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Brave Glenn. I have been disturbed by the constant use of the term "insurrectionists" when this has never been proven. Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes - this has just become a normal way to refer to PROTESTERS. There is a word for them - they are protesters. Did they disrupt violently? Yes. Have Democrats? YES. That is what you do in America. If the media tried to destroy Trump and them - lying about them being racists, etc. then they have every right to show their anger by protesting. Not violently but until they condemn the left's very violent protests how can they say this too is not allowed? And yet here we are. A propaganda driven state and an entire political party that used to stand up for civil liberties in full support.

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I see the 1/6 protesters as mainly a bunch of yahoos who interrupted a hearing (of overfed multi-millionaires) for two hours. I see the Leftists, who rampaged through hundreds of American cities throughout the spring and summer of 2020, killing multiple people including children, injuring many more, vandalizing, looting, committing arson, and doing 20 billion dollars of damage, often destroying the lifework and means of supporting their families of thousands of Americans. as insurrectionists.

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Maybe if you'd lived with the police unjustly targeting, threatening, terrorizing, and falsley charging and imprisoning you and your community you'd understand. They murder us weekly and more, 99.999% of the time it isn't even questioned let alone properly investigated. Your color/medical status and/or your money won't protect you forever.

Police terror will be your problem one day too, I can promise you that much.

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my terror Shaw3na, is getting shot in Chicago in broad daylight.Not by the police but by the gangs.

25 people were shot in a period of 10 hours here last week.. And the neighborhoods that are victimized by these black shooters are black.

But look the other way, Shaw3na.

Sick of this.

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Anna, you don't want to be one of the lucky 1721 people who were saved from "white supremacy" and the "Russians" and got shot in Chicago this year?

Chicago has solved the racism and police brutality problem so well that they have a dedicated website tracking each shooting per day/week/month/year:

https://heyjackass.com

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Yes this govt is waiting for you to demand they come inand help. That's why it is going on now. When you do the police wont be there so the federal teroops will come in AND STRAY THERE. You will have been suckered once again.

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Yes this is drug cartel revenge shooting. Didn't anyone see Chi-Raq. It will get worse as cartels move north from this open border. Then the black cartels will be up against the Mexican ones. Good luck there.

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Some of us have been fighting for police reform for years and years. Burning cities to the ground is not how you get it. The entire movement has been set back decades.

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Private security services are now a growth industry in the US. I'm sure that private security services will endeavor to provide much needed transparency and equity in how they safeguard their wealthy clients.

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Wealthy elites and politicians: Defund the police, disarm the population!

Meanwhile hiring private security, armed body guards and military fencing around the capitol while giving more funding to the capitol police:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-squad-enables-pelosis-massive

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The Brazilian / Colombian model

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And it is more than likely that the true aggressors and instigators aren't even civilians!

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Well, most State employees are civilians. Do you mean the aggressors aren't in the private sector?

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Agreed. Now even minor, common sense reforms are probably off of the table.

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Same sort of drivel that the Mattachine Society spewed after the Stonewall riots opposing thug policing. If “pretty please?” works…fine. If not?

The Founding of the USA contradicts your theory.

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Don't you hate it when your drivel is ignored, Pete? Here: I'll give you the attention you crave. But this is the last time.

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> They murder us weekly and more, 99.999% of the time it isn't even questioned let alone properly investigated.

Hyperbole much? Why resolve to hyperbole and lies if facts were on your side?

If you had only mentioned "failed war on drugs" which caused many blacks in prison, then I would have agreed with you and asked why are people still supporting the current Democrat party which played the major role in that war on drugs (Biden, Kamala) and still are by banning menthol cigarettes (preferred by 86% of blacks and 46% of hispanics). But you didn't. You went with the hyperbole lie version - "They murder us weekly and more".

Full disclosure, I am not the "back the blue" types as I believe spineless cops who only listen to what their boss tells them instead of upholding the constitution are the same ones who will probably one day arrive at your door step to disarm you to take away your guns - just like they did with arresting innocent business owners who just tried to make a living over the last year. You could hold a back the blue rally and police would stand by and watch as Antifa decapitates you and then curbstomp your severed head because it doesn’t have a mask on it. They would arrest you for going to church during "lockdowns" or for defending yourself against rioters.

With that said, claiming "they murder us weekly and more" is silly and hard to take seriously.

I researched this in 2020. These are also sourced from WaPo - as left leaning as they come. WaPo has logged all fatal police shootings since 2015 in this database:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

Despite their headline, the data tells you a different story. In 2019 there were a total of 999 killings. 858 shootings in which the race was noted. 405 killed were white, 249 were black. Blacks were significantly more likely to have a deadly weapon than a white suspect. Yet more white suspects were killed. There were ONLY 12 cases where the blacks were unarmed - 11 men and 1 women. 7 of these cases - the suspect attacked the cop with eyewitness or camera footage corroboration confirming it. Out of the rest - 1 was an apparent accident. 2 cases - the cop was charged. The others were ongoing investigation when I researched this last year. So simply saying "they murder us weekly and more" doesn't mean anything when vast majority of them were armed or attacked the cop visible on camera and witnesses. These are hard facts which media won't tell you.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

So despite being 13% population, in 2016 blacks committed 53% of murders, 54% robberies, 43% weapons offences, 38% of all violent crimes. Should the demographic committing 53% of murders not get expected to get shot? Should cops simply not shoot and get shot instead when the other person is armed or attacks them? Should Jacob Blake or Ricardo Munoz have not been shot when both were about to attack the cops with a knife?

This isn't even about racism as shown here that whites are arrested 71.0% for "Drug abuse violations" vs 26.7% for blacks, whites commit more rapes at 67.6% vs 29.1% for blacks:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

If this was about numbers lying because of some bias, why won't they also lie about whites commiting significantly more rapes and drugs? Obviously murder is a much worse crime than rape or drug and therefore more shootings for that demographic.

Also if we look at a diverse city like Philadelphia - residents are 44.1 percent black, 35.8 percent white, 13.6 percent Latino and 7.2 percent Asian.

Hispanics and then black officers are more likely to shoot an unarmed black suspect as compared to a white officer.

Stats for unarmed blacks shot by cops:

https://www.phillypolice.com/assets/directives/cops-w0753-pub.pdf

Page 32

Definition of OIS (Officer involved shooting) is on page 17

Definition of TPFs (threat perception failures) is on page 30

TPF of white officer against black suspect is 6.8

TPF of black officer against black suspect is 11.4

TPF of hispanic officer against black suspect is 16.7

Aka Hispanics and then black officers are more likely to shoot an unarmed black suspect. The claim that white officers are more likely to kill black suspects because of racism is complete bullshit. White cops are the least likely to kill unarmed blacks. (Stats for asian cops isn't available as it's negligible.)

As I have stated before, this is not about race - I am simply stating them because that's usually what talking points care about. We can complain about police brutality all we want but until we fix the root cause of the problem, nothing will change. When you have over 50 people shooting each other in Chicago over a weekend, you probably shouldn't be complaining about police brutality.

Blacks realize this and that's why eighty-one percent (81%) of black Americans and eight-three percent (83%) of Hispanic Americans want either the police presence to remain the same (a majority) or to be increased (opposite of what their often white "liberal saviors" want):

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx

One more thing - to get rid of bad cops - we should be doing exact opposite of what democrat policies encourage. Aka we should maybe look at removing police unions which are the reason bad cops stay protected. Same with teachers unions which let bad teachers stay around.

In summary, criticizing war on drugs causing blacks to end up in prison and this destroying families which leads to kids growing without fathers is a good step and we should push politicians to stop the stupid war on drugs and give full pardons to those who got caught with drugs (as long as not dealing drugs). But creating lies about "they murder us weekly and more" hurts your movement more than help it.

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Here's more.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

For 2020:

18 unarmed blacks were shot and killed.

26 unarmed whites were shot and killed.

10 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed.

For 2021:

4 unarmed blacks were shot and killed.

6 unarmed whites were shot and killed.

2 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed.

These numbers don't align with the narrative of "they murder us weekly and more".

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The way Democrats structured welfare was responsible for the destruction of millions of Black families. Democrat Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan warned his Party that this would happen, and was thoroughly castigated by the Democrats for his efforts.

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Yup. See “What Killed Michael Brown” by Shelby Steele and his son. Or read anything written by Jason Riley of the WSJ and Manhattan Institute. Before liberals started trying to help black Americans they were in far better shape. Since the advent of the Great Society households without the father present have gone from 20% to 70% or more. There is systemic racism in this country and it’s called the Democratic Party.

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Yep. Welfare and the failed war on drugs caused the biggest destruction of black (and white) families. Result has been 78% black kids born outside of wedlock as compares to 25% back in 1960s. The white numbers have gone up too from 5% to 25% now.

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Thanks for investing your time in the thankless job of collating statistics. Here's one more source very few 'civilians' (like me) know exists:

https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2020

Its called 'Officers Down Memorial Page' (www.odmp.org), and I first encountered it back in 2013, when I began actively researching media reports of "Cops shooting unarmed Black suspects." I wanted to find out if there was any truth to the alleged "systemic white-racism" narrative which Obama was actively promoting at the time.

In 2020, 366 cops died in the line-of-duty, 238 of COVID19, an occupational hazard. Most years, the average is usually 1 or 2 a week. Far more Black officers die every year attempting to arrest criminals, than 'unarmed Black men' killed by cops during an arrest. And almost without exception, those suspects were resisting arrest, which is the single biggest risk to the life of a police officer.

I wish these cop-haters could be required to sit down and read through the bios of the cops who have died doing their jobs. Ever heard the expression: "Suicide by Cop"? How does any cop know that's what they're dealing with before its too late?

I can't find the link, but I think it was in 2019, a police-woman responded to a call where a woman was standing on a bridge, contemplating suicide. The officer had managed to get close enough to talk to her, and was calmly trying to persuade her to come back off the bridge. Unfortunately, the woman decided to jump anyway. The police officer went in after her, tried to save her, and ended up drowning as well. By the way, that officer was Black. But her life didn't matter enough for any but the local media to report what happened.

Bottom-line: these 'Social Justice Haters' have no clue how dangerous and difficult it is to do the job our Police are asked to do. Just researching the subject and reviewing the real-life accounts of KIA officers is gut-wrenching. And yet, we're required sit by and watch these intellectually indolent adolescents tear down this country, at a time when the entire Free World needs 'The USA -- Original Recipe' more than ever.

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> "intellectually indolent adolescents"

pretty much.

Thank you for sharing that Officers Down Memorial Page. I will add it to my knowledge base. I am working on an article which I might include it in.

What did you mean by "KIA officers" towards the end? Is that a typo?

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Thats less blacks than were killed in a weekend in Chicago.

Which has all african american leadership. Just like Baltimore, Just like St. Louis, just like Detroit.

Notice a trend? These are all the DNC run cities in America that are on this list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

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All well said. Being a civil libertarian I have my own issues with police abuse of power, as well as prosecutorial abuse and a set of war on drug laws that has created a massive over incarceration problem. But the movement in 2020 was bull shit. Lie after lie after lie. Mostly by people who worked hard to elect one of the guys who created the very laws that created the incarceration culture, and his “top cop” running mate who did the dirty work. In that sense, BLM was one of the most effective psy-ops of all time. Incredible how utterly easy it is to dupe americans.

The poster you responded to is probably a plant practices in rhetoric

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Remember Glenn has an article pointing out that it is the same people who empower the police they are criticizing.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-squad-enables-pelosis-massive

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The job was to connect any meaningful law enforcement reform with unhinged radicals. It worked. Idiots like back the blue also rose up to blindly defend police who are nothing but agents of the state.

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That's why I criticized "back the blue" types in the beginning of my comment while also stating that "defund the police" are a bunch of scam artists.

How about this - we defund the police as long as:

1. Remove ALL gun/magazine/ammo control laws.

2. Elite politicians and celebrities don't get armed body guards either.

3. Politicians don't get to erect the military and fencing around the capitol.

4. Self defence, castle doctrine/stand-your-ground law fully enforced.

5. Duty to retreat is gotten rid of.

6. All tax payer money which is used for law enforcement is refunded to the people.

Then I will be okay with "defund the police".

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The wilfully ignorant are apparently immune to logic, facts, rational dialogue, or anything else.

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Yep, and unfortunately, a disappointingly large fraction of right-wing commenters here fit that description - willfully ignorant. (Many are simply propaganda / echo chamber victims, but in this day and age, isn't that willful?)

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Trans-alaskan pipeline will be ecological doom! LIE.

Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman. LIE.

Trump is a Russian asset! LIE. SPIED ON DURING ELECTIONS.

Trump is a Russian asset! LIE. PROVEN IN COURT.

Donald Trump Jr. knew about the DNC Wiklieaks leak before anyone! LIE.

The Russians are paying bounties because of Trump! LIE.

Jussie Smollett is a victim of a hate crime! LIE.

Trump cleared Washington square for photo-op. LIE.

Officer Brian Sicknick was killed by Trump protesters! LIE.

Glenn has written extensively about this.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/corporate-news-outlets-again-confirm

Despite all of this evidence of repeated lies for no reason other than to harm their enemies politically, you still believe the media and the DNC when they talk about their enemies politically?

ARE YOU ACTUALLY SAYING THAT?

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There's the patented Art Brock-like dumping of anti-conservative rhetoric in an article showing the DNC and FBI working together.

While I agree a lot of right wingers ignore facts, the vast majority of people who vote DNC have been willfully ignorant of the lies they have peddled for decades, that thankfully Glenn has been writing about.

Its been at least 12 years since he was pointing out the web of media lies the DNC spins, you still think they are pure and just? Wow. You still think they are a party to be trusted more than the RNC? You don't by now know they are both the same group of fucking shitlords just pretending they are enemies? Well I guess there is hope for you to get it in the next life, then.

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Shaw3na, speaking as one who's studied the statistics, and more to the point, literally thousands of hours of real-world video of these alleged 'racist cops in action', I can tell you: the BLM mantra is the biggest, most Orwellian lie in the history of electronic media. Orwell called these reverse-polarity-truths 'Double Speak', and the irony of it? He published 'Nineteen Eighty Four' in June of 1949, literally at the dawn of the electronic media age. Six months later he was dead, never knowing how perfectly prescient his final masterpiece would turn out to be.

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Yes it is. Fool me once sdhame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. But over and over and over decade after decaded and the black community NEVER GETS IT. And when a few do they get assassinated.

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They murder you weekly? No, they don't. Everyone in the country knows that doesn't actually happen. Move to Somalia. No cops.

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I agree with you, but 90% (me just guessing) of the damage and looting was perpetrated by bored, privileged, White middleclass children who are NOT or never were threatened by law enforcement.

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not in chicago

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I see black and white anarchists. The black I understand in the sense that they are disaffected. Mostly by flawed policy than anything else. The white kids doing this are sadly the product of indoctrination from our schools, public and private (see Dalton School madness). And these white kids have been taught to find a way to see themselves as victims somehow. We have reached a point of such affluence and convenience that kids have no sense of what real adversity is. Throw in a loss of the role of faith and they have a spiritual void to fill. Sadly I can see all these factors but I don’t see a simple set of actions to reverse it. To right the ship. Is beyond discouraging.

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Last summer, on at least 5 different occasions, I walked down to 'Antifa/BLM' protest-square here in Portland, early in the evening, just to get an idea of who these people were, and why they kept coming out night after night. Vast majority where white-kids. The driving force seemed far more recreational than ideological. It reminded me of 'Prom Night', or 'Big Game Night' back when I was that age (late '60's).

Lots of 'young-couples', or young-couple wannabes. Quite a few worried parents tagging along. Dressing up as Antifa-Storm-Trooper looked like a good strategy for 'getting laid after the riot...'

Bottom-line: most of these kids have no clue how or why they happened to be 'born at the top of the World', not to mention the price their long-dead grandparents paid to put them there. (Which is not surprising, since most of their parent's don't either.) They live in an electronic world comprised of memes, 'Likes', viral-videos, and no consequences.

Mother-nature has a tried-and-true solution for species that take their survival for granted.

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I don’t think you understand the actual principles of anarchy. It doesn’t mean lawlessness. But of course they don’t teach philosophy in school because it would lead to revolution.

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I understand what anarchy means. I am looking past the riots and seeing what their purpose is is to dismantle the American system. Replace it something else. Totalitarian.

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You play with words. Anarchy has one principle: no objectively stated and enforced laws, i.e. "lawlessness." It is the right endpoint of the political spectrum (100% individual license, 0% gov't.).

There is one other point on the axis that has lawlessness, in effect:

"L'etat, C'est moi." The "law" is whatever the Totalitarian says it is at any given moment.

I used to be more scared of the former. I'll never make that mistake again.

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You might enjoy this video of Michael Malice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSNLF3F7mlI

And another of Malice with Jordan Peterson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9HqHzA3atQ

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Not in Minneapolis. From last week: Riots After Wanted Felon Shoots at Cops and Gets Shot Dead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIyDRBYC6HY

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Kinda nuts, wanted felon shot, and we have protest. Cop shoots black girl with a knife, arm raised to stab another black girl, riots and protest. Including from noted societal observer Lebron James who continues to ignore the advice to shut up and dribble. It’s not our best hour. I think we are rapidly becoming the laughingstock of the world.

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I live in Ohio. There were no riots. Most people thought she deserved to get blasted. Again you can’t rely on the media to tell you the truth. They will turn one block into a city wide riot. And it’s also usually aimless whites kids who are the most passionate about this stuff. The locals are only there to get a free TV that might accidentally walk out of a store.

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Videos of the nationwide looting show that most of the looters were black.

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Oh, but now there's a federal holiday to try and smooth that over. No, nothing has changed in the communities affected by this prison-slave-labor harvest and they've just handed D.C. police a $1.9 billion dollar package.

It's fucking clown world.

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Prison slave labor? Rotflmao. The "victims" in those communities have reelected leftist regimes and politicians since the death of MLK. LBJ promised to make blacks dependent on the dhimmicrat party. He succeeded. Keep voting for those that want victims.

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The Democrat utopia, known for curing racism and everyone living happily ever after peacefully and prosperously has been run by Democrats since 1931:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_Chicago

There's no signs of them stopping it anytime soon because Democrats are working on the racism problem overtime. If I was a real white supremacist, I would keep voting for the same party again and again because this party has single handedly given the best gift to white supremacists by letting blacks shoot each other. It has kept Chicago so peaceful that they have a dedicated website to tracking shootings per day:

https://heyjackass.com

Looks like 275 shootings in 18 days this month. Democrats must be curing the racism problem very very soon. I guess it must be all those gun laws they must not have - oh wait - they have the strictest gun laws. Must be the guns from other places? Oh wait, those other places don't have the shooting problem. Ah, lets put more gun laws. 90 years of Democrat ruling must be coming to fruition very very soon. Or maybe, just maybe, Democrat politicians must be loving blacks getting killed - not surprising based on the history of the party.

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The nice thing about writing another useless gun control law is that you get to pretend to care and you do not have to do any actual work.

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What makes you think the police only do that to blacks?

The Watts riots in 1965 were started when a police officer towed a mans car that was legally parked. I've had an identical experience in suburban america without a minority anywhere in sight. Some of the police will fuck anyone they think they can get away with fucking. For hundreds of years that was minorities. That didnt however mean they were only fucking over minorities.

Not everyone plays the race card when they get fucked over by the man. Its not always racism, often times its simply "I have power and you dont".

While we are pointing this racist finger, do you think the African American mayor of Chicago Lori Lightfoot and the African American DA Kim Foxx and the African American Chief of Police Eddie Johnson were racist in allowing African American Jussie Smollet to go uncharged after his false hate crime allegations?

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"For hundreds of years that was minorities."

For hundreds of years, that was minorities (including Irish, Jews, Italians, Catholics, slavs, the poor, and a whole bunch of other "white-passing" people).

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I didn't write that.

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You implied it. Now you dissemble. instead of acknowledging the meaning that you KNOW most readers of your post would think you meant (and which I claim you DID mean).

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Go look up Tony Timpa. In august of 2016, he called the cops for help because he had schizophrenia and was off his meds. He was afraid he might do something crazy.

Five cops ended up pinning him, George Floyd style, for more than 14 minutes. When he stopped squirming and yelling, "you're gonna kill me!", they didn't stop pinning him until the ambulance arrived.

They claimed they pinned him because he was aggressive. They also claimed they stayed on top of him to prevent him from rolling or squirming out into the road.

The autopsy said he died of heart attack due to a combination of cocaine and the stress of the situation.

It took more than 3 years (2019) for Timpa's mother to pry the body cam footage out of the police department's kung fu grip, and she had to do it through a lawsuit.

The footage contradicted what the cops had claimed. Timpa was not aggressive, and he was very clearly unconscious after several minutes, and they continued to pin him. Once he fell unconscious, they started joking about him having fallen asleep.

On July 7, 2020, even after the body cam footage was revealed, a federal judge tossed out Timpa's mother's excessive force lawsuit.

Last I checked (which was January 2021), four of the cops were still on active duty with the same department, and the fifth had retired and is collecting a full pension. Meaning, none of them were even fired, let alone prosecuted.

Oh, and by the way, Timpa was a wealthy, white businessman. You can hear the cops mocking him (about yachts and country clubs) when checking his ID and noticing his upscale address.

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I have worked in the hospital and we had to subdue people 100x crazier than Floyd and Timpa. Nobody died. Police really have no excuse for these murders. It makes me sick when people defend the cops and then try to claim I don’t know what it’s like.

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That doesn't mean we should be sending social workers to calls about drunk driving / drugs driving / fake currency etc. Floyd also had 9 prior prison sentences along with one where he held a pregnant woman on gun point. A social worker wouldn't be able to do much other than get shot/stabbed.

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Did you subdue them with force? Or drugs? Or hospital security?

Can the police be trusted with tranquilizer guns?

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We had our own fully deputized police department. They were allowed to hold people down, but only we could apply restrains, give drugs. We'd usually start off with haldol and soft restraints. Crazier people we could restrain all limbs(4-point). Then if they are still crazy we can give precedex which will usually put you to sleep. But one person needed about 11 police and staff to subdue. He was able to break out of 4 point restraints. He was a danger to himself so we had to intubate and sedate him, which means we gave him fentanyl and propofol and put him on a ventilator. Nobody died because we were trained about prone position or forcing someone up against a wall. Hitting someone was unacceptable. I've been punched, spit on and pissed on. The we had strict protocol for checking on restrained people, offer toileting hourly, assess for injuries etc.

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Minor correction--almost 14 minutes, not more than.

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Every shitbag who wishes that people would obey them and/or have no human decency - the police force is where they go. Ruins the reputations of officers who don't have these character flaws.

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Sure. Same with pedophiles and teaching, coaching, boy scout leaders, etc.

Here in Canada, we have psychological screening that attempts to keep those people out.

I know, because I had a (shitbag) boss who failed the psych test to get into the police academy. He had a bachelor of criminal justice, AND he was Chinese and fluent and the Vancouver Police were actively seeking people just like him. They have a huge Chinese population there. Being fluent AND being Chinese (looking the part) were MAJOR points in his favor.

His personality? They said "no thanks."

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"Ruins the reputations of officers who don't have these character flaws."

Those officers who have their reputations sullied in this way did it to themselves by NOT turning in / reporting, ensuring firings happen of those who shouldn't be wearing the badge.

When they fail to help get rid of the "bad apples", they become bad apples themselves.

The whole apple cart is rotten. Time to start over.

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"They murder us weekly..."

"They" and "us" are Blacks, not police.

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I think you’re a crime stats to prove what you say is completely wrong.

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Shaw3na,

There are by far more blacks killed by other blacks, than blacks killed by white police officers.

Your personal subjective opinion presented as objective empirical fact is going to cause a lot of backlash by others who really do understand what is going on.

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I have. It is not pleasant and can be very dangerous to your health

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What community is that? I hope you don't mean the "black community" because that community kills more blacks in one year than any other does in decades.

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Blacks dont like to think that blacks kill more of them than whites do. They are in denial about their brothers. I used to do therapy at HELP Inc in Philly and I saw a lot of drug dealers on probation forced into therapy. I used to harangue them for addiciting their brothers and well all that goes with that. I wasn't about helping them feel better I was attacking their integrity, their willingness to "kill" imprison their own. I made them read Fanon and if they wouldn't I read it to them. The Black. community does not know their own history and getting the schools to teach it is more worthless than worthless.

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And here’s Janet…the Great White Saviourette.

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Ad hominem attacks are not helpful to the dialogue. My dad was a cop in a large urban city during the 1960s and corroborates the sort of reaction Janet is describing. Not that I have a solution, but not very productive to dismiss someone's life experience out of hand simply because it may not fit your personal narrative.

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She is saving many more than your nihilism is, M. Pete Needham.

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Am assuming you were too young to even watch. But what are you doing now? That is whgat is important today ot typing snide comments

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Fair enough. Would you prefer no police at all? Honest question.

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I would be okay with defunding the police as long as:

1. Remove ALL gun/magazine/ammo control laws.

2. Elite politicians and celebrities don't get armed body guards, private security either.

3. Politicians don't get to erect the military and fencing around the capitol. They also don't get capitol police.

4. Self defence, castle doctrine/stand-your-ground law fully enforced.

5. Duty to retreat is gotten rid of.

6. All tax payer money which is used for law enforcement is refunded to the people.

Then I will be okay with "defund the police".

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Police aren’t even good at their jobs. There are better solutions.

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Ok your other comments were mostly sane but this one is silly.

From AZCENTRAL, as of 2014: "On a national level, this equates to 2.5 million contacts per day, 75 million contacts per month and 900 million contacts per year.

The vast majority of police-citizen contacts are handled without incident and when force must be used to gain compliance, it involves minimal to no injury in most cases. Is it a far stretch to think that out of 2.5 million contacts in one day, maybe 10,000 of those contacts involved cops who went the extra mile to ensure a positive outcome?"

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2016/08/12/police-officers-positive-work-crane/88410664/

Considering there's been less than 50 unarmed people in total (of all races) who died from cop shooting each year out of 900 million contacts, I would say most police are doing a pretty decent job.

This is why last year, despite the propaganda, eighty-one percent (81%) of black Americans and eight-three percent (83%) of Hispanic Americans want either the police presence to remain the same (a majority) or to be increased:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx

Btw, I have shared stats in a prior comment and also made it cleae that I am not "back the blue" type but I also don't think we should be lying about objective facts.

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David, I may be the only person here that wants to know what you think. What are the better solutions? I don't mind cutting police overtime to save tax dollars, if there is a better way. I have an open mind to this.

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Currently police are nothing but agents of the state. They don’t work for us. That’s a lie. They only are only accountable to the State and don’t protect us. They will come collect your body though after you get killed so I guess that’s a start. They don’t stop your car from getting stolen either. When you leave things to the state, there’s no sense of community. Nobody watches out for each other. We’re not allowed to defend ourselves. To start you can beta test non state police in small high crime areas. The people elect and manage all safety officers who would come from the local community. The community would also vote on which laws they want enforced, mostly violent crime and theft. No more random stops and searches. Instead police would cruise the neighborhood actually serving rather than “policing” and enforcing stupid laws that lead to confrontations. Some idiot drinking too much or a hot head might need to go somewhere to dry out. Local people will know if the situation needs to be escalated or if people need time to cool down. Since I prefer a community that values labor rather than production of consumable goods for a big corporation you could hire more safety officers. Blockchain tech would also allow people to safely leave anonymous yet verifiable tips to give the local safety guys heads up to potential problems so they can be prevented rather than just responded to. Sometimes just being visible prevents problems. When people care and don’t seem like an extension of big brother things get better. People are products of their environment.

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Amy, it's time to flip the script on them and expose their hypocrisy by calling out the bluff: I would be okay with defunding the police as long as:

1. Remove ALL gun/magazine/ammo control laws.

2. Elite politicians and celebrities don't get armed body guards, private security either.

3. Politicians don't get to erect the military and fencing around the capitol. They also don't get capitol police.

4. Self defence, castle doctrine/stand-your-ground law fully enforced.

5. Duty to retreat is gotten rid of.

6. All tax payer money which is used for law enforcement is refunded to the people.

Then I will be okay with "defund the police".

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Exactly: If police are NOT part of State, then every individual must be their own police. Hmm...sounds like anarchy.

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I've walked a thousand miles in these shoes and been put in the slammer. Vietnam resistance was no picnic but not as deadly as it would be today. Now they throw you in with Covid positives to make you sick. I was dumped out at 3 am in North Philly with no car, no ride, no taxis no nuttin. Just my two. feet in the dark silent streets of Black America gettoland and I am little and white and a woman asking to be accosted and raped. So that's how they punish you.

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That’s pretty heterodox language- Black America ghettoland, White woman accosted and rape. You’re asking for it with that kind of language.

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Gettoland is not just black. I came from a white one.

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Be 4'11" white young girl dumped out in North Philly at 3 am and feel how safe you feel with no way to get home to west philly just BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT A MOVE T-SHIRT (as a protest) and got arrested for it. RJF I bet you would have just driven by.

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Ok, got ya ,I believe you, terrifying and done on purpose by the police, you are saying they put your life at risk. I’m just saying those words together in a single sentence are deeply dangerous for you, forbidden and incendiary, you might want to proactively apologize.

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I had no idea until today how much that time and my anger about it was lying inside me festering. HOw Wilson Goode the first black Philly mayor and a contender for high office in the making was set up by local and state govt and police to DROP A BOMB on MOVE on Osage Street then that blew them up killing men women and children - a few suirvivors have written about it and BLEW UP THE ENTIRE BLOCK OF A BLACK COMMUNITY and everybody has forgotten it. And Wilson Goode was archived into nobody land after that. Completely ruined as he was blamed for letting them bomb OSAGE STREET in west Philly. dont get me started. I know so much more about this.

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Antifa is still protesting every night in Portland, trying to burn down police stations with people inside and federal courthouses with no blowback from the federal government. But it's never covered by MSM.

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The BLM violence is being used to get the Black communities to beg for help. When enough of them organize and ask the govt to intervene the SWAT teams will come in, martial law may be declared. The police force is beinbg decimated so federal law enforcement can be the rule of the day. Like Hitler's storm troopers began taking over on Kristalnight smashing windows. This govt wants total control over us. No more chance for a poulist president again.

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Bingo

Someone who gets it. The Feds are intentionally looking to weaken local police.

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Yes. BLM is a "floating sign" on this. Weaiken the police and blacks will scream for help and "here come the saviors in federal attire and we will be under federal police, all of us."

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Except for crime was nearly double in the 1980s and 90s. Actual black people will not cry for help, the clown politicians will. If CNN is fake news, why do you believe everything they tell you about blacks and what we supposedly think? LeBron, celebrities and everyone on CNN lives in white communities.

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"LeBron, celebrities and everyone on CNN lives in white communities."

Those EVIL a-little-bit-less-white-today communities! Boy, that Constitutional freedom-of-association thing sure does get in the way of anti-racism, doesn't it?

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Well yes for decades, what do you think all the investigations and “Consent Decrees” are about? Consent decrees mean the locals or state pay for the Feds to undermine them - bypasses any appeal to Congress since the funding is not Federal.

Cute ha?

Politics is Power.

The Feds of course are jealous of the plenary policing powers which are local. They naturally seek them for themselves, so undermine the locals and make them pay for the abuse.

The Feds don’t suffer the consequences, the locals do.

A couple of years ago the Dem mayor of New Orleans got into trouble when he found out who pays - and the City Council did not want to pay. Instantly an entire series of media stories appear on NO police brutality.

NJ on the other hand caved early in 1997 and got the Platinum package- the cops can knock heads and not worry about bad press. Sometimes submission works, but you have to time it.

Politics is Power.

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100% about power

It still amazes me there are still people in the developed world who think when some young “exciting” marxist comes out clamoring for helping the poor that it’s about anything other than power. The young marxist is sitting around with his advisors with a shit eating grin saying “works every time”

The entire apparatus, whose participants common skill is pathological lying and manipulation, repeatedly con most of Socieity into think they are needed.

Adults keep buying into it over and over.

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You're definitely zeroing in the problem. The label-soup props up the notion we're discussing ideology, when in fact, we're just talking about mentally aberrant mediocrities, trying to punch above their weight-class. A more scientific diagnosis: Narcissistic control-freaks & sociopaths. (I wish I could put a finer point on it, but that's the best I can do at the moment.)

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I blame the "adults" more than I blame the confidence schemers.

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#OusmaneSembene made a film about this early in his career. #BlackGirl and it is superb.

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Agreed. This is all a set up.

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I live in a black community. You're living in a fantasy world because nothing you said is true. BLM is designed to agitate white people like yourself, so that you get distracted from the real issues. Nobody gives a shit about BLM in my area. White people and the indoctrinated sanctioned "black" people the media trot out to say inflammatory things to get you riled up, are the only ones who care about BLM. And it's apparently working since you guys wasted pages on a pointless argument.

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The greatest victims of the BLM movement will be blacks. As usual they are being scammed. The DNC has been scamming them for votes and support for decades.

Now you have a downright sinister Marxist movement who is looking to turn enlightenment principles upside down and race is just a false cover. Wake up you were being used like a pawn

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You aren’t black and don’t live in a black community. You just copy and paste the same drivel. Nobody gives a shit about BLM in the actual communities. Nobody even votes in the poorest neighborhoods because it’s pointless. Do you see any black people from the hood on here debating? No I see a bunch of angry white people ranting about Marxism. I tutor in my neighborhood. They don’t know who tf Marx is and they don’t care. BLM is just another tactic to distract white people who can’t seem to understand that the federal government does more harm than good. I see nothing but partisan bickering which leads to no solutions and perpetuation of the status quo. The government doesn’t care about your partisan BS. They play both sides. To them you’re no better than the negro in the poorest neighborhood. You’re dirt under their boots. But but just vote in the right people they say. Yeah how’s politics working? Positive change will not come through the ballot box, so I suggest you actually get out and get involved in your community and start changing things. Change never comes from the top. It comes from the bottom up.

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No, they vote 105% Democrat.

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That's usually how it is. 95% of the population usually doesn't give a shit. It's the vocal minority 5% on twitter which is driving the culture war. The woke 5% twitter mob which is followed by 97% of the registered democrat run media. Media uses this woke mob as if that's the regular majority but it isn't. They just use each other as useful idiots.

The rest of the 95% which is mostly ignorant and also spineless cowards don't push back against this woke mob. They are too afraid to get cancelled, so they follow whatever they are told. And that's how a society deteriorates. The 5% woke mob is winning the culture wars which in turn leads to teaching critical race theory nonsense in academia. That leads to universities becoming indoctrination camps causing "scientists" to chase social justice instead of actual science (calling lab leak a conspiracy theory was perfect example, 1200 scientists writing letters about how white supremacy is a public health crisis and therefore protests during COVID lockdowns is okay but anti-lockdown protests is not okay). Woke universities leads to graduates who go to big tech companies, media and other corporations which censor anyone who speaks against their woke nonsense. Hollywood and arts get filled with these wokesters who go on late night TV shows and spout the same nonsense. Ever wonder how 100% of the late night TV hosts all supported the Hillary? Since the sane people are now censored, wokesters are running 97% of the media, your elections become a farce because one side has no voice. When elections become a farce, politicians become even more corrupt. And thus the country falls.

It's all related. This is how you get things like the russiagate hoax, russian bounty hoax, you get scientists who waste 1.5 years calling everyone with a logical conclusion a conspiracy theory.

"A substantial group of scientists have now admitted they refrained from publicly acknowledging the evidence that the virus may have been engineered in the Wuhan lab. Alina Chan was one of those scientists. This is what she now says: "... it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists, so people didn't want to publicly call for an investigation into lab origins."

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/lab-leak-theory-science-scientists-rcna1191

Can you imagine the 5% woke mob causing major scientific institutions to abandon their critical thinking skills?

And while only 5% of the population is really woke, 76% of the democrat base has blinders on:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/321116/americans-remain-distrustful-mass-media.aspx

Media trust by Democrats is at an all time high of 73-76%. Independents is at 35% and Republicans is at the lowest 10%. Aka Democrats are buying whatever propaganda media is selling.

So unless that 5% woke mob isn't dealt with, no amount of "Change never comes from the top. It comes from the bottom up." is going to work.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Note that I don't disagree with you. I am saying that you are severely underestimating the power BLM and wokesters have.

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That poor argument “you’re nit black” isn’t going to work. It’s bull shit. The pigmentation in my skin neither validates nor invalidates an argument

As for the rest, you literally processed nothing. The BLM movement is what it is. They are OPENLY marxist and openly looking to turn the US upside down.

The fact that you concede that the same people who have plastered BLM all over everything and posted the signs all over the place - don’t know what the movement is really about - well that pretty much was my point. Processing yet?

You

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Wake TF Up

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Oops!

You write here:

"...just another tactic to distract white people who can’t seem to understand that the federal government does more harm than good."

That attributes active will to a tool, as if blaming a hammer for driving a nail in the wrong place.

No, what's happening, and has been happening since time immemorial, is that because government is the only tool that can restrain the impulses of the ultra-rich (ultra-powerful if you prefer), they actively work to "capture" and control government and set it to their own aims.

This is the whole idea behind democracy, which we do not genuinely have in the USA; if The People are in control, the many, then they can constrain the ultra-rich from inflicting the harms that they always seem to produce - which you note yourself with your "more harm than good."

What we have here is a "representative republic", in which the ultra-rich control who the representatives are and in that way retain control.

What we have to do to prevent or even undo the harms the ultra-rich create is take control of government ourselves, not tear down government itself; tearing down government itself serves the interests of the ultra-rich since that's exactly what they want - no constraints at all.

Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

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Its crazy but both of you can be right.

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Just an observation. I live in a gentrified yuppie scum neighborhood in Philadelphia adjacent to a neighborhood that has been home to working class black families since the 1950s. All the BLM signs are in the yuppie windows in my neighborhood. I don't think I've seen more than one or two in the black neighborhood. I don't know what people think, but I see the signs.

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Did you forget the Black Panthers used to sell the communist books to make money to buy shotguns? Read up on Bobby Seale and Huey Newton.

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I knew some. They were very intelligent people.

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Yes I too believe race is being usefd as camouflage, as a mask.

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Agreed, BLM is a win-win for the DNC. They rally the extremists in their base and when the extremists on the right oppose it, they label the entire right as racist for it.

On top of this the DNC then does nothing for minority communities and uses this same tactic every few decades. I mean name a single DNC-run city that has had good results. Real question. Why haven't we ever duplicated the success Tulsa had before their race riots?

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The idea is to keep the black community from being a black culture. The ideology of colonialism is established here. Do not let any culture remain. They must be fragmented. Do you really think if the Black. Panthers were active now that they would be allowed with their programs. When they spoke to groups they were enthralling. When they led adolescent groups you were astonished listening to how they did it and wished you had those skills. Walter Palmer of Philly was not a member but he was influenced by them and when he defused a bad situation where teens wanted to openly revolt at a negotiation compromise our lawyers had made with the city about the homes, Walter Palmer spoke to them with such force and verbiage to ensure they understood that the SWAT teams would take care of them for good. This was after the Panthers had been ambushed in their beds pre dawn and assassinated. They had been a major force to be reckoned with. I dont see anything even close with BLM. I do see hidden auithority in creating safe zones in the streets. And I can understand smashing and burning institutional. buildings. And I understand the looting so I am cursed with seeing the points of both sides and how riots can be manipulated depending on who manipulates them. They put Trump in a catch-22. He couldn't send in federal troops without antagonizing and losing the black vote completely and inspiring hate. and he couldn't just let it go on and. on without losing the confidencr of middle class blacks. That was a nice strategy to turn the hate on Trump. Really good strategy.

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The frequency at which this tactic is used is increasing. It seems we are reaching "constant" status.

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I've lived in a mixed community in West Philly. That is just my reading of it that's all. I do think that's what will be the outcome. I may not be correct.b Just understand there is no right/wrong reading to all this. If we can get out of the Binary Discourse we will be way ahead of our game now.

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They have started a war of liberal aggression. Of course you can't find this in history book but Union soldiers circa 1859ish often looted southern plantations. Deflowering debutantes at an alarming rate

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Oh! You were there!

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I am a descendant of a deflowered debutante. Billy Yank apparently used the old "Hey you want see my horse" bit on her. I was told that we were slightly scorned during reconstruction. My great-great grandpa was not allowed to join up with Nathan Bedford Forrest due to trust issues concerning yankee bastards. Based on the stories of his life there was really no reason not to trust him. He was a strong christian white man if you know what i mean.

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You mean 1869 right?

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Nope. Soldiers were on the same side for the most part in 1859. Northern soldiers stationed near plantations were responsible for this carnage. The southern gentlemen that would later become Johnny Rebs were typically not allowed to attend Cotillions due to class issues. And they knew better than to lurch around outside at these functions. Most northern boys didn't understand the repercussions for sullying an impeccable lineage.

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Pity that you slaveowners lost, eh, Mack? Sucks to be you.

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i believe your timeline and my branch of the family don't quite jive. my 5 year old great-great grandpa attempted to purchase a fishing buddy in 1864. He slapped that cash down on the barrelhead but the men at the market just laughed at him. And my great-great-great grandma, the deflowered debutante, was hardly a debutante. Dixie fuckin trash that did not give a fuck. Family had no slaves but they sure helped her out with her new invention. Hairspray. She had stolen a fancy dress from a clothesline 2 towns over and crashed the Cotillion. The other girls were either getting suspicious or jealous so she slipped out in the parlor to smoke. That's when it happened.

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A quick glance at the clothes and shoes we wear shows we are ALL slave owners. This whole word "slave" has become meaningless because almost everything NOW depends and originates from slaves.

Even fair trade products, lovely though they are, depend on stolen resources and big oil and slave made computers and phones to be purchased and delivered. Can we get real just for a change????

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Just to clarify, M. Mack, to whom does "They" refer?

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I believe it was the leftists destroying the cities last summer. I keep losing the line that links to the original comment. I should have used "those people" instead

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That is what I thought you meant, so I can now "heart" you without regret.

btw, I would have questioned the object of "those people" also!

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While I unequivocally condemn the violence that did occur -- whether initiated by protestors, counter-protestors, or police -- you are substantially overstating it. The protests were mostly peaceful. I can find no reports of children being killed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests

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The "mostly peaceful" protests led to weak-willed elected officials taking anti-law enforcement actions that have resulted in an explosion of violent crime across the U.S., taking the lives of multiple children. It is easily detected by those not willfully blind.

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But the comment I replied to claimed that the protestors themselves killed children, not that the protests indirectly allowed them to be killed by other people.

Glenn always seems to be arguing for the importance of the truth even when it fails to support our preferred narratives. It is interesting to me that so few of the commentors in here seem to take that message seriously.

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I read both the comment to which you replied and your response. I stand by my comment. When the cue ball hits the six ball, causing it to impact the two ball and put it in a pocket, it counts.

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Well, the world is a little more complicated than a pool table. Anyway, I'm not saying the protestors bear no responsibility for these deaths; they were a predictable, albeit unintended, consequence of the protests. But they weren't _part_ of the protests; they weren't committed in protest of anything. They're just ordinary murders, committed by people who calculated, probably correctly, that they were more likely to be able to get away with them since the protests had the police on the defensive. To count them as part of an "insurrection" doesn't make any sense.

But I don't think the Jan. 6 riot counts as an insurrection either.

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There was a 16 year old shot to death in the CHAZ/CHOP.

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This is my first day commenting, and i saw most people here just want Glenn to confirm their biases rather than challenge their beliefs. Glenn is seasoned enough to see through the partisan noise and realize government is all the same.

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Welcome to the forum, M. David. I have been enjoying your well-put opinions, and I hope I did not offend earlier when I called you an anarchist. I think I was wrong, and I rescind the charge. In any case, you get to define yourself, of course.

About your point here concerning what I believe most refer to as "confirmation bias," I have found that to be natural and common on most all forums attached to expository journalism. I have found substack forums to be much, much better at posters recognizing that most all is opinion, and therefore to disagree, even very strongly, with "agree-ability" and substance, as opposed to ad hominem. I think you fit right in!

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From left leaning source WaPo and TheHill: "Over 90 percent of protests this summer were peaceful, report shows"

So 10% were not peaceful. 10% is a VERY BIG number. Especially considering only 12 anarmed blacks died from cop shootings out of millions of positive interactions with cops. Or considering the number of gun related deaths is negligible compared to over 400 million lawful guns in America.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/515082-over-90-percent-of-protests-this-summer-were-peaceful-report-shows

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-united-states-is-in-crisis-report-tracks-thousands-of-summer-protests-most-nonviolent/2020/09/03/b43c359a-edec-11ea-99a1-71343d03bc29_story.html

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Very, very big number. Consider that the Floyd protests were the largest in US history so that even suburban folks were marching their streets. All those folks went home. But in our largest cities, where protesters easily outnumbered enforcement, as soon as the sun went down those protests became riots. Damn near every large city took a hit.

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But very unevenly - fun fact: Nordstrom in downtown Seattle saw methodical liberation of the merchandise (broken in, looted, vandalized), while the Amazon headquarters - 4 blocks away didn't even see its carefully manicured native plant landscaping trampled. It would be Russian/Iranian/Venezuelan/Cuban/Chinese/North Korean propaganda from me to suggest maybe there is a "follow the money" reason to it?

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Sad to say the credibility of wikipedia has been totally undermined by Leftists (much like the 90% of "journalists" who are Leftists).

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Neither of those are "Leftists", they're neo-liberals, and there's a substantial difference.

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Do you have credible evidence that this particular page is inaccurate?

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finally someone is thinking about the children

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That's because you're a partisan, which is stupid. Both examples are people driven to protest by whatever BS prevailed at the time, and some, in each camp, got out of hand, as individuals in mobs often do. That's it. Sometimes a banana is just a banana.

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What if the banana was if FBI-sponsored?

Maybe some irony here but banana republics are called just that because of the creation of actual... banana-producing puppet-governments.

United Fruit comes to mind.

Are these protests being fueled by and used by our own government? I mean, it IS their calling card around the world, you know.

What does that have to do with partisanship?

If it affects people across voting lines, religious lines and ethical lines... well it's by definition a universal issue.

I would think that federal agencies creating bogus events and directly manipulating information presented as "news" to wrestle power out of peoples' hands would be called treasonous.

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The only violent death on 1/6 was the murder of an unarmed white female protestor. You don't care about the because she was white and female. But the murders of black cops throughout 2020 in city after city are somehow equivalent? We see you dishonesty.

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Lol.

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Don't discount the Black Flag provocateurs. Exhibit A - WTO Toronto 2010 events.

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Wow! Holy moly! Somebody said it! A follower of Glenn Greenwald made this statement. I’m not being ironic I agree with this 100% .

Left and right don’t mean much anymore do they?

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Certainly a huge fraction of the people who comment under Glenn Greenwald articles are clueless about what is "left" and conflate it to mean liberals and neo-liberals.

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I think many agree with you all. over the world. I can see justification of both sides. But I am cursed that way.

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They were basically a bunch of drunk tailgaters. I’ve seen worse after a college football game. It wasn’t an insurrection in any serious sense.

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Methed up tailgaters maybe.

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Some of the tresspassers were, I am sure.

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You've seen cops beaten half to death at a college football game?? Name the college so I know which Bumfuck U to avoid like the plague.

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Oh maybe you didn’t get the latest. Including articles from GG on this very topic. The MSM falsified virtually everything about the Jan 6 clown show.

Even if a single cop was beaten, it wouldn’t make it an insurrection or anything even remotely close. Don’t be part of the lies. Don’t falsify to push your narrative

I’m not a trump supporter, didn’t vote for him, didn’t care for him. That doesn’t mean i go along with lies

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You know what I see people missing is at least on January 6th they went to the seat of our federal government to protest what they saw as the font of their concerns over government overreach, deep state. The BLM/ANTIFA riots were in communities, damaging innocent businesses and injuring innocent bystanders. There is a difference.

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With the exception of the clowns who paraded through the capitol with no particular objective - everyone else was protesting an out of control, corrupt, lying, parasitic state. Not only is that peaceful it was people with integrity do. They defend themselves from the state that is taking over their lives.

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Don't tell lies.

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No police were beaten. One died from a stroke that evening, Sicknick. He was not hit with anything, nor was he beaten. Don't lie. We see your propaganda for what it is.

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Actually Sicknick died the next day. Had texted his brother the night of Jan. 6 to say he was ok. How long did it take for the govt to actually tell us what he died from allowing the BS claim that he was hit with a fire extinguisher by a protestor go on and on and on and on. Disgusting!

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😜🤡🤪

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Really people should be peacefully protesting, but I agree with you entirely otherwise. The impression that over 600 violent protests and a good handful of attacks on federal buildings was overlooked for much of 2019 and even described by the media as "mostly peaceful" but that the Jan. 6th riot was an "insurrection" is unforgivable.

So.. they make a federal holiday called Juneteenth and pat themselves on the backs for moving ever-forward toward Utopia. While people see that, they're passing $1.9B law enforcement packages so they can crack heads.

Meanwhile... the cities are still prison-labor farms rife with despair. I'm not buying it any more. I do hope that more people stop buying it as well.

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Protestors interrupting congressional proceedings is a common occurrence. They're usually from the Left, actually. In this case they were let in by Capitol police. If we want to talk about genuine threats to elected officials, we should be talking about James Hodgkinson shooting at the softball practice. Yet we did not hear much talk of blaming all Democrats or the politicians who egged him on after he tried to murder numerous congressional Republicans.

All of the BLM rationales apply. It was only a very small percentage of overall protestors who did anything, yet what was not representative of BLM protestors was suddenly defining of Trump supporters. Trespassing and property destruction became insurrection, even as BLM's declarations of autonomous zones was not.

I believe it was WaPo of all sources that recently printed a reminder of the Democratic protestor invasion of Wisconsin's state capitol in 2011 - an event in which thousands flooded the building and congress was forced to evacuate through tunnels, preventing a vote. Efforts to murder politicians were plainly spoken then, and the media only celebrated them as heroes. This precedent, like so many others that led Trump's supporters to feel justified in reciprocating, has been memory-holed.

BLM violence has frequently been justified by the good intentions of the rioters. Even left-wing people I know personally have said that the difference between BLM and January 6 was the righteousness of the cause, which to them makes the former noble and the latter treasonous. But to a person on the other side of the aisle, precisely the opposite is true. Which side is correct is not a "settled science" that we can adjudicate with. Then again, given the bastardization of the term "settled science", maybe that's exactly what it is!

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not only Mich. Ave. was torched last year; black and latino businesses all over the city of Chicago were destroyed by BLM. No insurance.

They torched the Ronald MacDonalds House with kids inside.

Oh but it's for the cause.

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Well said, JD

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Trespassers in jail for months!!

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If you live in the DC area it's hard to be anything but a statist.

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Democrats have hunted republican representatives.

A BLM "protestor" has recently been hunting random white men.

The names are part of the same process. Before you can persuade people to slaughter other people you first de-humanise & demonise the targets. You're right about the state but you're not yet quite up to speed with what they're doing.

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You desensitize them to horror with words and images and then they can watch with indifference. Or participate with indifference. Hitler and Goebbels showed us how. Easy.

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Goebbels's propaganda machine was terrifying. I still find it hard to believe how easily he created and enforced his information blackout, and combined it with disturbingly effective propaganda saturation. When the Wehrmacht rolled into Poland, the troops really believed that they were there to save ethnic Germans from the murderous Poles and that they had just been attacked.

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The belief levels can be overstated. The Nazis themselves knew there was significant grumbling and anti-government jokes circulating even during times like the invasion of Poland.

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Ah but the trick is that even if some people believe all of it, many people believe some of it, and a few people believe none of it, everything is going to plan. Sure a lot of Germans were skeptical of a lot of the things they were hearing, but they probably did not expect every single thing they heard to be an outright fabrication. There is a difference in thinking things are exaggerated and realizing they are complete bullshit.

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I've done a lot of reading on this topic recently; area of interest for me, my grandfather dropped a ton of books on the topic on me back in the 70s when I was just a kid (along with a dog-eared copy of "The Campaigns of Napoleon", but I digress). Anyway, the latest scholarship on this has changed quite a bit over the years. Immediately postwar, the interest of most accounts was in making all the servicemen feel better about what they'd done by making the Nazis out as evil in all regards. Goebbels as purveyor of lies comes from this era. My grandfather was one of those servicemen in Europe in WWII. Though he would have been open to a reinterpretation of Goebbels.

The truth is a lot more complex. Goebbels was very interested in having his propaganda be effective. About the only thing he was more interested in than that was having Hitler give him the adoration he craved. He was the only intellectual amongst the Nazis, making him more interesting than the rest. He also left behind a daily diary he kept from the early 1920s on. Some events we have no corroboration for but Goebbels' diary.

He realized that being inaccurate and being caught in it was corrosive to the efficacy of his propaganda. So he insisted on accurately representing factual things such as where attacks happened, rough casualty amounts, and the result (as in retreat or advance). He insisted on reporting these first, before the Allies. His logic was that he wanted to present it first, in his own context, before the Allies could. He might suggest that the brave soldiers who were lost in Tunisia in mid-1943 were German heroes and their sacrifice would assure German victory in the long run (he actually did say pretty much just that). That was his wartime definition of propaganda success. And looking at his press dispatches, you can get an accurate enough account of how the war was going, at least up until the very end.

The thing was, even with all the care he took with presenting accurate reports, many people disbelieved even the accurate portions of the reports. Old SPD and KPD members, and people who had just tired of all the bullshit. He blamed the Jews for a lot of stuff and while it varied by week and month, it got tiresome i'm sure, especially since most Germans couldn't figure out how the Jews were doing all this horrible stuff to them. They'd been divested of their wealth and turned into pariahs and most knew they were being killed off in the East...

Anyway, I recommend the Evans trilogy and Longerich's biography of Goebbels for more information. He's really an interesting person, far more interesting than Stalin or Hitler, really.

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No cell phones, no internet, no modern transport, no free journalists. Peoples were MUCH more isolated then. Germany was raped by her Western sisters, her population was made easy prey.

Hopefully we give the Statists a harder time creating their "Fourth Reich." (Unless you count USSR/Putin)

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Don't worry, the Chinese Communist Party has been trying to adapt it to the modern internet world.

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Yes, I thought of pointing that out. It seems to me that a Totalitarian State SHOULD have a tougher time getting so powerful today, which makes the CCP's success so much more the scarier.

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Auschwitz Memorial tweet: | Nov 26, 2018: When we look at Auschwitz we see the end of the process. It's important to remember that the Holocaust actually did not start from gas chambers. This hatred gradually developed from words, stereotypes & prejudice through legal exclusion, dehumanisation & escalating violence.

Gina Carano got cancelled for saying something similar by people who have forgotten history.

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I remember when I visited Dachau. It left a profound impression on me. The sign above the entrance saying "work sets you free" was a kind of disturbing I cannot describe. Of course it still did not prepare me for when the 16 year old me stumbled across a copy of "The Rape of Nanking" in a local library. As I grew older and read more history, I learned that crimes against humanity were not the rare events we like to think of them as. The Holodomor, the Armenian Genocide, the Killing Fields of Cambodia, the list really goes on and on. It is stupefying dangerous to pretend that only one group and one ideology was capable of it.

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Very few people know of these things. The massacre in Rhawanda was sparked this way. And the ignorance of this history opens the gate wide open for it to happen again..we are seeing it coming now with the convergence of 1 party, police power, and media propagandists.

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The Rwandan thing did not end there. I would suggest you look up the Great African War or sometimes called the Second Congo War. Hardly anyone knows about it, but it was the deadliest conflict since the Second World War. Hell, while we are at it, the Taiping Rebellion killed more people than the First World War. Yes, you read that right. Hardly anyone has even heard of the deadliest conflicts before and after the Second World War.

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The Mongols killed a lot of people too, including razing and depopulating (murder) a city with over a million inhabitants at least once. Localized conflicts usually don't get much press, and the Taiping Rebellion was a purely Chinese phenomenon.

That said, the fact that the Taiping leader stated he was the brother of Jesus Christ is quite interesting.

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The contemporary media have learned all of Goebbels' tricks. That said, even Goebbels himself realized that his propaganda had diminishing returns after a while. People box their ears at propaganda eventually regardless of how you couch it. His refrain to the German press was to "stop being stupid" and write more interesting entertainment articles to counteract the people tuning out. But no amount of "interesting" material makes a constant diet of propaganda palatable.

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"Work sets you free" is a poor translation. The verb is macht, to make. And the sentence is shorter - it's not "Arbeit macht sie frei", which would be "work makes you free", it's "Arbeit macht frei", which, without interpretation translates exactly as "work makes free,"

In German, which is a fluid language, just as English and all other languages are, I think a better translation is "work makes freedom", where the verb, makes, can be understood in multiple ways simultaneously, from "create" to "transform" - you get the basic idea here.

Anyway, a sick joke? Surely sick. A joke? I'm not so sure! As you say, they worked them to death, and that was the only way out, so in a certain way of looking at it, death was freedom from the horrific life the camp inmates suffered through. So in a sense it was literally true - call it a prediction, or maybe a promise.

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It depends how you classify people, but over 50% of the "admitted" prisoners at the Nazi KL were ultimately released back into German society. Until mid-1941, even Jewish people could obtain release.

That said, there are caveats. Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec were not KL, they were extermination camps (not run by the SS, strangely) where everyone sent there died. The three camps probably killed over 2 million people amongst themselves. Auschwitz killed 1.7 million, mostly exterminated without being "admitted" to the camp itself.

Auschwitz was originally built to intimidate Poles in the vicinity with short-term forced labor. "Arbeit Macht Frei" should be considered in that context, rather than what it later became.

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Actually I try not to get involved with CONTEBNT in order to stick with the MESSAGE. It is far worse than anyone thinks at this time and I am really afraid.

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Within minutes of the siege all the networks, save one, had labeled the incident an insurrection. All of em, at the same time. And before the incident occurred all the conversations were uncomfortable discussions about the massive losses the Dems had taken in the house and in state legislatures. The siege was a gift to the Democrats. The narrative was suddenly turned from Dem failure to fear mongering over the siege. And we’re also supposed to believer that the FBI can’t figure out how tall the supposed pipe bomber is, and that he magically disappeared. Something doesn’t smell right.

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"The siege was a gift to the Democrats."

Yeah, they gave themselves a gift.

Who were the big winners on Jan 6?

Trump and his supporters lobbied hard for senators to join house members in the planned objections to the electoral votes of 6 states. One house member and one senator objecting means 2 hours of debate on the floor of each chamber.

That would have been a total of 24 hours of reading the arguments and the evidence of election irregularities into the public record directly in front of the American public.

The Capitol was evacuated 20 minutes into the first debate (Arizona). When the joint session reconvened, all the senators rescinded their support for the objections, and that was that.

On top of that brilliant "stroke of luck" for the Democrats, the "insurrection incited by Trump" gave them another run at impeachment.

It also gave the "new boss" the justification to purity test the military for "radical right wing Trumpists" and other undesirables (read: conservatives), and to mobilize a "war on domestic right wing white supremacist possible terrorists."

Which basically means surveillance and potential prosecution of anyone who openly supports Trump, the Republican party or any "far right" group, such as Patriot Prayer or the Tea Party.

The plot against Gretchen Whitmer was foiled before it could be realized, which is what these operations are supposed to do.

But this plot? Yeah, the undercover agents and confidential informants just let it go ahead as planned. There were no sting operations on Jan 4, rounding up the conspirators before they could launch their assaults on the Capitol. There were undercover agents and confidential informants AMONG THE "INSURRECTIONISTS" WHO BREACHED THE CAPITOL.

They let it happen because they wanted it to happen. Because if it happened, all their problems would be solved.

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Sounds totally logical to me. I honestly immediately wondered what Dems knew the minute they moved like lightening without any questions or investigations what so ever! Too crazy!

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And we know who was in charge of the Capitol police. Apparently many police had no advance warning, despite that there was multiple warnings.

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Changing words is a strategy.

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Glad everyone has picked up on insurrectionist AT LAST! That's how they do it. Notice how "stealing the election" got ytou bvanned from twitter and facebook PRONTO!

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