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Not only have Democrats (I won't say 'liberals', because I *am* one of those, and this is wildly illiberal) become unprincipled, I'm not sure that they know what a principle is, or have any care at all about seeming to adhere to any. I hate this situation, but the truly despicable thing is that no one other than Glenn seems to have any concern about it. People need to stop being concerned about Glenn going on Fox and start being concerned that it's the only outlet that will give him voice.

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I once heard Glenn say (to Matt Taibbi?) something like "Look, I'll go anywhere that will have me on. I mean, look, I'm on your show! I think that ignoring people who disagree with you is a terrible persuasion tactic."

And, as usual, Glenn is spot on.

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You can see that excerpt with Taibbi in two parts, here:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1218586409944088577

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Jan 26, 2021Liked by Glenn Greenwald

I hoped that somebody would have a link to it, didn't expect it to be you :)

Great article as usual!

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Glenn and Matt are two paragons of courage and journalistic integrity. I am so grateful for both them in their own unique, quirky ways.

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Same. You'd think that at some point we'd stop the ostracism of the only people who were right about Russiagate (shouts to Aaron Mate), but clearly that's not going to happen.

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It's just a crying shame that we're down to basically just two real journalists left working today. Substract them, and how would our media be any different than Soviet media circa 1964?

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Kim Strassel of the WSJ. She's more on the op-ed side, but she's well researched and crisp.

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Well, if you count out Assange... Krystal Ball, Chris Hedges..... I'm sure I could go on; it's not a long list, but it's more than your two.

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There isn't just two, you are just a slave to major media marketing. Check out Rob Wolchek in Detroit for a what a real investigative (non-political) reporter looks like.

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This is true that Gg and MT have integrity and why this Right winger pays for both.

Mind you I’m only right wing if you divide all mankind so.

But what does journalistic integrity get us? Talk?

They came for the blah blah etc and I said nothing because I was not blah blah; well dearies, saying anything meant they came down far harder on the blah blahs, which is why Holland had the highest western Europe slaughter and Denmark the least.

Western Europe; in Poland the intellectuals, clergy and nobility were wiped out first.

Talk is useless, worse than useless in such times, and if we keep wasting time talking it will be that bad very fast.

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So appeasement isn't the method for dealing with shitlords trying to grab power? Someone better tell the pussy ass American electorate.

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"Did you ever stop to think and forget to start again?" Pooh.

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Is that link available outside the very tech institutions we are all criticizing? I'd prefer not to give them the click traffic.

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Isn't google considered part of the monopolies suppressing free speech? Asking for a friend...

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I guess you are asking that since google owns youtube, why is GG posting his content there?

you would need to ask him that, and in a straightforward way.

my guess is that he will answer that using largely unknown "alt" platforms is career death.

what you are doing is like saying "air is polluted" WHY DON'T YOU STOP BREATHING

or WHY DON'T YOU BUY CUSTOM BUILT COMPUTER CHIPS MADE OUT OF OAT BRAN AND YAK BUTTER IN SOLAR POWERED FACTORIES TO STOP OPPRESSIVE, GLOBAL CORPORATE POWER

GG isn't a purist weirdo about "radical" ideology stuff, he works on the basis of both principles and pragmatics.

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Right so to help Glenn and others break the big tech stranglehold, I need to click that big tech link and give them traffic? What is next Glenn, are you gonna start hosting your articles at NBC?

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What kind of a retarded, asshole sock puppet are you?

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classic! thnx

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I see Glenn on FOX, and recently saw him on Tucker, expressing the same views he expressed here. Tucker was totally receptive to what he had to say, although I think the presence of the national guard is an anti-Trump display for the upcoming impeachment hearings, but certainly other things do reflect America's more authoritarian stance on issues, like free speech, free choice, so it's certainly okay for him to appear on FOX if he so chooses.

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From my experience, Tucker Carlson listens carefully to people who have serious, as opposed to reflexive, positions on issues.

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Tucker is a true classic liberal, free speech champion. Liberal can span left or right. Can those on the rigid left claim the liberal mantle? Funny, that conservatives are the liberals of today.

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Thank you for this clear and intelligent point.

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It is neither.

The various forms of the "far right" have always wanted the "FreeDumb" to be able to exploit and enslave other people.

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Several years ago Tucker himself said in a CSPAN interview that "most of the people on the show are morons"

That is the definition of "infotainment"

He is in the entertainment business. Part of his contract is presumably a clause that allows him to occasionally make important statements about important topics outside of the usual scripted idiocy that is tailored for right wing boomers sliding into dementia.

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Many, many younger people are watching Tucker. Funny how truth doesn't discriminate and appeals to both young and old.

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re: Infotainment

"MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE SHOW ARE MORONS"

- Tucker Carlson

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Tucker used to bicker a lot more with his guests and enforce brevity to simplify and distort their views.

He also ran bizarre controlled opposition with his co-hosts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0WQTBKKBA

It was a weird show then, but remember this was a time when Jon Stewart had the most popular liberal news show. Since the news media collapsed into unhinged unanimous globalist shilling, Tucker found a new niche for himself as an actual journalist. For better or worse the "liberal sherpa" is no more. To me he seems today very legit with guests he disagrees with, helping them say what they came to say instead of interrupting and flustering them, proxying the objections of his audience and giving the guest a chance to respond thoroughly instead of trying to overwhelm them with sophist attacks so they look terrible in front of the audience. I think he does it right, and that today he's pushing back on the brevity constraints of cable news that inevitably distort discussions instead of leveraging them.

Charitably, some who refuse to go on Tucker might not realize he has reinvented his niche, but my honest opinion is that they know it. Willingness-to-Tucker today is a litmus test of whether someone's working with ideas vs. working PR networks, shilling to suck up to power, climbing from forced narrative to forced narrative. The latter person won't ever speak in an equal setting. They'll always be holding the microphone.

I don't know if it was a litmus test in 2017, but in 2021 I think it is.

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He is also big on:

- showing his conservative audience where they have common ground with liberals,

- putting boundaries on the extreme end of his opinion (like Greenwald did here by repeatedly qualifying the difference between active military and national guard), and

- making bids with his credibility ("on this show we will always ____").

I think he's a big asset to the nation, for now. . .

. . . with the qualifier that he's already reinvented himself once. I'm big on allowing people to reinvent themselves. It's a humanist side of America, brings out the best in others, is usually a good place to spend our generosity. but if the stakes become high we should remember, he could do it again. As long as he stays in show business he can reinvent himself as many times as he likes, and I'll just try to keep up.

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Call me naïve--but I believe he's the real deal. Someone who has hit his stride. Perhaps he had a 'reinvention' but it's one I truly like. He's brilliant, really. Not at all like others--on any network-right or left.

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Carlson lets out a few things here and there. However his father Richard Warner Carlson (or regular old "Dick" because he as such an average guy) has Intelligence markers all over him.

- Born a Boynton (Boston Brahmin)

- US Navy

- Banker

Then, the kicker!

- DIRECTOR OF THE VOA FOR 6 YEARS

So Carlson's father was literally Chief Propagandist for the United States.

Carlson does let out a few truths. But if you watch him carefully you'll see signs of insincerity. With this guy, be sure to take the crunchy with the smooth.

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I grew up in a military family and have various friends from high school in the DC area (watergate scandal era) whose fathers were VOA, FBI and other govt agencies.

I can't recall one single person out of a group of about a dozen people in my peer group that are right wing. Everybody is centrist or center-left.

Of my west coast college peer group, about 50% are progressive-left, 25% libertarian, 25% centrist.

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That proves it!

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RETARDED ASSHOLE TRIBALIST

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One of my high school friend's father that was in VOA is Turkmenistani, originally a refugee that escaped Soviet communism after WW2.

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Jeez, more proof?!

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Tarred and feathered by virtue of genes. You fair-minded guy, you.

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RETARDED SOCKPUPPET ASSHOLE TROLL TRIBALIST

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Hmmm... Dad was Chief Propagandist...Tucker gets nightly "open mike" on network owned by Billionaire Murdoch with ad time bought by Big Pharma....Do you really think TC is off the leash? Go back to sleep and enjoy!!

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Totally Agree

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The NG are show of force to suppress dissent, to my personal shame.

It was an evil choice to force between faith to comrades in danger vs suppression of right to assemble. Positive guilt of which can be placed at the top (state) but shaming nonetheless.

If you think you can do better, show me.

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If you are saying it is shameful in terms of how are national guard is being used, I agree.

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Exactly what I am saying.

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The primary mission of the US military is to defend the Constitution, including the Federal Govt and its physical buildings.

The Jan 6 2021 rioters were attacking the Constitution (amongst other things, such as behaving like a barbarian horde).

The US military is the only entity with the responsibility of protecting the Federal govt. There were multiple levels of failures of planning/communication that led to the 6 Jan 2021 rioters gain access to the Capitol building complex.

That said, the D party establishment is clearly abusing their power.

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The primary mission of the military is NOT to defend the Constitution it is to protect us from foreign enemies. It is the mission of the Supreme Court to defend the Constitution. Sheeesh.

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Good news, that poster has left the building and we can now continue with mature conversation.

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I would ask if you are daft, but that would be a rhetorical question:

Oath of the Commander in Chief:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_president_of_the_United_States#Text

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Excerpt:

Clause 1. The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;

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https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/section-2/clause-1

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You are right that there needs to be less of a stranglehold on the media. One had hoped the tech revolution was going to change that, given how their "visionaries" spoke. Once we saw things like Apple preventing users from repairing the own phones or even daring to try to sideload apps, it became 100% obvious the tech overlords were the same scamming bullshit artists the financial overlords are.

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This is simple repression, and they’re not very good at it - yet.

They need to be kept in their self declared green zone, come what may.

Really this is genuine panic on their part. Being sworn in surrounded by soldiers most reluctant and not enthused, to that creepy all flags crowd...whatever were they thinking. It looked like not an inauguration but a closed State Funeral for the Republic.

Well too bad, they can suffer come what may.

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I dont know any politician in any party that I could honestly say has principles. Any that I could name all would have the qualifiers of "except when<insert reason>"

Evrn wanting liberal values and principles followed through is not with the label of far right these days.

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In national government the only one close is Rand Paul. That's probably why he ends up on the short end 90+ votes in the Senate.

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Tom Cotton, Rand Paul would be two excellent politicians who have principles. Trying to think of some one on the left who isn't phony? Empty.

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Oh...like her or hate her...AOC sticks to her guns and her positions.

At least so far.

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That's an illusion. The positions are factional, and she gets them from instagram text-as-images posts and wears them like clothes. Because her constituents think the same way she looks like a real person, but in fact this is a Star-bellyed Sneech level disaster. Shills for globalist oligarchs would be safer to put in power than these irresponsible thin-skinned aggressive narcissists.

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I thought we were talking about principles not digging in. Principled people are truthful and judicious. They are not lying hysterics and duplicitous. AOC may be obstinate but she is anything but principled.

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Hmmm. There is such a phony "look at me, look how virtuous I am by being a thorn" vibe about her, but... she is consistent....

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Tulsi Gabbard seems close...

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Her 100% I didn't count her because she left office. She left the cesspool. She's amazing. We really missed an opportunity by not electing her. The has a Locals page to over at https://tulsi.locals.com/

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Justin Amash was principled.

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No. He is the perfect example of a libertarian who thinks that Libertarianism can be advanced by siding with the least libertarian political party.

If a voter (especially for POTUS) does NOT vote for the lesser of the TWO (& only two) evils, then, in effect, they are voting FOR the greater.

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I meant to start that last comment with "Yes"!!!!

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Thank you

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I'm sadly not surprised. The Dems have been projecting Fascism onto Trump and his supporters, but in true totalitarian style the Dems needed a scapegoat - and what does that remind one of? Hint: he had a silly mustache and used the Jews as scapegoats to create mass hysteria and militarize his country. After the 2016 election I began to see ugly behavior in people I'd thought of as liberal Democrats. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. But when people would send me emails about Trump being a Nazi and how any day now everyone but White Supremacists would be rounded up and put in concentration camps, I started thinking uh oh. Time to leave the Democratic Party, that this was turning into mass hysteria. The feminists had their pussy hat parades, followed by MeTooing every man who'd so much as looked at them fifty years ago, not to mention the Russian Collusion. By 2018 the hysteria about Gestapo boots stomping over Dems was in full swing. When I ran into a man I know and he started ranting about Trump being Putin's Puppet I said I didn't see any evidence of it, could he point to some? He put up his hands and angrily said “If that's what you want to believe then I can't talk to you” - a phrase I'd hear over and over again. A day later got an email from him calling me anti-Semitic. I voted for Bernie in 2016. Isn't he Jewish? But it got really bad during Covid (I live in CA). You couldn't - and still can't have a reasonable conversation about whether there have been benefits from all the lockdowns. The Dems I know would accuse me of “sounding like Trump” and say “the blood is on his and your hands.” Once I made the mistake of trying to be funny and said “I didn't know Trump or I knew each other and were Wuhan lab technician. The guy slammed down - or whatever you do with a cellphone. The Dems won't rest until they've punished each and every Trump supporter or even doubter of what they now stand for. I don't think the Dem Party is aware of how their emotions are being played by larger totalitarian forces and how this military regime will eventually turn on them.

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The lockdown trope is done. Biden stated he wants all the schools open soon, virus threat be damned. My Dem state which was mostly closed is announcing openings although we are in the Red. Just more gaslighting of the serfs.

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agreed! also its about destabilizing people - keeping them psychologically off balance. this is also a torture technique. i know it sounds weird, right? But think about it: captors will often alternate reward and punishment at random intervals. First you think your captor (who holds the power) is kind and trustworthy because he/she brings you a bit of good food or a book or allows you to bathe or go for a walk outside. Then without warning the same person strips you bare, takes away the mattress you sleep on, deprives you of light and heat. Repeat this cycle enough times and you become demoralized, confused, and submit, surrender to the will of the powerful. You make yourself numb and simply comply. I never thought I would even begin to think this way about the U.S. government and power structure. I knew it existed but never thought it would be this extreme.

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Thank you LorriAnn - I never thought I'd think this way either. I spent most of my life among bohemian liberal artists and writers who were polyamorous, trans, bi, gay, whatever. I started to see the parallels between Milan Kundera's Unbearable Lightness of Being where the bohemian liberals just didn't get it until they woke up to the tanks. But you're tight. This is an abusive relationship between the Dem gov't and any of us who remotely disagree.

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Great analysis! I'm contemplating quitting my career because the demoralization isn't worth the pittance.

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Katisha I am in the same place. I gave up everything I wanted to do just to follow success as it was defined by others. I make a good living working a Corp job I hate - more now than ever. I’m done and looking for a way out that will allow me to live a reasonably secure and decent life and keep my dignity and heart.

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I look forward to the future studies comparing years of life lost from COVID(actual COVID deaths) versus years of life lost from lockdowns. My hypothesis is that it will be MULTIPLE TIMES more(10-20x)

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Republican states were never lockd down.

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Inaccurate. 19 Rep governors implemented stay at-home orders. Viruses are real, novel viruses can kill or harm. Viruses should not be used to make political statements, and I don't care who is doing it! And both nutty wings of the same diseased bird are using this virus!

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The political article in the Lancet claiming hydroxy was “dangerous” constitutes a very sad chapter in the New Democrat totalitarianism. Retracted in shame after thousands of doctors cried BS, but it served its purpose- to slander Trump. Though the MSM loudly reported the fraudulent article, they somehow never covered its retraction. Sadly, even scientific journals have Been co-opted into the new woke orthodoxy.

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A new article in the American Journal of Medicine recommends HCQ, combined with zinc and an antibiotic such as azithromycin.

https://www.amjmed.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0002-9343%2820%2930673-2

"Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection"

"AJM is the official journal of the Alliance for Academic Internal Medicine, a prestigious group comprising internal medicine department chairs at more than 125 medical schools across the U.S."

And the American Medical Association adopted a resolution in October 2020 rescinding its previous (March 2020) opposition to the use of HCQ: https://theblogginghounds.com/2020/12/24/american-medical-association-rescinds-previous-statement-against-prescription-of-hydroxychloroquine-to-covid-19-patients-updated/

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I've sadly come to the point that I do not know what "science" to trust. Unfortunately we do not have free access to all the information needed to make our own determinations of the research quality. I recently watched one of the Dark Horse Podcasts that reviewed one of the latest articles in JAMA about asymptomatic spread. The breakdown of how circular the logic is in that article is scary. The hosts went to the articles cited to show that the logic used in the article is false and highly misleading.

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Wikipedia article on hydroxy is still stating it's dangerous when used to treat covid. Wikipedia has become overtly political IMO.

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To various degrees. Texas was flexible giving local officials some latitude in adopting stricter or less-strict rules depending on local circumstances. Some areas had no restrictions, others (mostly Dem controlled locations) some very restrictive. The "essential business" loophole was horribly abused generally crushing small businesses and letting large corporate concerns operate pretty much unfettered. We would have been better off (or no worse off) if we had followed Sweden's lead, protect the elderly and vulnerable but let most other activity go on with minimal restrictions. That's of course hindsight and we'll never know what if any difference in results would have been. We do have a pretty good comparison between states in the US (FL vs CA? TX vs NY/NJ?) but it will take time to sort through all the "data". Let's hope the vaccines work (Thank you, Project Warp Speed) and that as the virus mutates, it becomes less deadly (typical virus behavior).

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I would like to see Glenn take on the huge transfer of wealth from Main St to Wall Street as a result of the pandemic response. Others have, but mostly from the right.

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Yes. It will be documented by someone at some point. Just like the impact on suicide and other death tied to the lockdowns. Just a matter of time.

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What the real data apparently shows is that the biggest hot spots are hispanic working class communities (similar for black working class).

No one in the corporate media is going to walk across the "racism" minefield to tell the truth for fear of being "cancelled" by the woke twitter mobs:

1. black/hispanic low wage workers are subject to awful, shitty working conditions, lack of appropriate sanitation, etc.

2. low wage workers typically live in crowded and/or multi-generation housing and can't afford to, or can't physically, quarantine if they get sick.

3. low wage workers typically have no or low quality health care

4. literacy levels for low wage immigrants is low, there is difficulty in trying to discourage the social aspects of their culture

5. kids that like school and are good doing their homework get relentlessly mocked and ridiculed in ghetto culture

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Let's hope the vaccines stop the virus before it mutates any further!

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Sadly not likely to be stopped completely, but then again, that's the nature of viruses. A doctor friend says that typically they become more contagious but less deadly, and as they spread, they boost immunity. But to have vaccines that impart some immunity or lessen the severity of the virus, those are good things. Similar to what we do with the seasonal flu. I'm equally worried about the economic dislocation and the psychological impacts on our country. Lots to consider.

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one wing is much, much nuttier than the other which is why we are flying in a circle

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Which is exactly why freedom lovers must vote for the lesser of two evils.

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Your use of the single word sentence "inaccurate" sounded rather authoritarian. Will you please clarify your intent? Were you meaning to be so harsh?

BTW, interesting that you chose to delete some of your posts in our previous communication.

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Not sure I get the “walk back.”

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That was the way I interpreted it. Previously he stated that he wanted to make sure that all schools could open. Now, he seemed to be siding with teachers not wanting the school open.

I may have put my own bias into my interpretation because I am struggling with teachers pushing back on schools opening when the science is literally saying that there is very little spread in the school. For a group of people that, from my perspective, continuously say we need to follow the science, they do not seem to want to when it contradicts their goal.

I am open to hearing other interpretations.

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Wow! I have no idea why you are coming after me so dramatically. Sorry that I presented an alternative fact.

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You're expecting me to have read the Sun Times. Unrealistic.

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Lulu is simply pointing out that your statement was incorrect and providing evidence. You appear to agree that your statement was incorrect.

So perhaps move on?

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Sorry that I stooped below your dignity. If you have a strong opposing opinion you are free to speak it, my intent was not to offend anyone. Simply pointing out that Biden may not be pushing schools to open like you stated. You really seem to be reading a lot into my posting a link to an article.

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Your eyes are now wide open to the rigid left. They're certainly not liberal in the true sense of liberal. I've been watching with horror this take over of the media and large tech for years which has solidified recently. Never been so frightened about the road this country's following. Maybe more like you will see this? I can only hope, Polly!

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It was an absolutely ridiculous shameful four years. Everyone of those “liberal” Democrats should be begging for forgiveness. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

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Good response, Polly. Maybe this ongoing focus and ginned-up hysteria over the nonsense that we're on the brink of a civil war serves another purpose. They're in the process of passing a 1.9 trillion dollar "relief" package but the numbers don't add up. The US has a population of 325 million. If every person gets $1400 (which not everyone will) that comes out to 455 billion -- where's the rest of the money going? That leaves 1.45 trillion -- who's getting that? The details seem to be very vague.

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local and state govt, education, businesses, corporations, lizard people?

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hospitals and medical facilities

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Back to USSR. After 45 years in US where do I go now?

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common concern amongst nationalized individuals...

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The democrat masses have been so willing to go along with the finger pointing hysteria because they prioritize feelings (the desire to think well of themselves) over truth. People scapegoat as a way of projecting their repressed shame, onto someone else. That is why dems tend to vehemently accuse others of doing the very misdeed that they are doing.

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Polly - I posted my reply incorrectly. Should have been here. it's below Katisha.

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Agree.

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A horror as much as Japanese-Americans being sent to camps during World War II. We knew by the date of Trump's inauguration that the Democrats would accuse him and his associates of what they were themselves doing, and that did not cease. Ukraine? Biden was the real culprit. Voter suppression? Mail-in ballots had the same effect. Racism? Cynical exploitation of African-Americans and Hispanics. Systemic Racism? Condemn children of color to poor quality education and health care, consciously destroy the nuclear family, drive fathers from households and control the narrative that the measurement of morality was size of welfare budget. This ensured multiple generations of blacks would vote for old white Democrats.

War on Women? Democrats reduced women to a reproductive system, wouldn't allow them to choose schools for their kids, colluded with teachers unions to keep single parents out of the classroom, supported unequal pay identical to private industry in the Obama White House. Equality? The only thing measured is the result. If the result is unequal, the process was unequal. On behalf of short white men over 70 with breathing problems and no talent, I demand a proportional representation in the NBA.

Make it culturally impossible to cast a person of color as a villain in a novel or play. Every white person is a white supremacist, a xenophobe, a Nazi, a homophobe who wants to subject others to his Aryan rule. We saw that on display this past summer. This is a travesty of liberalism. Liberals are tolerant and most expand their circles of cultural inclusion to some who do not look like them and some who do not think like them. The Authoritarian Left has co-opted the term Liberal to mean despot.

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We want unity? To Democrats it means “Everybody submits to my will.” Years of being called homophobic, xenophobic, racist, bigots, full of hate, when it turns out that those consumed by hatred are the Authoritarian Left. Absolute intolerance of any other thoughts.

I want the words used to incite rioting included in the Article of Impeachment. It won’t be, because it doesn’t exist. It requires secret-squirrel decoding of the text to find the hidden call to violence. Gimme a break. Treason is a serious charge, requiring serious proof.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan, perhaps the greatest liberal thinker of the twentieth century, was prophetic in the Moynihan Report. Read it. He predicted nearly sixty years ago what has come to pass today.

Using troops as props for photo ops, then condemning them to a freeing parking garage with no food, no water, in sub-freezing temperatures, after questioning their loyalty, is nauseating, but par for the course among Democrats. I am not a conservative, I have never been a Republican. I was inspired by JFK to become a liberal Democrat in 1960, then inspired by Nancy Pelosi to become a liberal libertarian in 2009.

We’re seeing a coup. Republican lawmakers, now in the minority, will be reduced to a coffee klatch after expelling them from Congress. With both houses of congress and the White House, it will be easy to pack the Supreme Court and impeach Republican-appointed judges. When Ben Franklin was asked what he had created, he is rumored to have responded, “A republic, if we can keep it.” We’re losing it before our very eyes.

Democrat loons of the left have been emboldened. Make an enemies’ list, don’t let anyone who worked in the Trump administration get a job. Take the children of the white supremacists who voted for Trump and put them in re-education camps. Drive Republicans and conservatives from the public square, deny them a platform from which to speak. As a column in the Boston Globe recommended, waiters should poison their food. This has nothing to do with unity, and everything to do with totalitarianism.

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Well said. Up is down , down is up. And they call conservatives fascists? One look in the mirror and they'd frighten themselves--as the once liberal left have become the rigid authoritarians (dare I say, fascists?).

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no, technically they are left-totalitarians, as described by Orwell

Maoists, Stalinists

actual fascists hate communists and other left-totalitarians

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But Fascism, being 100% State control, is on the far LEFT (right on top of all those other 100% State control like Marxism/communism/Maoism/Stalinism/...)

(Anarchy, being 0% State control is on the far right.)

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The "like-minded" frequently hate one another, eh, M. e.pierce?

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He cannot help himself.

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OH LOOK!!!!!!!

Two lame douchebags trying to warm up some retarded, self-serving emotive groupthink!!!

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RETARDED SOCKPUPPET ASSHOLE TROLL TRIBALIST

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The only people that think "Fascists" are on the "left" are retarded assholes that twist words in grossly absurd ways in an absurd attempt to support some other equally ridiculous brain fart.

You are one of those retarded, brain farting assholes.

Monarchists are "pro-state" and on the "right"

Liberals are "pro-state" and on the "left"

Communists are "pro-state" and on the "left".

Anarchists were by definition anti-state and there are both "right-anarchists" that are culturally conservative and "left-anarchists" that think that local, mutualist-voluntary stuff such as "libertarian socialism" is a viable alternative to "pro-state" forms of govt.

Fascism is a regressive ideology that is based on hero worship, roughly along the lines of ancient tribal leaders who were also priests/quasi gods.

Mysticism that unites the heroic leader to the "will of the people" is what gave historical fascism its energy and revolutionary force. It rejected the intellectualism of Marxists and other leftist revolutionaries.

To be clear: one of the main purposes of fascism was to destroy the "left" as it was known then, from anarchists to communists to socialists to "liberals".

Marxism and Fascism both originated in Romanticism, which was anti-liberal and anti-rationalist.

Romanticism is probably at least partly rooted in the ("conservative") Counter-Reformation.

My guess is that the counter-reformation can be traced back to the supernaturalism of the Abrahamic and other middle eastern slave empires.

Liberalism can probably be traced back to the Greco-Roman rationalists/naturalists.

Thus, the rationalist-naturalist Greeks were opposed to the supernaturalism of their enemy, Persia.

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Monarchies, being 100% State control, are on the FAR LEFT, also!

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RETARDED SOCKPUPPET ASSHOLE TROLL TRIBALIST

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Technically right but what confounds this definition is that the "liberal left", which is really the neoliberal left, likes big corporations which includes the MIC. They like wars and huge military build ups. So this confounds the term since they are promoting a union between the MIC, big corps and the state..which by definition is fascism. Though they are for "left" leaning issues like identity politics a big portion of their *actions* are right as right can be. If you took away their rhetoric on gay and gender issues, all that would be needed is to dress them in brown suits and black boots.

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Mussolini, father of fascism, was an avowed fascist and a great admirer of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky. Trotsky called Mussolini his greatest pupil. Fascism is not about the right, its about state control. As Mussolini said, "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."

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Fascists were REVOLUTIONARIES that had become impatient with the slowness of "leftist" reforms.

Fascists obviously agreed with Marx (and other leftists) that "liberalism" needed to be destroyed.

However, fascists were as opposed to communism (international class struggle) as they were to "liberalism".

Your comments are an extremely stupid attempt at rewriting basic history, or at least partly obscuring the basic facts of history.

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Fascists (Mussolini/Hitler) came to support a nationalistic socialism as opposed to the international version. Hence the name, National Socialist German Workers Party. Fascists gained power through thuggish little gangs (brown shirts, black shirts) terrorizing civilians and business that did not fall in line with the rising authoritarian These thugs were the useful idiots, that Mussolini and Hitler shed after they took control of the military. These thugs were tools, NOT revolutionaries. To think of them as revolutionaries is laughable.

Try reading some decent scholarship, rather than memorizing WOKE slogans.

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You retardation level has now reached a new peak of idiocy.

The Freikorp carried out heavily armed street battles against communists for a decade before Hitler took power.

Hitler and Mussolini were mystics that reanimated ancient Hero worship cults in service of actual (temporarily successful) revolutions.

Marxists/communists were atheists.

Again, you are a brain dead buffoon and a cheap, silly sloganeer.

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Yes! Say their name!

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Your analysis is spot on. The MSM in the US is fomenting a form of mass insanity the world has not seen since the genocide in Rwanda. God help us.

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Nice summation. Thank you.

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You'd have to be an idiot to believe that the tens of thousands of "mostly peaceful" protesters who tore through our country all spring and summer, vandalizing, looting and burning down buildings, were Republicans. The ragtag bunch on January 6th were unarmed, didn't vandalize, didn't loot, and didn't commit arson. One policeman and one protester were killed. During 2020 many people including police officers and children were killed and injured by the "mostly peaceful" protesters. Twenty BILLION dollars of damage was done, mostly to small stores which represented the only means of support for their owners. The same Democrat politicians who refused to put a stop to the mayhem, are now sending this visual message to Americans that Republicans are dangerous. No sale.

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It only becomes domestic terrorism and insurrection when Fancy Nancy's podium is taken, not when entire minority neighborhoods are burned to the ground and police are murdered.

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Devil's advocate...one side is states, with the states being run by Democrats. Then there is the Fed, being run by Democrats. When you control both of them you can control the reactions.

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The old testament touched on this, Isaiah 1:23 " Your rulers are rebels, partners with thieves; they all love bribes and chase after gifts. They do not defend the cause of the fatherless; the widow’s case does not come before them"

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On January 6th, the police and the protestors were on the SAME SIDE, yet 5 folks died.

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Easy thought experiment. Imagine this is January 2017 and this is happening!! Your ears would be ringing with thundering, righteous indignation from the NYT, WAPO, etc. The left would BLOW A GASKET!! So why the double standards. Why is it being done now?? Who are the real Authoritarians???

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B-b-but to quote Don Lemon, "Antifa. Anti-fascist. It's literally in their name." Suuuurely we should trust the label on the box.

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Don Lemon is one of the most dishonest, hateful fools I've ever seen. That this contemptible idiot has any audience at all reflects very badly on the human race.

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I always draw those "on the other foot" examples. And you're so right--they would be blowing gaskets. But, I've come to realize--the left just doesn't care about the double standard. It truly blows my mind--but they simply do not care that they are hypocrites. They are. And we just have to deal with it--because in their minds, their causes are most important, so the ends always justify the means.

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Hi Char - these excellent videos by Peter Boghossin address just what you are talking about and are well worth watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlV9Tss9Rwc How Social Justice Silences

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiymUd9FjHA The Way Forward

The first video describes how and why they reject logic and act hypocritically, without shame. The second video is how to engage with them

I learned of Peter through James Lindsay, who is a very knowledgeable critic of post modernism, the philosophy that spawned these false ideologies. In the clip below you can advance to 42min where Linday critiques the leftist idea of "repressive tolerance" - this also helps explain the doubled standard/hypocrisy.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/video-a-new-leninism-is-gripping-america-james-lindsay_3659590.html

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Thank you for these links. Will be watching these VERY soon.

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Democrats will let your city burn all summer long, but if you put your feet on Nancy Pelosi's desk, the troops come out and the walls go up.

Anybody who has been paying attention should not be surprised at anything happening under Biden.

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So the lesson is, when in DC, keep your damned feet off the desk. Or else!

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Whoever's calling the shots in D.C. these days (Nancy Pelosi? someone in Joe Biden's ear?) is doing more harm to democratic institutions than any Trumpster ever thought of doing. I realize half the country has been dumbed down to the point that they're okay with these theatrics, but I don't think it ends well, for them or whoever's behind the curtain.

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Susan Rice

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She wouldn't lie... Would she?

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You reminded me of the Sunday rounds when she lied and lied with a straight face. Now, she's in charge of "equity". Yikes.

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Lying comes very naturally for her. And "equity" is post-modern Newspeak for, "Fuck you."

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And the dead horse you rode in on, which we're still going to beat with a dead stick for the next 2 months.

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Close, but no cigar,

But then again, close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, atomic bombs and slow dancing.

Who lives a short 15 minute walk to the White House?

Who lives a short 20 minute walk to the Naval Observatory, where one of the "most beautiful prosecutors in California I've ever seen" lives?

Only two President's in the last 100 years has stayed in DC after he left office, and Woodrow Wilson only stuck around because he was dying.

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Yuch! WW, may he still be burning in hell. (Are his remains in D.C.?)

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What’s the over/under on the next Susan Rice oil war? I give it 10 months.

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Day 2 of Biden..U.S. Troops are already rolling back into Syria. That didn't take long. Wonder when Pelosi is going to go back over and meet with the swooning young Bashir Assad?

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All in on under.

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$750,000,000,000 annual National Defense Budget and the Clampett's from Beverly Hills and the Duck Dynasty crew take the US Capitol in 83 minutes without a single shot being fired?

Does that about sum it up?

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Sadly there was one shot fired. Watch that video. Just sad and bizarre.

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Shouldn't be long till Raytheon and Lockheed are awarded contracts to defend WH rooftop. Maybe toss the solar panels and install an F-35C landing pad.

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LOL!

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Teeney-Meaney, you shore got down to the cement pond quick to commence cipherin'! Got her right, right quick! Attaboy; figured that one out!

(Jokes aside, though; about the most succinct summation, yet!)

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You're soooo close.

Now just go all the way and like the Oregon GOP call it a False Flag.

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America is now a banana republic, complete with an illegitimate regime backed by a mysterious, unaccountable oligarchy.

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What’s happening is shameful to say the least. There is no justification for this precipitous action in continued deployment of troops in Washington. The reason given is itself shameful in regard to an impeachment trial of a “former” president. It’s blatantly unconstitutional, such that the Chief Justice won’t participate. The Democrats and their allies are on a very dangerous roll here. How does this end??

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It ends with a show trial, or witch trial..if you prefer without a conviction. It ends with the NG Troops being sent home with Nancy Pelosi saying "see? I told you the NG troops would stop further violence."

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This whole thing needs to go to the Supreme Court for a constitutional smack down. Impeaching a former President who is obviously no longer in office, presided over by the ancient Patrick Leahy, is dangerously crazy. It needs to be formally ruled unconstitutional in no uncertain terms to put a stop to this from happening ever again. Otherwise we should trot out ancient Bob “Dole” to be president, since the US would clearly by then qualify as a bonafide banana republic!

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I suspect that Chief Justice PenalTax, profile in courage that he is, will discover that no one has standing to sue.

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Time for him to grow a set and take a stand for the inalienable rights of the people. He decided not to preside over this farce, so perhaps there is still some good in him, and he can find it in himself to rally in defense of his oath. The Constitution and its principles are far nobler than the base characters like John Brennan and his ilk. Mr. Chief Justice, there is still time for you to demonstrate “standing”, find courage, and take a stand in defense of your country!

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Roger that.

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There is a precedent that the Judicial Branch cannot become involved in an impeachment except as the Constitution allows. Any appeal to the SCORUS will be met with dismissal.

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True, at least as far as the trial in the Senate. However, in the unlikely event Trump is convicted in the Senate, he would have justicable claims to overturn the bar on holding federal office based upon the unconstitutionality of impeachment conviction after he left office. No matter what you think of Trump, the Senate is setting a horrible precedent by conducting this trial of a former president. What's to stop a future GOP majority house from impeaching a former Dem president in retaliation? Not one damned thing. Our political institutions are not perfect, but we've survived over 200 years with them. The rate office holders are going they may not survive another 20.

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With 45 Senators voting that an impeachment trial would be unconstitutional, it's now clear there is no chance for a conviction. It's now all theater, and a distraction from important issues.

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So, the political class that supports defunding of local U.S. police departments also supports the militarization of our Nation's capital for an indefinite period of time. That would be merely hypocritical if there were a real and present danger necessitating the militarization. However, the need for the troops is being manufactured by the elite media and their supportive sycophant politicians. That's not just hypocrisy. That's your Republic going over the cliff.

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True, but for years we've been watching government officials at all levels -- and even corporate executives -- lecture us about fear, xenophobia, and inclusion, while surrounding themselves with armed guards 24/7. This is just the next level of extension. An alarming one to be sure, but it's not a particularly new concept.

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I think we are in basic agreement here. Thanks.

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Using the military as state props, is a bad look and not likely to garner respect from the troops.

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I couldn't agree more with the sentiments and arguments expressed here. And . . . I couldn't be more tired of hearing them.

Of course these people are hypocrites. The foil here -- normalization of troops being deployed in our cities -- is just a vehicle to illustrate the hypocrisy. But at this point, it's hardly surprising. Black face was abhorrent until photos of Justin Trudeau and Ralph Northam surfaced. "Me too" was a thing when uncorroborated allegations were leveled against Kavanaugh; not a thing when corroborated allegations against Joe Biden or Justin Fairfax surfaced. Etc., etc., etc.

The vehicles are different; the hypocrisy is the same. The first question you ask is: On which side of the aisle does the accused sit? Answer that and you know what the narrative will be. There will be dozens more, some small and some large, in the coming year. I, for one, am tired of it. I wish it could be fixed; I don't believe it can be.

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Could not agree more. It just seems to get more and more inflamed. All this talk of expelling GOP members for lodging legally authorized objections to electoral votes, when Dems used the same law to make objections in prior years. Throwing around accusations of sedition and treason without factual basis. Honestly, I think the average american is much more reasonable than half the people in Congress in both parties.

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What I find most disturbing about this is not that the pols would do it but that the media has completely rolled over on it.

If this were a R admin, the entire press briefing would be about the troops, the supposed intimidation by the party in power and so forth. "Whistleblowers" would be trotted out as well as officials from the party out of power to explain how awful this all is. And, of course, how unprecedented.

And instead...exactly nothing...just straight up justification...as if Trump's impeachment trial is going to last a month (it isn't) or joint sessions of Congress (aka first SOTU) require military presence.

Sure, the (il)liberal party is driving the bus but the media is tripping over themselves not to provide proper context (because, well, you know, if you say something bad about Biden, people might vote incorrectly)

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"rolled over on it"???? Hell, the media are the tools being used to SELL it!!!

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Some are but not all. But none are actually looking at it in context...much less behaving as they would were the other party in power.

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Well I can assure you that Jeff Bezos, who received $600m from the CIA to purchase the WaPo for $300m is certainly helping sell the pack of lies. That was the CIA's first step in launching the coups throughout South and Central America to install our puppets - take over media outlets and dissemble disinformation.

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But Jeff Bezos is now a Republican. He strongly opposes mail-in voting.

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I'm sure this is just a coincidence after Obama made propaganda against Americans legal.

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When the echo chamber on the left spends decades convincing itself that contravening ideas ARE violence (the heart of the argument to censor the Cotton piece), and then deploys troops to protect themselves from offending ideas, it offers a hint as to their confidence in their own ideas.

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What are they all so afraid of? This isn't the way a legitimate government behaves. Maybe the election was stolen after all. I didn't have that thought until the troops and razor wire showed up.

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"I don't know if the Democrats stole the election, but I know they tried."

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/01/did-the-democrats-steal-the-presidential-election.php

They don't know themselves whether they stole it or not, but the repression is so out in the open it's unbelievable. Unless they want us to know they tried to steal it and plan to try again, to throw it in our faces that they got away with it, I don't understand their strategy.

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They’re afraid of disgruntled, desperate citizens with pitchforks or worse.

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I don't think they are afraid. I think they are loving the opportunity to grab more power. This is all about power.

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My wife grew up in a Former Soviet Union country. Her friends were over this weekend and we talked politics. They opined the current show of force by the Dems/big tech /left reminded them of the late 1970's and 1980's when Russia had a tight grip on their lives and country!

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