In late 2016, the FBI investigated Gen. Michael Flynn when he was a transition official for the possible "crime" of talking to Russia about foreign policy. Why can Biden do this?
1. It appears from notes of a January White House meeting that BIDEN was the individual who brought up the Logan Act violation;
2. Most importantly, Flynn’s lawyers WERE NOT given the evidence that the FBI agents did not believe Flynn lied. This evidence was concealed from Flynn’s defense team in violation of Constitutional law (Brady disclosure).
This was a complete set-up by the Obama administration with help and support from Harry Reid and John McCain....
The DEEP STATE IS REAL...and as Chuck Shumer said in January of 2017, you’d better be careful not to cross them because “they have six ways to Sunday to get you.”
and Brennen calling for the 25th after he called our President a traitor with no evidence is the very definition of an intelligence community gone rouge.
Damn it Glenn, stop fucking around with this level of journalisming. When are you going to drop your Anti-Trump bias and realize that Trump is our last hope. Like him or not (and about 70 million of the 71 million people who voted for Trump CRINGE when he opens his mouth), as an outsider, he's the one person who can cut out this metastatic cancer from out government. If Biden gets away with this theft, we can kiss the USA goodbye. Fucking WAKE UP dude.
Funny, but I agree with both of you: We don't need another Sean Hannity and Trump would be much better than Biden. If Biden assumes the office, it will prove one thing: Crime does pay.
I'm not asking Glenn to be a homer, I'm asking him to take off his anti-Trump bias. Glenns anti-Trump bias is pronounced and obvious as demonstrated in any number of interviews he's given over the past four years. By having his bias, he is unable to see the big picture of what's really going on here and he is not beyond reproach. He's got a huge blind spot and therefore can't referee fairly.
I don't see him as anti-Trump. I see him as anti-corrupt. He calls out Left, Right, whatever is under handed, and leading Americans, and others into darkness with lack of reporting. As a matter of fact, we currently have no journalists reporting on the 10 or so wars we are currently waging. It's as if it is not there, but those of us with Military Family members serving know it far too well. He is reporting what he has the most expertise in.
Greenwald is not a referee. He's an observer, an analyst and a commentator -- and sometimes an investigator. He has never pretended to be "objective" and has written compellingly of the impossibility of objectivity in journalism.
@David March made the claim that Glenn is calling balls and strikes, I didn't. In 2020, we didn't have fireworks and acceptance speeches and the ENTIRE media establishment (including FOX) call the race before the legal system had finished its process. You don't have to be a PhD to recognize that this is proof of fraud, in and of itself.
ABC/CBS/NBC/Twitter/WaPo/MSNBC/NYT/Facebook/CNN/Yahoo are committing fraud by maintaining this charade without a single secretary of state certifying results and lawsuits in at least six different states (about to be seven when Virginia goes up for grabs).
Let's just start there and move out from that starting point. This shit about Ben Rhodes is a fucking waste of time.
Please. News networks, on the basis of projections by pollsters and modelers, have called elections long before any results are officially certified in every single cycle since -- I promise -- before you were born. All normal, not a tiny bit unusual.
States virtually *never* certify votes until weeks after Election Day.
Sure, and other than this 2020 has been completely like every other year in the past. If you don't see rampant fraud, deception and mass propagandizing, you're not trying very hard. This election will be ruled in favor of Trump and the entire MSM will collapse with their complicitness in it all.
News orgs ALWAYS call elections. Every election. Why don't you go check when CBS called it for JFK. That doesn't mean it's "official" or "govt sanctioned". The Electoral FORMALLY decides that.
I'm a long-time (but definitely not uncritical) supporter of Glenn's work but . . . if you insist on"objectivity," you should probably cancel your subscription now.
I'm a conservative. Thus far, I've seen nothing but balance in Glenn's comments. I don't need agreement, I just need to see appropriate miscreants thoroughly skewered.
I don't see him as anti-Trump. I see him as anti-corrupt. He calls out Left, Right, whatever is under handed, and leading Americans, and others into darkness with lack of reporting. As a matter of fact, we currently have no journalists reporting on the 10 or so wars we are currently waging. It's as if it is not there, but those of us with Military Family members serving know it far too well. He is reporting what he has the most expertise in.
It isn’t “bias” to have an opinion different from yours. Glenn isn’t “biased” when he criticizes the Trump administration for this or that. He’s right to do so. “Bias” would be obsessively criticizing Trump while ignoring and/or excusing everything else, e.g. WaPo and MSNBC (or Fox News vice versa). Glenn’s the opposite of all that. As a result, many on the Left have accused him of being a crypto Trump supporter and even on the alt-right.
I believe in free speech and freedom of thought but I am at a total loss to understand how Mr. Greenwald’s column can be viewed as in anyway anti-Trump.
It’s not anti-Trump or anti-Biden. It’s anti-Deep State.
No one should care who is in-charge - just that the people we are all told are in-charge are actually in-charge and not some cabal of unelected bureaucrats using the most sophisticated spying apparatus in the world to run a puppet show...
Could you possibly be any more ignorant? This is, has never been, and never will be about Trump.
FISA Abuse/Illegal Spying on his Campaign
General Flynn frame-up
Mueller "Investigation"
Baseless Impeachment
Massive Voter Fraud and Information Fraud on the American people in 2020 Election
All of the above is not the true crime, it's just a cover up. A cover up of something so massive that it required thousands of felonies in all the above categories to attempt to obfuscate. They couldn't afford to let Trump get elected or their all going to prison so they cheated like hell.
Glenn is anti-Trump, he has been very vocal about this. The piece itself isn't anti-trump, it's just a waste of time. Compared to the big story, he's citing Rhodes for jay-walking.
Right. And that's not the story. Not the BIG story. That's just noise and a waste of time. More of a diversion really. Who cares about that, that story isn't going anywhere.
Well, exactly what story, or stories would you write? And would you write the same one every day. I mean, seriously, treat this article like the tv. If you don't care for it, change the channel. You are not going to change the reporting of the Author by pulling a Karen on here. Maybe he will do a write up that is more in line with your thoughts some day.
Umm, my comment is that Glenn's articles are ad hominens against Trump (or at a minimum, his personal bias has placed blinders on his work). I'm certainly not suggesting the Glenn take a pro-Trump position, but he's certainly not neutral and has said as much many times over the past few years. This story about point out the hypocritical nature of the Dems is a waste of Glenn's talents. I'd prefer to see him tackle the real story here and not get stuck in the weeds.
If you want to turn that around on me and tell me that I'm the one guilty of ad hominem attacks when I'm calling out Glenn for his, then you'll be missing the point.
I thought your comment was sarcasm until I read your other posts down thread and realized you're serious. Anti-Trump bias?? Damn, man, did you read this article? The entire piece is in support of Flynn and his reaching out to foreign officials to smooth the transition to the Trump administration. He was defending the Trump administration.
Greenwald's reason in writing this piece was to point out the hypocrisy in the prosecution of a Trump official for having done exactly what the Biden administration is doing now, according to former Obama official, Ben Rhodes. Why was transition communication between nations a crime when team Trump did it, but it's fine now that Biden's doing it?
That's a good question and I'd think you'd be ok with it being asked. But you seem to be more concerned with why GG isn't covering the "obvious fraud" in the election, which isn't even remotely obvious, if it exists at all. Like Trump, you didn't like the outcome, so it's all a sham. At least Trump has been open for months about how he was going to claim fraud to thwart the will of the people. And that's exactly what he's doing. Why are you so afraid to let it play out? What proof do you have that it's a fraud? You have nothing.
I did and you parrotting his points is making my point for me. The article is missing the big picture, and the big picture has nothing to do with hypocrisy. I'm actually a fan of Glenn's but when he goes on interviews, his anti-Trump bias is palpable.
Everything we've seen for the past five years has been about one thing, to remove Trump at all costs. The real question is why? Getting stuck in the weeds about the Logan act is a waste of time and energy. We're not asking the right questions.
Why did Twitter/Facebook/Youtube several months ago preemptively warn posters that if they mentioned voter fraud they would be censored? (better yet, ask that question in about eight weeks when the evidence for massive voter fraud will be overwhelming).
Why was the NY Post story censored (seriously ask the question deeply, not just "because they wanted to help biden"?)
Why did FOX prematurely announce AZ and why did they preempt Kayleigh Mcenany yesterday when all she was doing was citing facts?
When are News Anchors interrupting and talking over the POTUS?
Why was Flynn Setup?
Why hasn't Judge Sullivan dismissed the Flynn Case?
Why did the attorneys on Mueller's team destroy their phone data?
Why was the whistleblower statute changed to allow second hand info days before the Eric Ciaramella file his claim?
The FBI has an open investigation into the Bidens over allegations of bribery, etc. why is this not being covered?
I [we] could come up with a list of 100 questions such as these, and they are all inter-related.
Your questions of "Why was transition communication between nations a crime when team Trump did it, but it's fine now that Biden's doing it?" is completely missing the mark. We need to take a much broader perspective.
This is about TREASON. On such a massive scale that it's practically unimaginable. Dicking around with Rhodes' quote is getting lost in the weeds. In the grand scheme of things, it's jay-walking, it's a non-story. Our country is close to being stolen right out from under us and Glenn is pointing out hypocrisy? C'mon man!!
Yes, it is TREASON, and it is Tyranny. But what are you, or I able to do about it. Glenn is reporting the facts, the hypocrisy, and naming the names. His palpable dislike has nothing to do with reporting, or this article. As far as I know, the FBI still has an open investigation into the Hillary e-mails, the Wiener Lap-Top, and only God knows what else. It is a never ending ocean of investigations that show no promise of being made public. At least, Glen is telling us what he can put his finger on, without shoving it under the rug.
My response to your original post was push back against your claim that Greenwald was anti-Trump, a claim for which you provided not a single grain of evidence. And you seriously think Greenwald doesn't see a bigger picture, that he needs your list to be in the know? In fact, GG has addressed a number of your concerns in his writings on other platforms. He does see a bigger picture, it just isn't necessarily yours.
Dood, as far as I can tell, Greenwald is anti-Trump. But he is also anti-Biden. And if you followed Greenwald's career for any length of time, you would know this. And if you followed world events to any real depth, you would be too. (Unless you're a sociopath and love money more than other folks' lives. Then, yeah, you'll get a lot of mileage out of the US two party charade.)
slight correction, Trump has been open for months that he felt changing the format of our election to vote by mail at the last minute would open the process to fraud.
We don't have to prove it right now. There have been indicators that require further investigation. that's enough.
Besides the fact that the intelligence spook weinie slurpers have seriously jumped the shark for 4 years with Russia Russia Russia which they couldn't prove even after multi million dollar investigation by the addled Mueller
You can't suppress 70 million people unless they agree.
You're mischaracterizing Trump's view of voting by mail. He preemptively and proactively trashed the entire process as a fraud, not that it's simply open to fraud. In fact, he hired a major donor to head the Postal Service specifically to scuttle or slow mail delivery and throw the process into chaos and doubt. Thankfully, legions of proud and dedicated postal workers weren't about to let that happen, and Trump's anti-democratic skullduggery was sniffed out.
But before Trump trashed mail-in voting, he blasted on-site voting, claiming that hordes of unregistered, illegal voters were swarming polls. All a big, fat lie. Don't forget the Republican committee formed to root out voter fraud that had to shut its case for lack of finding any fraud. The evidence is overwhelming that it's Trump and the Republicans, not the Democrats, who are attempting to cheat the system to win by any means. They are the frauds.
you can't lie to me tard, I actually listened to the President live.
Believe me, part of my assurance the Clinton rapist weinie slurping party of sellout arrogant creeps party needs to be destroyed and rebuilt is the awareness that comes with free time to hear the actual speeches, testimonies and news reports in real time.
The lies emanating from the 'tard Trump opposition are legion.
I'll bet you have free time. You also have more derogatory names and baseless claims than you have proof or examples of voter fraud. Try to focus and provide an adult answer, if possible.
So there wasn't a Republican commission to root out voter fraud that found no voter fraud? Trump hasn't been claiming mail-in fraud for months before a single vote was cast? Trump didn't hire a major donor to run the Postal Service? Those are all lies by me?
"Thankfully, legions of proud and dedicated postal workers weren't about to let that happen"
Such as by back-dating the postmarks on ballots received after 11/3? Yeah, we know about that. I'm not going to bother going into all the evidence of fraud and impropriety, the truth is out there if you care to look. Whether it was enough to change the election result, I don't know, but that is why we need to *investigate* to find out. After four years of Dems pulling every dirty trick in the book to reverse the results of the 2016 election, we are entitled to at least a few weeks to make sure the 2020 election was legit.
Just remember this: the mainstream media is lying to you about Trump. They lied about "Russiagate". They lied about Charlottesville (Trump specifically excluded and condemned the KKK and Neo-Nazis from his "very fine people" remark, look it up). They are lying now when they say there is "no evidence" of fraud and that Trump's claims are "baseless". They lie, and they lie, and they lie, and expect you to keep believing them.
Once you realize that everything the MSM says about Trump is a lie, it changes everything.
Project Veritas is making a mountain out of a molehill. Supposedly a handful of ballots in Erie, PA were backdated on Nov 4th But only ballots received (not postmarked) by Nov 3 were counted in PA. Even if they backdated a million ballots, the election results wouldn't have changed. And even after offering a $25,000 reward, Project Veritas has not been able to come up with another example of ballot fraud in PA or anywhere else.
Have you by chance listen to Glenn’s “The Sham Prosecution of Michael Flynn” - System Update, located on Stand with The Intercept; afforded to us 5 months ago?
Either/or thinking is a fallacy. Trump is dangerous because he's completely unprepared for office and uses omerta as the primary means of promotion. Biden is dangerous because he represents the military/industrial/congressional complex as well as the usury law-busting credit card companies based in DE that, by fleecing poor people, perpetuate a state of danger for all of us but specifically local police forces. Huggy, I get your point, but just because every article does not expose the world does not make it invalid. C'mon already.
Trump is dangerous, just ask thousands of kids in US detention that are now in limbo. He is incompetent in almost every way to lead. Of COURSE Biden is more dangerous. But if you think Trump is a savior for anyone but himself, it is you that need to wake up. And as Glenn has written, CHENEY is a true Stalin-like criminal and far worse than all of which Trump has done. Biden was there to vote for most of the worst actions of the CHENEY admin. But once Trump realized the more military action he used the more he was rewarded by those who work for the military complex including the parent companies of the major media, the more willing he was to use that solution. And let's be honest, DEEP STATE is but an obtuse way to refer to banksters and the military industrial complex. Why use it when you could be specific?
You do have a point. Biden will continue coddling the deep state (See the book by Mike Lofgren.). He may make some gains on social policy, reversing Trump's dangerous environmental measures, etc. Biden at the end of the day will not end let alone transform the dangerous role of the pentagon in military adventures abroad. Trump did try to do that to his credit. Unfortunately Trump's racism and ADD were not a plus.
It's even worse than what Flynn did. Donald Trump was the certified incoming administration. The election was long over and Donald Trump was fleshing out his cabinet. Gen. Flynn was his selection for incoming NSA, a position that doesn't even require senate confirmation. In this case, the election is still going on, no state has certified for Biden, and he's out negotiating foreign policy?!?!? If ever there was a clear violation of the Logan Act, this is it.
Let me clarify a little....what Gen. Flynn was doing at the time was perfectly legitimate. There is no "worse", there is wrong and right. Flynn was appropriately acting as the incoming NSA, in this case, Biden is clearly way outside of the boundaries of appropriate and lawful conduct.
Yes. The Flynn/Kislyak phone calls occurred on Dec 23 and 29, 2016 well after the electoral college had voted and Trump was in fact the "President Elect". Use of that title for Biden, at this point is incorrect.
You have it right but you are missing something worth mentioning that extends the hypocrisy. Not only is the Biden camp doing it, Rhodes is broadcasting that they are doing it specifically with the intention of giving Biden's claim to have won the election more weight. Rhodes cites it to say that foreign leaders are acting as though Biden is the winner. It's one thing to do it, it's another to use it as a tool to lever your contested claim forward.
As an aside, Biden is also using something near to the official seal of POTUS as part of his "Office of the President-Elect" insignia. That is also being used to lend gravitas to Biden's claim. Until that claim is certified by the states, I believe he's in violation of 18 U.S. Code § 713. "Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States,.... for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both. "
However, at present only one party is slurping Intelligence spook weinie on a regular basis publicly and that is the Dems. with a few RHINO's thrown in
The difference between General Flynn and Biden is that Flynn was speaking from an official capacity - the election was certified and Trump WAS President Elect. At this point, nothing is certified - the main stream media does NOT certify elections...That being said, Biden is, at this point, simply a citizen pretending to be president. He has no more right to speak with international leaders than any other citizen until he is certified! PERIOD!
oh come on, Kerry went to Iran to undermine Trump and Obammy was cruising the European and South Korean + Canadian govts after Trump was President too.
We can be sure that Glenn's example is more egregiously obvious but they haven't given a fuck what rules and laws they violate to this point.
Yet even Boris Johnson spoke with Joe Biden. Johnson being the one making the call. Should Biden simply have hung up on him, saying: "Sorry, lad, call me back when I am certified"?
Humans are humans and do human stuff. Or, in ancient Roman Latin: pueri pueri puerilia tractant.
Politicians are whores...They're just covering their asses in case Biden gets away with stealing the election...I was extremely disappointed that Netanyahu, who is supposedly one of Trump's good friends, also jumped on the Biden bandwagon...His premature, highly calculated behavior has me now believing all the garbage the opposition has pinned on him. I won't cry if Netanyahu is ousted...he deserves it...Turncoat!
Of course, my dear Chris, Bibi is famous for being a Turncoat. That's his very nature. He'd sell his own family into slavery within the blink of an eye if he could make sure that would keep him in power.
Bibi has been that way at least for the last 25 years, or, more exactly, for all the world to see since November 4, 1995, the moment when Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin (and with him any hope of peace) was assassinated by the Israeli right-wing extremist Yigal Amir - Bibi remained silent, and from that moment on Israeli democracy began its deplorable decline, having arrived where it is now as Bibi's Divided Israel.
Not much different from the old Roman Emperors of yore: divide and rule. Always works. Actually, not. Almost always (see Edward Gibbon: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. His writing is exquisite, even if one does not agree with some of his conclusions But I digress, again.... )
I recommend Richard Wagner's epic cycle of four operas, The Ring of the Nibelung. The ever relevant tale of lust, love, hunger for power, betrayal, murder, and, in your words, "whore" politicians and politics. Gods, humans, demigods, dwarfs, the entire creation inexorably led into ruin, wanting "the end", wanting everything to be "over" - yet Wagner's music keeps going, for hours and hours (14-16 of them, depending how quick or slow it is performed), and when it is finally "over", the music comes close to the very key in which the whole drama began.
"Politicians are whores", you say. Indeed. If it were not so, we would haev to cease existing. Worse, there would be no art whatsoever.
Don't waste time by wishing a "chaste" or "pure" politician and politics. That's been tried and failed spectacularly (see Wagner). No matter who does the "whoring", 'twill be ever thus....
Me too! He & Taibbi are the remaining lights. Pretty much everyone else with a microphone works at the Ministry of Truth. Western Civ is in a sad state of affairs.
Taibbi's pretty much outed himself as a pied piper for the DS. He's helping to keep the eggheads corralled and aiming to turn as many 'wayward' thinking intellectuals out as possible with those manufactured, switcheroo covert narcissist mood swings. It's really effective on the right-brained chicks. Stick with Glenn. For whatever reason, he appears to have honestly still avoided most of Leviathan's tentacles. That's no small feat.
Looks like conspiranoid nonsense to me. If you think there is credible evidence of fraud on a scale that could, even conceivably, change the outcome of the election in a state, please lay it out in clear language, with specifics and citations. The fever dreams of partisans are no more convincing in this matter than were the idiotic and unfounded claims that "Russian interference" swung the 2106 contest.
Give me a break. The circumstantial evidence is growing massively every single day. The Democrats did everything in their power leading up to the election to spike all controls that actually insure this crap doesn't happen, so providing direct "evidence" is intentionally made very difficult, but between the sworn testimony and the "glitches" that all seem to go one way, there is a serious cloud of corruption over this election. This kind of sticking your fingers in your ears, covering your eyes, and screaming "there is no evidence" is actually partisan nonsense. This is exactly what liberals do all day every day to try to get over the news cycle of the exposure of their latest corruption.
Plus there is always just the 4AM ballot dumps that all went one way in MI and WI, and spiked the counts for Biden, the weird recorded anomalous changes in vote counts where Trump suddenly lost thousands of votes and they materialized for Biden, the hundreds of thousands of ballots for Biden with no down-ballot voting, way outside of the statistical norms, the fact that Biden had zero coat tails while, for all intents and purposes, an actual red wave occurred, so Trump had the tails w/o the coat. It all adds up to massive election fraud.
Now you can wave your hands, dismiss it all as zero evidence, nothing to see here...you know, the typical, predictable liberal smoke screen crapola.
Well, if it is true... you see they are setting up, in case Donald wins in court, the - he stacked the court and they gave it to him as a payback! bullshit....
So, you cite a partisan website reporting on an attempt to revive a lawsuit that the court already dismissed for lack of evidence. Perhaps it would be wiser for you to wait to see how the court treats this new effort.
You might also want to consider that Biden's lead in Michigan is on the order of 150,000 votes, making the chances that even shocking numbers of fraudulent votes (if they existed) would change the outcome.
And then you throw in a laundry list of unsupported claims. As I keep telling you and others who share your position, you'll never convince anyone who doesn't already agree unless you get much better at persuasive argument.
Demanding that someone defend themselves after you have sucker punched them and they are still lying on the floor getting their bearings is typical Leftist bullying. We all see you.
Al Gore had 37 days in 2000. The Trump campaign is working on it. The election was only seven days ago. I do find it surprising that the Biden camp is not supporting “count every legal” vote request but expect 71,000,000 to unify. That is not going to happen.
You're certainly correct that unification is not in the cards. There are a number of reasons for that, but the essential one is that Americans don't share a worldview or fundamental values. We're not going to come together, because the degree of compromise necessary to allow that to happen is effectively impossible.
OK, let's use the term we use in criminal investigations: probable cause. Share with us the probable-cause basis -- the "smoke" -- that leads you to believe evidence of fraud on a scale that could change the outcome in any state(s) might be found.
And don't worry, no hurry. I'm waiting patiently for your response.
I posted it above, you will predictable dismiss all of it. I know libs like you. No facts penetrate. You have a desired outcome, and you will do or say anything to achieve it. You patina of patience is interesting considering you're in a massive big hurry to call this election over with. Several key states are within just a few thousand votes and could swing either way with challenges. There are about a hundred thousand votes total separating the candidates across all of the contested battleground states. That's nothing among 140 million votes. Again, I ask, what is your big hurry to call it over? What are you afraid of?
Clearly you don’t work in tech, haven’t examined any of the FOIA and leaked docs about the voting machine hardware and software, have no experience with distributed systems, don’t understand anything about security or encryption or exploits.
Pointing out that using a heterogeneous collection of commodity garbage hardware, EOL’ed Windows OSes, shit like Access Databases, datacards with no chain of custody, unencrypted and unauthenticated communications channels, no penetration testing, no unalterable audit trail, closed, and unpatched “voting machines” is a disaster does not make you a “Trumper” or “conspiracy theorist”. Bugs exist, especially with no testing and in software written by rank amateurs using components wholly unsuited for ensuring the “sanctity” of our Democracy.
It’s not improbable that a data element displayed in a UI has a controller that doesn’t write the correct value to the model aka “vote flipping”. It doesn’t have to be malicious. It’s more than likely the product of stupidity and ignorance of grifters like Diebold.
Such events that change the outcome are entirely possible and even likely based on how porous and fragile this Rube Goldberg machine of “modern” voting is. The more vulnerable points that exist, the easier it is to make the case that there was fraud, even if the supposition is wrong. By using such a towers of steaming shit, you are handing the opposition credible paths of inquiry.
The polling this time around was useless and orders of magnitude incorrect, so using that as a reference point to disprove bogus results doesn’t hold water. Furthermore, it’s nary impossible to audit the votes in any meaningful fashion because of the systems not being explicitly designed to be audited or secure in the first place.
If a Republican attorney asked me to serve as an expert witness and render an opinion as to whether the results by the voting machines can be trusted, my answer would be no. And that answer has nothing to do with political affiliation or a desire to see a specific outcome. It’s based on a forensic analysis of how these systems are built to fail at their job.
If Trump’s attorneys had any brains, they’d attack this from exactly that angle. Haul the vendors in for depositions and elicit answers that create credible and reasonable doubt about the system as a whole. Toyota built software that killed people with unintended acceleration, surgical robots maim patients due to malfunctions, Therac-25 killed patients due to a race condition. And these are all systems designed and built by large teams where safety is the primary directive. Imagine how sloppy two dudes who know Excel, MS Access, and a little SQL would be?
Hand marked ballots, counted in public. That’s the standard that needs to apply. None of this tech bullshit. You eliminate hundreds or thousands of possible objections to the result by removing the weakest link — the machines and the software.
We voted on hand-marked paper ballots on election day in PA this year. And the 2.5 million mail-ins are obviously hand-marked paper ballots. So there shouldn't be any challenges to the PA vote.
Maybe we should require voting equipment to be built with open source hardware and software that both parties (and everyone else) can verify?The required functionality is not very complex.
Counted in public with the results transmitted by hand and not through machines? If you’re just scanning what’s been hand marked into a proprietary hardware and software clusterfuck, there’s still several points of weakness.
True. But that means waiting weeks to count 7 million ballots. And thousands of human counters, each of whom is also a point of weakness. At least now we have the paper ballots which can be recounted instead of numbers on a voting machine. And only a few hundred scanners that need to be secured and checked for malware, rather than tens of thousands of voting machines.
Back in 2000 when the hanging-chad disaster occurred (actually the REAL disaster was the Rehnquist court getting involved when it was CLEARLY NOT appropriate, but I digress), I was the lead of a 43 person team in the computer science department at UC Berkeley and we set ourselves to the unofficial task of figuring this kind of thing out.
We determined that it was not possible to secure an electronic vote, no matter what, presuming the requirements were BOTH that it had to be secure AND secret. However, we DID devise a means by which COUNT FORWARDING can be trusted. Here's how:
First, the COUNTS are NOT PRIVATE. So, everyone at a precinct - whether paid elections staff or volunteers - is present for the vote count, and a totaling document is created, format determined in advance along with ballot design, the numbers filled in, it's digitally "signed" via what at the time we called MD5, and today we'd be using SHA1SUM, or something even better, and everyone gets an identical copy of the totals everyone then present agrees was their count for that day. THAT total can be reliably sent anywhere and confirmed by all the staff present.
A simple web site / database pair can be easily created for the participants to ensure THEIR precinct's votes were counted correctly, and the entire tally is open to public purview.
The original paper ballots are still available for recounting as need be, but this removes the possibility of election officials higher up the chain changing the vote totals, such as swapping them between candidates as appeared to happen to Bernie Sanders, whose totals were likely swapped for Hillary's during the CA primary, for example.
And, the same basic strategy can be used all the way up the chain to the federal level, though there are some small hiccups along the way for things like removing local information from the totals as they rise to larger aggregations.
THIS would go a LONG way to helping secure our elections which, of course, is why nothing like this has been done, or likely ever will be unless we somehow get a Progressive President...
I don't have a clue how our election system, get up, algorythms, or whatever are in Germany. I'm very happy that you, and others are more knowledgeable of tech than I am. I do agree with you 100% on the paper/ink, hand counted ballots. I have read thousands of FOIA leaked docs over the past 10 years, and all I see is dirty, under handed, sleaze. Again, I have my own 2 specialties, which clearly you don't work in. Your comment made you sound like you were putting down those of us that do not work in the Tech Industry. Just a kind thought here to let you know it didn't read well on my end.
>>> "Clearly you don’t work in tech, haven’t examined any of the FOIA and leaked docs about the voting machine hardware and software, have no experience with distributed systems, don’t understand anything about security or encryption or exploits."
Since when is evidence required BEFORE the investigation? This ridiculous demand to produce evidence before any investigation is complete is part of the “cover-up”. And where were all media demands for evidence in the Russia hoax? In the Covid hysteria? In the BLM riots over “racism”?
How about the DHS brief stating 80% of 14,000,000 ballots are fake! In 2016 Homeland Security developed a sting operation to crack down on election fraud. The ballots are encrypted with bitchain. I think this may have been used in all the swing states but not sure about that.
"I am a Conservative and will accept Biden as President." Not much of a stretch for you. Biden is objectively a right winger if you look at his own words, policies, and actions. The two parties "are but two cheeks of the same arse".
I find that hard to believe. If you look at his position on abortion,2nd amendment, taxes, etc he is very much a Clintonian democrat. Center-left, perhaps. Right wing? No way.
Well Greg, you are willing a victim of the D&R circus&propaganda complex. You have pointed out the culture war crap that both parties love because it keeps the shit heads in business and the partisan chimps screaming at each other across the valley.
Biden supported the fascist patriot act and the racist '94 crime bill. He has a long record of racist comments and support for segregationists. He was a major cheerleader for the criminal war in Iraq and has supported every war of the last 5 decades. The administration he was part of deported over 2 million people, bombed 7 countries (at a minimum), targeted 3 American citizens with drones, forgave the torturing war criminals of the Bush administration, prosecuted and persecuted whistle-blowers and journalists who revealed war crimes, and shoveled TRILLIONS at the pentagon and the capitalist criminals of wall street... all of these things are right wing in nature. There is a lot more but this should suffice. He is a right winger.
When are we going to get an explanation from the Democrats about how they managed to stop Russia from getting Trump in office again? Somebody should be eager to explain that heroic effort, I would assume.
I am a conservative and subscribed here because Glenn plays it straight as a journalist. (no pun intended) A consumer of news and information must work to find credible journalists in an ocean of hacks. In an age of easy and quick access it is increasingly difficult to find anyone seeking the truth or having temerity to publish it. You are doing great work and have opened my field of view to some different perspectives.
For those who want (sorry are sky screaming for) "evidence" of fraud, just take a look at the sworn affidavits in the MI lawsuit. Skip to pg 25... Exhibit A is pretty brutal. Now back this up with some CCTV footage, incidental phone videos, more whistleblowers and it will be pretty compelling. Faced with certain prosecution, you can expect more folks will 'give up the ghost'. Nothing to see here ppl, move along.
Also, Glen extracted $50 from my cold, conservative coffers (And I rarely "pay" for news) because I think he's one of the very few journalists left with an open mind. Bravo Glen.
People who are OK with murdering babies aren’t going to draw the line at voter fraud. Those who have no other creed than winning are also not going to be guided by morality. I read it. It happens because they know that “journalists” will not work to expose them. Their local politicians will shield them. No lynch mob of conservatives will show up at their homes, work to get them fired from their jobs or physically assault them.
I also have an MS in biology and a fetus in humans is defined as the post embryonic period which is about 3 months until birth. However, and depending on the source a fetus can exist outside the womb at about seven months, but may even be viable at 24 weeks, of course on a support system. Outside the womb it is no longer defined as a fetus, but a baby.
Apparently you don't know your own religion very well.
Having not just read the Torah and both Testaments of the Christian bible, cover to cover in three different translations, I've also studied this reasonably well and here's what "the bible" says about this question:
Life begins at birth and, in particular, the "first breath of life". That bit I quoted is found more or less virbatem in the bible quite a few times. Nowhere does it say it begins at conception.
Please stop. You don’t know my “religion”. I doubt you know anything about anything religious besides the religion of atheism. Keep reading but, as I’m sure you know, being a religious scholar, your argument is from sola scriptura (I’ll wait while you Google that)................
the apostolic teaching of the Christian church has always been anti-abortion. Period. Forever. Another swing and a miss.
The deniers deflect and switch to "yeah, but it won't be enough to overturn the results". They won't be pinned down by facts, nor the fact they can't actually tell you whether all of these disputes will be enough to overturn the results. They have an outcome they wish, and that serves the the axis for all reality.
Not that I think the GOP is any great prize, but the stench of hypocrisy coming from the democrats is choking the life out of US society. They destroyed the rule of law to hamstring Trump before he even took his oath of office. Filthy, corrupt bureaucrats were illegally spying on the Trump transition team and setting up process crime stings on his key advisors from even before he took the oath of office, and they're still doing it. They're trying to put General Flynn in prison for a crime they KNOW he didn't commit.
The audacity of democrat leaders calling for "unity" rings hollow when their standard mouthpieces are calling for Trump staffers and supporters to be added to revenge lists. In 2016, democrats proved they were poor losers. Now they are proving that they are even worse winners. The threats, the lies, the blatant double standards are wearing on the public's last nerve. Even if the vote counts are accurate, the years of lawless abuse of the FBI, intel services, the warping of whistleblower rules, the shoddy impeachment process, the slanted polls, the light speed calls of states for Biden before even 10% of the votes were counted and the extraordinary foot-dragging to call states like FL and TX that obviously went for Trump, half the population of the US will never consider Biden a legitimate POTUS. What half the country considers the democrat party to be is a privileged cabal of evil, lawless scum at the top and brainwashed, amoral conformists at the rank and file level who take orgasmic pleasure at hating their fellow Americans and doing them harm at any opportunity purely for profit and sport.
No giving up their guns. And people will begin to ignore any fascist double standard EOs delivered by Biden to punish the kind of people democrats hate for sport.
Ladies and gentlemen, polite is better. Don’t let politics steal your peace. I have been a dummy in that regard in the very recent past. Don’t let this stuff eat at you. By all means work for what you believe in and be angry when it’s just but work to avoid hatred and ad hominem attacks. It’s corrosive.
Saying "fuck" is not hatred. It's just saying "fuck".
By all means pretend to some bowtie wearing decorum but wearing a fancy suit and thousand dollar shoes while one invades multiple countries and murders hundreds of thousands of people based on lies doesn't make one civilised. It just makes one a poseur.
I don't think the question is what name can be applied to an individual involved. The question is, what's the best way to effect a change and build a successful society? Plenty of voters are swayed towards a side that one might not like by angry, name-calling, speech towards that side. One might find more receptivity to calling out the problems of the other side by not demonizing them.
This is one of the many reasons there can be no joy in a Biden win. The liberal pundit and political class (and those who desperately want to join them) maintain a willful blindness to the hypocrisy and corruption of the 'leaders' they revere. And now they've got their own lying, war-mongering racist coming to the White House. Witness how they, with lightning speed, are already kicking progressives in the nuts and working to erase recent history. This is the only game plan they have, as they certainly have no intention of doing anything to help the millions of working class citizens they deserted in the 90s, and have long ago departed from the concerns of common citizens. They are happy to be returning to the great gas-lighting environment of the Obama era. And it sickens me. Past time we leave this party behind once and for all.
Thank you Glenn, for contributing your great journalistic talent, for your consistent courage, and for pursuing justice so steadfastly. I am truly grateful.
So, let me write my thinking here, out loud. We have State Sponsored Media, we have State Sponsored Elections, and we have State Sponsored Secret Intelligence Courts, that pick, choose, and ruin the lives of anyone they wish. The ABC agencies can now pick the leaders of our own country, and toss what is left of the Constitution into the deepest depths of the Ocean. Hmm-Kay. Looks too much like Germany in the late 1930's to me.
If you like your Perpetual War, you can keep your Perpetual War. The War Machine triumphantly returns to Versailles. Oh, and by the way, Adolf Trump, mein furer, has less blood on his hands than Saint Barry Obama. For those hard of critical thinking, no new wars under Trump, including no destruction of Libya that left the place with open air slave markets and CIA arms running bases for their destruction of Syria.
Good article:
Two points:
1. It appears from notes of a January White House meeting that BIDEN was the individual who brought up the Logan Act violation;
2. Most importantly, Flynn’s lawyers WERE NOT given the evidence that the FBI agents did not believe Flynn lied. This evidence was concealed from Flynn’s defense team in violation of Constitutional law (Brady disclosure).
This was a complete set-up by the Obama administration with help and support from Harry Reid and John McCain....
The DEEP STATE IS REAL...and as Chuck Shumer said in January of 2017, you’d better be careful not to cross them because “they have six ways to Sunday to get you.”
time to fuck em... and fuck em good... McCabe is a disgrace.
and Brennen calling for the 25th after he called our President a traitor with no evidence is the very definition of an intelligence community gone rouge.
Brennen will be arrested. He was sweating bullets on Chris Cuomo and called for Pres. immediate removal.
I hope, but it's been a long run for those spooks with no comeuppance.
We all can understand the frustration....but we need justice in a fair system...
Trump showed clearly (for all his faults) that there is a power cabal...
Few in media want to pull back the curtain like Glenn Greenwald.
Damn it Glenn, stop fucking around with this level of journalisming. When are you going to drop your Anti-Trump bias and realize that Trump is our last hope. Like him or not (and about 70 million of the 71 million people who voted for Trump CRINGE when he opens his mouth), as an outsider, he's the one person who can cut out this metastatic cancer from out government. If Biden gets away with this theft, we can kiss the USA goodbye. Fucking WAKE UP dude.
We dont need another Sean Hannity. We need more people calling balls and strikes on both sides. Thats what Glen is doing. Keep it up Glen.
Funny, but I agree with both of you: We don't need another Sean Hannity and Trump would be much better than Biden. If Biden assumes the office, it will prove one thing: Crime does pay.
I'm not asking Glenn to be a homer, I'm asking him to take off his anti-Trump bias. Glenns anti-Trump bias is pronounced and obvious as demonstrated in any number of interviews he's given over the past four years. By having his bias, he is unable to see the big picture of what's really going on here and he is not beyond reproach. He's got a huge blind spot and therefore can't referee fairly.
I don't see him as anti-Trump. I see him as anti-corrupt. He calls out Left, Right, whatever is under handed, and leading Americans, and others into darkness with lack of reporting. As a matter of fact, we currently have no journalists reporting on the 10 or so wars we are currently waging. It's as if it is not there, but those of us with Military Family members serving know it far too well. He is reporting what he has the most expertise in.
Thank you.
Greenwald is not a referee. He's an observer, an analyst and a commentator -- and sometimes an investigator. He has never pretended to be "objective" and has written compellingly of the impossibility of objectivity in journalism.
@David March made the claim that Glenn is calling balls and strikes, I didn't. In 2020, we didn't have fireworks and acceptance speeches and the ENTIRE media establishment (including FOX) call the race before the legal system had finished its process. You don't have to be a PhD to recognize that this is proof of fraud, in and of itself.
ABC/CBS/NBC/Twitter/WaPo/MSNBC/NYT/Facebook/CNN/Yahoo are committing fraud by maintaining this charade without a single secretary of state certifying results and lawsuits in at least six different states (about to be seven when Virginia goes up for grabs).
Let's just start there and move out from that starting point. This shit about Ben Rhodes is a fucking waste of time.
Please. News networks, on the basis of projections by pollsters and modelers, have called elections long before any results are officially certified in every single cycle since -- I promise -- before you were born. All normal, not a tiny bit unusual.
States virtually *never* certify votes until weeks after Election Day.
Sure, and other than this 2020 has been completely like every other year in the past. If you don't see rampant fraud, deception and mass propagandizing, you're not trying very hard. This election will be ruled in favor of Trump and the entire MSM will collapse with their complicitness in it all.
Am I alone in requesting that you clean up your language Frank?
Wait, are you trying to censor my language? What happened to free speech?
News orgs ALWAYS call elections. Every election. Why don't you go check when CBS called it for JFK. That doesn't mean it's "official" or "govt sanctioned". The Electoral FORMALLY decides that.
(Electoral College, that is)
If he ain't objective and balanced, my tentative, monthly subscription will be toast. "Reporting" is not "refereeing".
I'm a long-time (but definitely not uncritical) supporter of Glenn's work but . . . if you insist on"objectivity," you should probably cancel your subscription now.
I'm a conservative. Thus far, I've seen nothing but balance in Glenn's comments. I don't need agreement, I just need to see appropriate miscreants thoroughly skewered.
I don't see him as anti-Trump. I see him as anti-corrupt. He calls out Left, Right, whatever is under handed, and leading Americans, and others into darkness with lack of reporting. As a matter of fact, we currently have no journalists reporting on the 10 or so wars we are currently waging. It's as if it is not there, but those of us with Military Family members serving know it far too well. He is reporting what he has the most expertise in.
It isn’t “bias” to have an opinion different from yours. Glenn isn’t “biased” when he criticizes the Trump administration for this or that. He’s right to do so. “Bias” would be obsessively criticizing Trump while ignoring and/or excusing everything else, e.g. WaPo and MSNBC (or Fox News vice versa). Glenn’s the opposite of all that. As a result, many on the Left have accused him of being a crypto Trump supporter and even on the alt-right.
Is the lid you are wearing the pussy-hat of 2020?
You know, you're about to be in for a very rude awakening. Enjoy the show.
I take it that means “yes”.
Well put
😀
I’m confused by your comment....
I believe in free speech and freedom of thought but I am at a total loss to understand how Mr. Greenwald’s column can be viewed as in anyway anti-Trump.
It’s not anti-Trump or anti-Biden. It’s anti-Deep State.
No one should care who is in-charge - just that the people we are all told are in-charge are actually in-charge and not some cabal of unelected bureaucrats using the most sophisticated spying apparatus in the world to run a puppet show...
Its two crime families fighting for the front seat access to the Deep State
Could you possibly be any more ignorant? This is, has never been, and never will be about Trump.
FISA Abuse/Illegal Spying on his Campaign
General Flynn frame-up
Mueller "Investigation"
Baseless Impeachment
Massive Voter Fraud and Information Fraud on the American people in 2020 Election
All of the above is not the true crime, it's just a cover up. A cover up of something so massive that it required thousands of felonies in all the above categories to attempt to obfuscate. They couldn't afford to let Trump get elected or their all going to prison so they cheated like hell.
No way. The intelligence spooks have been anti Trump from the first.
if there are two crime families fighting it's the OBAMMIES VS CLINTONS
Update: Obammy 3 Clinton 0
Glenn is anti-Trump, he has been very vocal about this. The piece itself isn't anti-trump, it's just a waste of time. Compared to the big story, he's citing Rhodes for jay-walking.
The point of the article is the DEMS are doing exactly what they cited as criminal behavior when done by Republicans...
and the MSM is fine with it...
That’s a story...
Right. And that's not the story. Not the BIG story. That's just noise and a waste of time. More of a diversion really. Who cares about that, that story isn't going anywhere.
Well, exactly what story, or stories would you write? And would you write the same one every day. I mean, seriously, treat this article like the tv. If you don't care for it, change the channel. You are not going to change the reporting of the Author by pulling a Karen on here. Maybe he will do a write up that is more in line with your thoughts some day.
Seems as though you missed the point of the article.
Oh, so your comment is an ad hominem! Now I get it.
Umm, my comment is that Glenn's articles are ad hominens against Trump (or at a minimum, his personal bias has placed blinders on his work). I'm certainly not suggesting the Glenn take a pro-Trump position, but he's certainly not neutral and has said as much many times over the past few years. This story about point out the hypocritical nature of the Dems is a waste of Glenn's talents. I'd prefer to see him tackle the real story here and not get stuck in the weeds.
If you want to turn that around on me and tell me that I'm the one guilty of ad hominem attacks when I'm calling out Glenn for his, then you'll be missing the point.
I thought your comment was sarcasm until I read your other posts down thread and realized you're serious. Anti-Trump bias?? Damn, man, did you read this article? The entire piece is in support of Flynn and his reaching out to foreign officials to smooth the transition to the Trump administration. He was defending the Trump administration.
Greenwald's reason in writing this piece was to point out the hypocrisy in the prosecution of a Trump official for having done exactly what the Biden administration is doing now, according to former Obama official, Ben Rhodes. Why was transition communication between nations a crime when team Trump did it, but it's fine now that Biden's doing it?
That's a good question and I'd think you'd be ok with it being asked. But you seem to be more concerned with why GG isn't covering the "obvious fraud" in the election, which isn't even remotely obvious, if it exists at all. Like Trump, you didn't like the outcome, so it's all a sham. At least Trump has been open for months about how he was going to claim fraud to thwart the will of the people. And that's exactly what he's doing. Why are you so afraid to let it play out? What proof do you have that it's a fraud? You have nothing.
I did and you parrotting his points is making my point for me. The article is missing the big picture, and the big picture has nothing to do with hypocrisy. I'm actually a fan of Glenn's but when he goes on interviews, his anti-Trump bias is palpable.
Everything we've seen for the past five years has been about one thing, to remove Trump at all costs. The real question is why? Getting stuck in the weeds about the Logan act is a waste of time and energy. We're not asking the right questions.
Why did Twitter/Facebook/Youtube several months ago preemptively warn posters that if they mentioned voter fraud they would be censored? (better yet, ask that question in about eight weeks when the evidence for massive voter fraud will be overwhelming).
Why was the NY Post story censored (seriously ask the question deeply, not just "because they wanted to help biden"?)
Why did FOX prematurely announce AZ and why did they preempt Kayleigh Mcenany yesterday when all she was doing was citing facts?
When are News Anchors interrupting and talking over the POTUS?
Why was Flynn Setup?
Why hasn't Judge Sullivan dismissed the Flynn Case?
Why did the attorneys on Mueller's team destroy their phone data?
Why was the whistleblower statute changed to allow second hand info days before the Eric Ciaramella file his claim?
The FBI has an open investigation into the Bidens over allegations of bribery, etc. why is this not being covered?
I [we] could come up with a list of 100 questions such as these, and they are all inter-related.
Your questions of "Why was transition communication between nations a crime when team Trump did it, but it's fine now that Biden's doing it?" is completely missing the mark. We need to take a much broader perspective.
This is about TREASON. On such a massive scale that it's practically unimaginable. Dicking around with Rhodes' quote is getting lost in the weeds. In the grand scheme of things, it's jay-walking, it's a non-story. Our country is close to being stolen right out from under us and Glenn is pointing out hypocrisy? C'mon man!!
Yes, it is TREASON, and it is Tyranny. But what are you, or I able to do about it. Glenn is reporting the facts, the hypocrisy, and naming the names. His palpable dislike has nothing to do with reporting, or this article. As far as I know, the FBI still has an open investigation into the Hillary e-mails, the Wiener Lap-Top, and only God knows what else. It is a never ending ocean of investigations that show no promise of being made public. At least, Glen is telling us what he can put his finger on, without shoving it under the rug.
My response to your original post was push back against your claim that Greenwald was anti-Trump, a claim for which you provided not a single grain of evidence. And you seriously think Greenwald doesn't see a bigger picture, that he needs your list to be in the know? In fact, GG has addressed a number of your concerns in his writings on other platforms. He does see a bigger picture, it just isn't necessarily yours.
Dood, as far as I can tell, Greenwald is anti-Trump. But he is also anti-Biden. And if you followed Greenwald's career for any length of time, you would know this. And if you followed world events to any real depth, you would be too. (Unless you're a sociopath and love money more than other folks' lives. Then, yeah, you'll get a lot of mileage out of the US two party charade.)
You are not wrong. The Leftists are simply over-whelming the system with corruption. And the Administrative State is protecting and enabling them.
slight correction, Trump has been open for months that he felt changing the format of our election to vote by mail at the last minute would open the process to fraud.
We don't have to prove it right now. There have been indicators that require further investigation. that's enough.
Besides the fact that the intelligence spook weinie slurpers have seriously jumped the shark for 4 years with Russia Russia Russia which they couldn't prove even after multi million dollar investigation by the addled Mueller
You can't suppress 70 million people unless they agree.
Sounds like they don't.
You're mischaracterizing Trump's view of voting by mail. He preemptively and proactively trashed the entire process as a fraud, not that it's simply open to fraud. In fact, he hired a major donor to head the Postal Service specifically to scuttle or slow mail delivery and throw the process into chaos and doubt. Thankfully, legions of proud and dedicated postal workers weren't about to let that happen, and Trump's anti-democratic skullduggery was sniffed out.
But before Trump trashed mail-in voting, he blasted on-site voting, claiming that hordes of unregistered, illegal voters were swarming polls. All a big, fat lie. Don't forget the Republican committee formed to root out voter fraud that had to shut its case for lack of finding any fraud. The evidence is overwhelming that it's Trump and the Republicans, not the Democrats, who are attempting to cheat the system to win by any means. They are the frauds.
Stacey?? Stacey Abrams??? Is that you??? writing us another romance novella?
you can't lie to me tard, I actually listened to the President live.
Believe me, part of my assurance the Clinton rapist weinie slurping party of sellout arrogant creeps party needs to be destroyed and rebuilt is the awareness that comes with free time to hear the actual speeches, testimonies and news reports in real time.
The lies emanating from the 'tard Trump opposition are legion.
I'll bet you have free time. You also have more derogatory names and baseless claims than you have proof or examples of voter fraud. Try to focus and provide an adult answer, if possible.
So there wasn't a Republican commission to root out voter fraud that found no voter fraud? Trump hasn't been claiming mail-in fraud for months before a single vote was cast? Trump didn't hire a major donor to run the Postal Service? Those are all lies by me?
"Thankfully, legions of proud and dedicated postal workers weren't about to let that happen"
Such as by back-dating the postmarks on ballots received after 11/3? Yeah, we know about that. I'm not going to bother going into all the evidence of fraud and impropriety, the truth is out there if you care to look. Whether it was enough to change the election result, I don't know, but that is why we need to *investigate* to find out. After four years of Dems pulling every dirty trick in the book to reverse the results of the 2016 election, we are entitled to at least a few weeks to make sure the 2020 election was legit.
Just remember this: the mainstream media is lying to you about Trump. They lied about "Russiagate". They lied about Charlottesville (Trump specifically excluded and condemned the KKK and Neo-Nazis from his "very fine people" remark, look it up). They are lying now when they say there is "no evidence" of fraud and that Trump's claims are "baseless". They lie, and they lie, and they lie, and expect you to keep believing them.
Once you realize that everything the MSM says about Trump is a lie, it changes everything.
Project Veritas is making a mountain out of a molehill. Supposedly a handful of ballots in Erie, PA were backdated on Nov 4th But only ballots received (not postmarked) by Nov 3 were counted in PA. Even if they backdated a million ballots, the election results wouldn't have changed. And even after offering a $25,000 reward, Project Veritas has not been able to come up with another example of ballot fraud in PA or anywhere else.
Where's the laugh emoji?
Wow! Fake news really got you.
Have you by chance listen to Glenn’s “The Sham Prosecution of Michael Flynn” - System Update, located on Stand with The Intercept; afforded to us 5 months ago?
Yes, I heard that one.
lol, anyone who says, "wake up"
On ignore forever.
Wake Up Bill.
Personally I need way more sleep.
Either/or thinking is a fallacy. Trump is dangerous because he's completely unprepared for office and uses omerta as the primary means of promotion. Biden is dangerous because he represents the military/industrial/congressional complex as well as the usury law-busting credit card companies based in DE that, by fleecing poor people, perpetuate a state of danger for all of us but specifically local police forces. Huggy, I get your point, but just because every article does not expose the world does not make it invalid. C'mon already.
Trump is dangerous, just ask thousands of kids in US detention that are now in limbo. He is incompetent in almost every way to lead. Of COURSE Biden is more dangerous. But if you think Trump is a savior for anyone but himself, it is you that need to wake up. And as Glenn has written, CHENEY is a true Stalin-like criminal and far worse than all of which Trump has done. Biden was there to vote for most of the worst actions of the CHENEY admin. But once Trump realized the more military action he used the more he was rewarded by those who work for the military complex including the parent companies of the major media, the more willing he was to use that solution. And let's be honest, DEEP STATE is but an obtuse way to refer to banksters and the military industrial complex. Why use it when you could be specific?
You do have a point. Biden will continue coddling the deep state (See the book by Mike Lofgren.). He may make some gains on social policy, reversing Trump's dangerous environmental measures, etc. Biden at the end of the day will not end let alone transform the dangerous role of the pentagon in military adventures abroad. Trump did try to do that to his credit. Unfortunately Trump's racism and ADD were not a plus.
HILARIOUS! Greenwald is accused of being pro-Trump by many Democrats.
Where's the anti-trump bias in this piece huh?
Try reading this, THEN try talking about Glenn being in the tank for ANYONE:
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/no-matter-the-liberal-metric-chosen
Pres Trump is going after the Deep State and it won’t be pretty.
I have to admit, for these last few days I thought your avatar was of queen Elizabeth.
I know, the resemblance is uncanny.
Why the cancer reference? Damn it.
It's even worse than what Flynn did. Donald Trump was the certified incoming administration. The election was long over and Donald Trump was fleshing out his cabinet. Gen. Flynn was his selection for incoming NSA, a position that doesn't even require senate confirmation. In this case, the election is still going on, no state has certified for Biden, and he's out negotiating foreign policy?!?!? If ever there was a clear violation of the Logan Act, this is it.
Let me clarify a little....what Gen. Flynn was doing at the time was perfectly legitimate. There is no "worse", there is wrong and right. Flynn was appropriately acting as the incoming NSA, in this case, Biden is clearly way outside of the boundaries of appropriate and lawful conduct.
Agreed! We know what you meant.
Agreed Flynn was within rights and that Biden should at least wait for certification to make such moves.
Yes. The Flynn/Kislyak phone calls occurred on Dec 23 and 29, 2016 well after the electoral college had voted and Trump was in fact the "President Elect". Use of that title for Biden, at this point is incorrect.
You have it right but you are missing something worth mentioning that extends the hypocrisy. Not only is the Biden camp doing it, Rhodes is broadcasting that they are doing it specifically with the intention of giving Biden's claim to have won the election more weight. Rhodes cites it to say that foreign leaders are acting as though Biden is the winner. It's one thing to do it, it's another to use it as a tool to lever your contested claim forward.
As an aside, Biden is also using something near to the official seal of POTUS as part of his "Office of the President-Elect" insignia. That is also being used to lend gravitas to Biden's claim. Until that claim is certified by the states, I believe he's in violation of 18 U.S. Code § 713. "Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States,.... for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both. "
If it weren’t for double-standards, Democrats would have no standards at all! (See Chris Plante)
You don't mean to imply, of course, that Democrats are different in that way from -- say -- Republicans. Right?
In many ways 2 sides of the same coin. (See: weapons of mass destruction)
However, at present only one party is slurping Intelligence spook weinie on a regular basis publicly and that is the Dems. with a few RHINO's thrown in
The difference between General Flynn and Biden is that Flynn was speaking from an official capacity - the election was certified and Trump WAS President Elect. At this point, nothing is certified - the main stream media does NOT certify elections...That being said, Biden is, at this point, simply a citizen pretending to be president. He has no more right to speak with international leaders than any other citizen until he is certified! PERIOD!
oh come on, Kerry went to Iran to undermine Trump and Obammy was cruising the European and South Korean + Canadian govts after Trump was President too.
We can be sure that Glenn's example is more egregiously obvious but they haven't given a fuck what rules and laws they violate to this point.
I think you and the commenter that you are replying to are on the same page.
probably. I need to drink after watching McCabe on tv
I've already had a few drinks and it's still afternoon here.
Is he stil Pres elect with 253 votes? Looks like AZ may go to Trump and then we’ll hear screams and fraud and recount immediately.
Biden has 279 EC votes without Arizona.
Yet even Boris Johnson spoke with Joe Biden. Johnson being the one making the call. Should Biden simply have hung up on him, saying: "Sorry, lad, call me back when I am certified"?
Humans are humans and do human stuff. Or, in ancient Roman Latin: pueri pueri puerilia tractant.
Don't we all...
Politicians are whores...They're just covering their asses in case Biden gets away with stealing the election...I was extremely disappointed that Netanyahu, who is supposedly one of Trump's good friends, also jumped on the Biden bandwagon...His premature, highly calculated behavior has me now believing all the garbage the opposition has pinned on him. I won't cry if Netanyahu is ousted...he deserves it...Turncoat!
Of course, my dear Chris, Bibi is famous for being a Turncoat. That's his very nature. He'd sell his own family into slavery within the blink of an eye if he could make sure that would keep him in power.
Bibi has been that way at least for the last 25 years, or, more exactly, for all the world to see since November 4, 1995, the moment when Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin (and with him any hope of peace) was assassinated by the Israeli right-wing extremist Yigal Amir - Bibi remained silent, and from that moment on Israeli democracy began its deplorable decline, having arrived where it is now as Bibi's Divided Israel.
Not much different from the old Roman Emperors of yore: divide and rule. Always works. Actually, not. Almost always (see Edward Gibbon: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. His writing is exquisite, even if one does not agree with some of his conclusions But I digress, again.... )
I recommend Richard Wagner's epic cycle of four operas, The Ring of the Nibelung. The ever relevant tale of lust, love, hunger for power, betrayal, murder, and, in your words, "whore" politicians and politics. Gods, humans, demigods, dwarfs, the entire creation inexorably led into ruin, wanting "the end", wanting everything to be "over" - yet Wagner's music keeps going, for hours and hours (14-16 of them, depending how quick or slow it is performed), and when it is finally "over", the music comes close to the very key in which the whole drama began.
"Politicians are whores", you say. Indeed. If it were not so, we would haev to cease existing. Worse, there would be no art whatsoever.
Don't waste time by wishing a "chaste" or "pure" politician and politics. That's been tried and failed spectacularly (see Wagner). No matter who does the "whoring", 'twill be ever thus....
And Pres. Trump will remember.
Of course. Everybody will, in every party.
As The Fool says in "King Lear": Truth gets beaten like a dog, while the lapdog lies in front of the fireplace and us allowed to stink!"
My paraphrase.
'tis thus everywhere, all the time...
i love glenn greenwald.
Me too! He & Taibbi are the remaining lights. Pretty much everyone else with a microphone works at the Ministry of Truth. Western Civ is in a sad state of affairs.
Don't forget The Gray Zone with Mate and Blumenthal
Taibbi's pretty much outed himself as a pied piper for the DS. He's helping to keep the eggheads corralled and aiming to turn as many 'wayward' thinking intellectuals out as possible with those manufactured, switcheroo covert narcissist mood swings. It's really effective on the right-brained chicks. Stick with Glenn. For whatever reason, he appears to have honestly still avoided most of Leviathan's tentacles. That's no small feat.
I am a Conservative and will accept Biden as President. However, there are some things going on that may change some minds.
Why did the Trump campaign watch the election at the FBI?
Hint...Hammer
(Article on g news)
Why were the Scytl servers in Germany confiscated by the army? And why do we have our election servers in Germany?
(tweeter chain on VOAT)
How were 80% of 14M CA,
AZ, MI ballots proven to be fake by the DHS? (Brief)
And Dominion Software being investigated now for “glitches” showing votes switching to Biden from Trump.
We are not the monsters everyone thinks we are. Don’t you think all Americans deserve an election count with as little fraud as possible?
I hope so or our country that I love is gone.
Thanks, Glenn!
Looks like conspiranoid nonsense to me. If you think there is credible evidence of fraud on a scale that could, even conceivably, change the outcome of the election in a state, please lay it out in clear language, with specifics and citations. The fever dreams of partisans are no more convincing in this matter than were the idiotic and unfounded claims that "Russian interference" swung the 2106 contest.
Give me a break. The circumstantial evidence is growing massively every single day. The Democrats did everything in their power leading up to the election to spike all controls that actually insure this crap doesn't happen, so providing direct "evidence" is intentionally made very difficult, but between the sworn testimony and the "glitches" that all seem to go one way, there is a serious cloud of corruption over this election. This kind of sticking your fingers in your ears, covering your eyes, and screaming "there is no evidence" is actually partisan nonsense. This is exactly what liberals do all day every day to try to get over the news cycle of the exposure of their latest corruption.
>>> "Give me a break. The circumstantial evidence is growing massively every single day."
If that's the case, it should be easy for you to share some of it. Please be specific and provide citations.
Here you go, lazy person:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/mess-system-glitches-favoring-democrats-becoming-epidemic-across-swing-states-incidents-identified-today/
https://pjmedia.com/election/victoria-taft/2020/11/09/lawsuit-poll-workers-allege-voter-coaching-back-dating-cheating-occurred-in-detroit-election-centers-n1132595
https://therightscoop.com/new-sworn-affidavit-describes-biden-harris-operatives-in-nevada-filling-out-illegal-mail-in-ballots-outside-polling-location/
Plus there is always just the 4AM ballot dumps that all went one way in MI and WI, and spiked the counts for Biden, the weird recorded anomalous changes in vote counts where Trump suddenly lost thousands of votes and they materialized for Biden, the hundreds of thousands of ballots for Biden with no down-ballot voting, way outside of the statistical norms, the fact that Biden had zero coat tails while, for all intents and purposes, an actual red wave occurred, so Trump had the tails w/o the coat. It all adds up to massive election fraud.
Now you can wave your hands, dismiss it all as zero evidence, nothing to see here...you know, the typical, predictable liberal smoke screen crapola.
Well, if it is true... you see they are setting up, in case Donald wins in court, the - he stacked the court and they gave it to him as a payback! bullshit....
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣GATEWAY PUNDIT!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Which facts do you dispute, moron? Where do you get your "news", MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, The New York Slimes, the Washington Compost?
So, you cite a partisan website reporting on an attempt to revive a lawsuit that the court already dismissed for lack of evidence. Perhaps it would be wiser for you to wait to see how the court treats this new effort.
You might also want to consider that Biden's lead in Michigan is on the order of 150,000 votes, making the chances that even shocking numbers of fraudulent votes (if they existed) would change the outcome.
And then you throw in a laundry list of unsupported claims. As I keep telling you and others who share your position, you'll never convince anyone who doesn't already agree unless you get much better at persuasive argument.
Funny how the margin you cite in MI is almost exactly the amount of ballots that got counted in at 4AM 100% for Joe Biden.
There you go, exactly as predicted....you're dismissed. useless POS.
Demanding that someone defend themselves after you have sucker punched them and they are still lying on the floor getting their bearings is typical Leftist bullying. We all see you.
Al Gore had 37 days in 2000. The Trump campaign is working on it. The election was only seven days ago. I do find it surprising that the Biden camp is not supporting “count every legal” vote request but expect 71,000,000 to unify. That is not going to happen.
So, no evidence?
You're certainly correct that unification is not in the cards. There are a number of reasons for that, but the essential one is that Americans don't share a worldview or fundamental values. We're not going to come together, because the degree of compromise necessary to allow that to happen is effectively impossible.
Lots of smoke....lots of it...evidence is something you gather through discovery. What's the big hurry? What are you afraid of?
OK, let's use the term we use in criminal investigations: probable cause. Share with us the probable-cause basis -- the "smoke" -- that leads you to believe evidence of fraud on a scale that could change the outcome in any state(s) might be found.
And don't worry, no hurry. I'm waiting patiently for your response.
I posted it above, you will predictable dismiss all of it. I know libs like you. No facts penetrate. You have a desired outcome, and you will do or say anything to achieve it. You patina of patience is interesting considering you're in a massive big hurry to call this election over with. Several key states are within just a few thousand votes and could swing either way with challenges. There are about a hundred thousand votes total separating the candidates across all of the contested battleground states. That's nothing among 140 million votes. Again, I ask, what is your big hurry to call it over? What are you afraid of?
Too bad there isn’t one brave journalist out there!
Clearly you don’t work in tech, haven’t examined any of the FOIA and leaked docs about the voting machine hardware and software, have no experience with distributed systems, don’t understand anything about security or encryption or exploits.
Pointing out that using a heterogeneous collection of commodity garbage hardware, EOL’ed Windows OSes, shit like Access Databases, datacards with no chain of custody, unencrypted and unauthenticated communications channels, no penetration testing, no unalterable audit trail, closed, and unpatched “voting machines” is a disaster does not make you a “Trumper” or “conspiracy theorist”. Bugs exist, especially with no testing and in software written by rank amateurs using components wholly unsuited for ensuring the “sanctity” of our Democracy.
It’s not improbable that a data element displayed in a UI has a controller that doesn’t write the correct value to the model aka “vote flipping”. It doesn’t have to be malicious. It’s more than likely the product of stupidity and ignorance of grifters like Diebold.
Such events that change the outcome are entirely possible and even likely based on how porous and fragile this Rube Goldberg machine of “modern” voting is. The more vulnerable points that exist, the easier it is to make the case that there was fraud, even if the supposition is wrong. By using such a towers of steaming shit, you are handing the opposition credible paths of inquiry.
The polling this time around was useless and orders of magnitude incorrect, so using that as a reference point to disprove bogus results doesn’t hold water. Furthermore, it’s nary impossible to audit the votes in any meaningful fashion because of the systems not being explicitly designed to be audited or secure in the first place.
If a Republican attorney asked me to serve as an expert witness and render an opinion as to whether the results by the voting machines can be trusted, my answer would be no. And that answer has nothing to do with political affiliation or a desire to see a specific outcome. It’s based on a forensic analysis of how these systems are built to fail at their job.
If Trump’s attorneys had any brains, they’d attack this from exactly that angle. Haul the vendors in for depositions and elicit answers that create credible and reasonable doubt about the system as a whole. Toyota built software that killed people with unintended acceleration, surgical robots maim patients due to malfunctions, Therac-25 killed patients due to a race condition. And these are all systems designed and built by large teams where safety is the primary directive. Imagine how sloppy two dudes who know Excel, MS Access, and a little SQL would be?
Hand marked ballots, counted in public. That’s the standard that needs to apply. None of this tech bullshit. You eliminate hundreds or thousands of possible objections to the result by removing the weakest link — the machines and the software.
We voted on hand-marked paper ballots on election day in PA this year. And the 2.5 million mail-ins are obviously hand-marked paper ballots. So there shouldn't be any challenges to the PA vote.
Maybe we should require voting equipment to be built with open source hardware and software that both parties (and everyone else) can verify?The required functionality is not very complex.
And that Jeff is exactly how it show be done. It has the smallest attack surface and with observers the greatest transparency.
Counted in public with the results transmitted by hand and not through machines? If you’re just scanning what’s been hand marked into a proprietary hardware and software clusterfuck, there’s still several points of weakness.
True. But that means waiting weeks to count 7 million ballots. And thousands of human counters, each of whom is also a point of weakness. At least now we have the paper ballots which can be recounted instead of numbers on a voting machine. And only a few hundred scanners that need to be secured and checked for malware, rather than tens of thousands of voting machines.
Back in 2000 when the hanging-chad disaster occurred (actually the REAL disaster was the Rehnquist court getting involved when it was CLEARLY NOT appropriate, but I digress), I was the lead of a 43 person team in the computer science department at UC Berkeley and we set ourselves to the unofficial task of figuring this kind of thing out.
We determined that it was not possible to secure an electronic vote, no matter what, presuming the requirements were BOTH that it had to be secure AND secret. However, we DID devise a means by which COUNT FORWARDING can be trusted. Here's how:
First, the COUNTS are NOT PRIVATE. So, everyone at a precinct - whether paid elections staff or volunteers - is present for the vote count, and a totaling document is created, format determined in advance along with ballot design, the numbers filled in, it's digitally "signed" via what at the time we called MD5, and today we'd be using SHA1SUM, or something even better, and everyone gets an identical copy of the totals everyone then present agrees was their count for that day. THAT total can be reliably sent anywhere and confirmed by all the staff present.
A simple web site / database pair can be easily created for the participants to ensure THEIR precinct's votes were counted correctly, and the entire tally is open to public purview.
The original paper ballots are still available for recounting as need be, but this removes the possibility of election officials higher up the chain changing the vote totals, such as swapping them between candidates as appeared to happen to Bernie Sanders, whose totals were likely swapped for Hillary's during the CA primary, for example.
And, the same basic strategy can be used all the way up the chain to the federal level, though there are some small hiccups along the way for things like removing local information from the totals as they rise to larger aggregations.
THIS would go a LONG way to helping secure our elections which, of course, is why nothing like this has been done, or likely ever will be unless we somehow get a Progressive President...
You should be able to verify them but we can look at Volkswagen as an example where even that is subject to tampering.
I don't have a clue how our election system, get up, algorythms, or whatever are in Germany. I'm very happy that you, and others are more knowledgeable of tech than I am. I do agree with you 100% on the paper/ink, hand counted ballots. I have read thousands of FOIA leaked docs over the past 10 years, and all I see is dirty, under handed, sleaze. Again, I have my own 2 specialties, which clearly you don't work in. Your comment made you sound like you were putting down those of us that do not work in the Tech Industry. Just a kind thought here to let you know it didn't read well on my end.
CPJ, that is existentially my position and you presented the key issues really well.
Zero tech is far superior to bad tech. Bettter yet, the people process the vote in an inclusive way. It's participatory.
>>> "Clearly you don’t work in tech, haven’t examined any of the FOIA and leaked docs about the voting machine hardware and software, have no experience with distributed systems, don’t understand anything about security or encryption or exploits."
;^)
Since when is evidence required BEFORE the investigation? This ridiculous demand to produce evidence before any investigation is complete is part of the “cover-up”. And where were all media demands for evidence in the Russia hoax? In the Covid hysteria? In the BLM riots over “racism”?
Exactly, it's a typical leftist smoke screen tactic.
OK. Just tell us why there should be investigations. You know, share your argument for probable cause. Be specific. Provide citations.
How about the DHS brief stating 80% of 14,000,000 ballots are fake! In 2016 Homeland Security developed a sting operation to crack down on election fraud. The ballots are encrypted with bitchain. I think this may have been used in all the swing states but not sure about that.
>>> "How about the DHS brief stating 80% of 14,000,000 ballots are fake!"
Never heard of that. Citation?
Hi Doug...here is the link: https://i2.wp.com/treeofliberty.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/onewire-clipping.png?w=749
Pres. Trump is going after the Deep State...lots of arrests.
I saw the DHS brief yesterday and need to find it.
Did you read the article before you wrote this?
"I am a Conservative and will accept Biden as President." Not much of a stretch for you. Biden is objectively a right winger if you look at his own words, policies, and actions. The two parties "are but two cheeks of the same arse".
Thanks for pointing that out to me. I can’t figure out what the heck he is.
ABSOLUTELY! Plus, they both fake opposition to placate us Peasants!
I find that hard to believe. If you look at his position on abortion,2nd amendment, taxes, etc he is very much a Clintonian democrat. Center-left, perhaps. Right wing? No way.
Well Greg, you are willing a victim of the D&R circus&propaganda complex. You have pointed out the culture war crap that both parties love because it keeps the shit heads in business and the partisan chimps screaming at each other across the valley.
Biden supported the fascist patriot act and the racist '94 crime bill. He has a long record of racist comments and support for segregationists. He was a major cheerleader for the criminal war in Iraq and has supported every war of the last 5 decades. The administration he was part of deported over 2 million people, bombed 7 countries (at a minimum), targeted 3 American citizens with drones, forgave the torturing war criminals of the Bush administration, prosecuted and persecuted whistle-blowers and journalists who revealed war crimes, and shoveled TRILLIONS at the pentagon and the capitalist criminals of wall street... all of these things are right wing in nature. There is a lot more but this should suffice. He is a right winger.
When are we going to get an explanation from the Democrats about how they managed to stop Russia from getting Trump in office again? Somebody should be eager to explain that heroic effort, I would assume.
Dont hold your breath!!!
I am a conservative and subscribed here because Glenn plays it straight as a journalist. (no pun intended) A consumer of news and information must work to find credible journalists in an ocean of hacks. In an age of easy and quick access it is increasingly difficult to find anyone seeking the truth or having temerity to publish it. You are doing great work and have opened my field of view to some different perspectives.
Amen to that. I’m in the same boat...
For those who want (sorry are sky screaming for) "evidence" of fraud, just take a look at the sworn affidavits in the MI lawsuit. Skip to pg 25... Exhibit A is pretty brutal. Now back this up with some CCTV footage, incidental phone videos, more whistleblowers and it will be pretty compelling. Faced with certain prosecution, you can expect more folks will 'give up the ghost'. Nothing to see here ppl, move along.
https://greatlakesjc.org/wp-content/uploads/Complaint-Costantino-FINAL-With-Exhibits.pdf?x44644
Also, Glen extracted $50 from my cold, conservative coffers (And I rarely "pay" for news) because I think he's one of the very few journalists left with an open mind. Bravo Glen.
I read it. Using COVID as an excuse for not letting watchers do their job. Never let a crisis go to waste, huh?
People who are OK with murdering babies aren’t going to draw the line at voter fraud. Those who have no other creed than winning are also not going to be guided by morality. I read it. It happens because they know that “journalists” will not work to expose them. Their local politicians will shield them. No lynch mob of conservatives will show up at their homes, work to get them fired from their jobs or physically assault them.
A foetus is not a baby. Only right wing religious frauds promote that.
Franjust now
I also have an MS in biology and a fetus in humans is defined as the post embryonic period which is about 3 months until birth. However, and depending on the source a fetus can exist outside the womb at about seven months, but may even be viable at 24 weeks, of course on a support system. Outside the womb it is no longer defined as a fetus, but a baby.
My MS in Biology says you are wrong.
More importantly, Yahweh and the entirety of human history says you are the fraud. Tell Ball and Moloch hello when you and Hillary see them next
a fetus is a developing human in the womb, a baby is a fetus that has gone through the birth process
It’s alive. At conception.
BrownBabyKillers of the democrat party don’t get to invent their own science or facts.
who said a fetus is not alive
all your cells are "alive", please dont murder your appendix!
Apparently you don't know your own religion very well.
Having not just read the Torah and both Testaments of the Christian bible, cover to cover in three different translations, I've also studied this reasonably well and here's what "the bible" says about this question:
Life begins at birth and, in particular, the "first breath of life". That bit I quoted is found more or less virbatem in the bible quite a few times. Nowhere does it say it begins at conception.
Please stop. You don’t know my “religion”. I doubt you know anything about anything religious besides the religion of atheism. Keep reading but, as I’m sure you know, being a religious scholar, your argument is from sola scriptura (I’ll wait while you Google that)................
the apostolic teaching of the Christian church has always been anti-abortion. Period. Forever. Another swing and a miss.
How about citing book, chapter and verse where it disagrees with what I wrote?
That WOULD "shut me up." But I already know you can't because I have read them and have looked specifically for such references.
Your inability to cite a counter-example actually does a good job of proving my point. So, go head, find a counter-example.
Ah, yes...as we Science students said, “BS - we know what that means.
MS...More of the same, PhD...Piled higher and Deeper.
When does it become a baby, scientifically speaking? Please enlighten us, Einstein.
Also, Sidney Powell posted a long list of states showing large numbers of votes lost and switched on twit. So sad for America.
The deniers deflect and switch to "yeah, but it won't be enough to overturn the results". They won't be pinned down by facts, nor the fact they can't actually tell you whether all of these disputes will be enough to overturn the results. They have an outcome they wish, and that serves the the axis for all reality.
these claims are not doing well in the courts
trump is a kook
Not that I think the GOP is any great prize, but the stench of hypocrisy coming from the democrats is choking the life out of US society. They destroyed the rule of law to hamstring Trump before he even took his oath of office. Filthy, corrupt bureaucrats were illegally spying on the Trump transition team and setting up process crime stings on his key advisors from even before he took the oath of office, and they're still doing it. They're trying to put General Flynn in prison for a crime they KNOW he didn't commit.
The audacity of democrat leaders calling for "unity" rings hollow when their standard mouthpieces are calling for Trump staffers and supporters to be added to revenge lists. In 2016, democrats proved they were poor losers. Now they are proving that they are even worse winners. The threats, the lies, the blatant double standards are wearing on the public's last nerve. Even if the vote counts are accurate, the years of lawless abuse of the FBI, intel services, the warping of whistleblower rules, the shoddy impeachment process, the slanted polls, the light speed calls of states for Biden before even 10% of the votes were counted and the extraordinary foot-dragging to call states like FL and TX that obviously went for Trump, half the population of the US will never consider Biden a legitimate POTUS. What half the country considers the democrat party to be is a privileged cabal of evil, lawless scum at the top and brainwashed, amoral conformists at the rank and file level who take orgasmic pleasure at hating their fellow Americans and doing them harm at any opportunity purely for profit and sport.
No giving up their guns. And people will begin to ignore any fascist double standard EOs delivered by Biden to punish the kind of people democrats hate for sport.
Ladies and gentlemen, polite is better. Don’t let politics steal your peace. I have been a dummy in that regard in the very recent past. Don’t let this stuff eat at you. By all means work for what you believe in and be angry when it’s just but work to avoid hatred and ad hominem attacks. It’s corrosive.
Saying "fuck" is not hatred. It's just saying "fuck".
By all means pretend to some bowtie wearing decorum but wearing a fancy suit and thousand dollar shoes while one invades multiple countries and murders hundreds of thousands of people based on lies doesn't make one civilised. It just makes one a poseur.
Please leave Obama, Kerry and Clinton out of this.
I don't think the question is what name can be applied to an individual involved. The question is, what's the best way to effect a change and build a successful society? Plenty of voters are swayed towards a side that one might not like by angry, name-calling, speech towards that side. One might find more receptivity to calling out the problems of the other side by not demonizing them.
My mistake.
It makes one a fucking poseur.
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You haven't heard what I have to say about the republicans yet, bud.
This is one of the many reasons there can be no joy in a Biden win. The liberal pundit and political class (and those who desperately want to join them) maintain a willful blindness to the hypocrisy and corruption of the 'leaders' they revere. And now they've got their own lying, war-mongering racist coming to the White House. Witness how they, with lightning speed, are already kicking progressives in the nuts and working to erase recent history. This is the only game plan they have, as they certainly have no intention of doing anything to help the millions of working class citizens they deserted in the 90s, and have long ago departed from the concerns of common citizens. They are happy to be returning to the great gas-lighting environment of the Obama era. And it sickens me. Past time we leave this party behind once and for all.
Hang in there! Do you think our President
would let our country be destroyed? Nope.
Thank you Glenn, for contributing your great journalistic talent, for your consistent courage, and for pursuing justice so steadfastly. I am truly grateful.
So, let me write my thinking here, out loud. We have State Sponsored Media, we have State Sponsored Elections, and we have State Sponsored Secret Intelligence Courts, that pick, choose, and ruin the lives of anyone they wish. The ABC agencies can now pick the leaders of our own country, and toss what is left of the Constitution into the deepest depths of the Ocean. Hmm-Kay. Looks too much like Germany in the late 1930's to me.
Yep! Google Deely Plaza...
If you like your Perpetual War, you can keep your Perpetual War. The War Machine triumphantly returns to Versailles. Oh, and by the way, Adolf Trump, mein furer, has less blood on his hands than Saint Barry Obama. For those hard of critical thinking, no new wars under Trump, including no destruction of Libya that left the place with open air slave markets and CIA arms running bases for their destruction of Syria.