
Well, your one example I would say is _clearly_ a person of the left because she helped The People, not the ultra-rich. That's the easiest way to tell who's "left." And, thus, it's super easy to call out the neo-liberals who may claim left status - as I said action matters, and the neo-liberals are hypocrites, saying something that sounds good and doing something else that harms others.
If "the right" wants to claim her, too, well, yall seem to have the same problem we on the left do with badly-intentioned people trying to say they're a part of your group.
I don't think any political ID wants to claim saintly people...they both were criticized by the 'correct' right and ignored by the rest. The Catholic church had scary infiltrators and still does....truly a challenge to step over all the pikes of muck.
Both political parties try for the moral high ground. People forget about the christian coalition back in the early '90's where Republicans had to meet their litmus test in order to back their candidacy. And don't get it twisted that they used racial tactics to divide the country in an effort to incite rage in rural white voters to vote for them (The Southern Strategy) and surpress the black vote since the civil rights/voting rights bill was passed in 1964. The infamous Willie Horton ad was the most disgusting one that was approved by Lee Atwater who was none other than 41's campagain manager back in 1988. So both parties are complicit.
You are so very wrong, and mostly opposite of the truth. About the only think that isn't opposite is that the those on the left in the US today have no moral code.
Genuine liberals MUST have a strong personal morality. Immoral slob people are very severe on other people...abandoned lovers, pregnant girl friends, elderly parents. Quite ruthless! Their 'leftie' brand is for themselves, thank you very much!!!
I'll give examples: Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer. These are people who make statements about helping working people, and pound their chests at liberal ideals of freedom and equality, but who act to support the ultra-rich and the status quo and don't do a damned thing to help The People if they can possibly help it. And yes, most of them "have no moral code."
Un, both political parties do it. The Democratic party was once for the work class until 1996, where the Clinton, who was fight for political survival after the Republicans swept into congress, adopted their dragconian ideas in order to get elected. Since then, they become corporate, lying in bed with the big banks, big tech and the other Richies. Just remember that then candidate Obama had a meeting with the big tech companies too. The best speech ever given to support the working class was Ted Kennedy's concession speech at the 1980 Democratic convention in New York, City. Go to youtube and search for it. I will blow your mind.
My problem with the conservative moral codes is that forgiveness and unbending good will are missing. They depend on legalities and even scrupulosity, which in my church, are sins, not virtues.
I was looking over on the left for some forgiveness and came up empty-handed. It's apparently in short supply these days.
Here's yet another person who confuses or conflates neo-liberals as "the left." -ugh- You guys are innumerable. Get A Damned Clue; "the left" and neo-liberals are TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS and the only one you know anything about are the neo-liberals - the left is a true mystery to the right in the USA as reflected in hundreds - soon to be thousands - of comments under Greenwald articles.
potato, potahto...
Please tell us, O wise one, what to call peace/justice sorts of people. In my head I call them Shakespeare catholics, because that means inspiration to me. But what do you call them inside your head?
I would answer but I don't know quite what you mean by "peace/justice sorts of people." ... Actions matter. Saying you're for peace and justice and doing something about it are two different things...
The Franciscan sister came here to Savannah to serve the large, majority black population. My friend, Fr. Donnelly got them a high school. One, Sr. Mary Catharine Moore got a social mission going and lived a fearless life. She walked all over, day or night, to help people. I was told if anyone harmed a hair on her head, they would be "gone" by morning. She died peacefully on her porch in the ghetto at 79.
She and others set up a Catholic Worker house for AIDs homeless. It was a lovely haven, with Mass and flowers...nothing of the puritan punishing look. It was such fun.
Did you think I was talking about a panel discussion over the net?
Well, your one example I would say is _clearly_ a person of the left because she helped The People, not the ultra-rich. That's the easiest way to tell who's "left." And, thus, it's super easy to call out the neo-liberals who may claim left status - as I said action matters, and the neo-liberals are hypocrites, saying something that sounds good and doing something else that harms others.
If "the right" wants to claim her, too, well, yall seem to have the same problem we on the left do with badly-intentioned people trying to say they're a part of your group.
I don't think any political ID wants to claim saintly people...they both were criticized by the 'correct' right and ignored by the rest. The Catholic church had scary infiltrators and still does....truly a challenge to step over all the pikes of muck.
Both political parties try for the moral high ground. People forget about the christian coalition back in the early '90's where Republicans had to meet their litmus test in order to back their candidacy. And don't get it twisted that they used racial tactics to divide the country in an effort to incite rage in rural white voters to vote for them (The Southern Strategy) and surpress the black vote since the civil rights/voting rights bill was passed in 1964. The infamous Willie Horton ad was the most disgusting one that was approved by Lee Atwater who was none other than 41's campagain manager back in 1988. So both parties are complicit.
You are so very wrong, and mostly opposite of the truth. About the only think that isn't opposite is that the those on the left in the US today have no moral code.
Genuine liberals MUST have a strong personal morality. Immoral slob people are very severe on other people...abandoned lovers, pregnant girl friends, elderly parents. Quite ruthless! Their 'leftie' brand is for themselves, thank you very much!!!
Again, you're talking about the neo-liberals, NOT "the left."
The left in the US today is illiberal.
What is your definition of "neo-liberal"?
I'll give examples: Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer. These are people who make statements about helping working people, and pound their chests at liberal ideals of freedom and equality, but who act to support the ultra-rich and the status quo and don't do a damned thing to help The People if they can possibly help it. And yes, most of them "have no moral code."
I can't believe anyone argues with it.
Un, both political parties do it. The Democratic party was once for the work class until 1996, where the Clinton, who was fight for political survival after the Republicans swept into congress, adopted their dragconian ideas in order to get elected. Since then, they become corporate, lying in bed with the big banks, big tech and the other Richies. Just remember that then candidate Obama had a meeting with the big tech companies too. The best speech ever given to support the working class was Ted Kennedy's concession speech at the 1980 Democratic convention in New York, City. Go to youtube and search for it. I will blow your mind.
so neo = faux