This is just another wing of the conservative movement?
General question for conservatives: If you seek the preservation of the institutions that you believe the country was built on, I ask you this, is there no room for consideration that a lot of people have been disenfranchised by some of those institutions? Should those individuals be ignored?
Can you be specific? In what way have “a lot of people been disenfranchised” by the institutions the country was founded on? Disenfranchised means no voice.
Marriage is an example of an institution. Conservatives wanted to not allow gay people to marry because it was viewed as an attack on that institution. The institution was more important than how not allowing gay people to marry negatively impacted fellow citizens.
How were gays disenfranchised from marriage when they won that debate to the extent few conservatives care about it any longer? The institution that was preserved was popular consent. The fact it was decided in the courts doesn’t preclude the fact it would have been decided the same way via elections. The courts were simply the easier path.
You asked for an example, I gave you an easy one. I know conservatives have moved on. The point is still relevant.
To stay on topic of the article, the idea that conservatives have it right and "the others" are the problem is exactly what the ruling class wants you to focus on. They want you wrapped in the flag talking about how made you are that college kid wants to be called "zhe" and not paying attention to the revolving door that Trump had in his cabinet.
My overall point is you think of the individual as the most valuable institution, yes, that trans college kid can smoke crack if zhe wants to....but we need to come together to preserve our nation and leave the conservative crap behind.
What is the difference between “conserve” and “preserve”? It’s not Conservatives that want to eliminate the individual as the most valuable institution which IMO is the most dangerous thing possible. Why shouldn’t I want to conserve and preserve individual rights? I certainly don’t want to “progress” into some form of collectivist dystopia because of how many millions it will kill.
Conservatives have never be in favor of individuals freedom if it exist outside the structure of the traditional institutions. You cannot rewrite that history of conservativism or rebrand that past in this comment thread. Either own it or find a new word to describe your political beliefs.
I’m taking about now, not 30-50 years ago. My conservative values/ideals didn’t exist back then because I was too young and not into politics. I do remember all the Conservative fear mongering about cultural subversion when I was young and although I didn’t support it then, looking back perhaps I should have since their fearful predictions all came true.
At the moment I hate the GOP as much as I do the Democrats. I despise all of them save a small handful like Rand Paul that sticks to his principles.
I don’t have high hopes that Republicans could even field a candidate next election. MAGA SERIOUSLY hates the GOP right now and wants to form a new party to take on the UniParty.
I happy to hear that MAGA is walking away from the republican party. They were never going to serve your interest.
I'm just saying...if you call yourself a conservative, you are aligning yourself with a past that cannot be denied. You can do that in your own echo chamber but that is not fair to expect the rest of us to allow you to rebrand what a conservative is. We libertarians have been fighting off conservatives for decades, they cheered on the statist policies like the drug war since its inception. Need to find a new word!
I am no more happy about crony capitalism than anyone else. Our nation wasn’t founded on crony capitalism. I am no less happy about the alternatives being proposed by opponents of crony capitalism as they result in less liberty.
Oh, I think I understand now. I, too, share that fear, but instances of crony-cap occur within a mixed (perhaps leaning free) economy, so in my mind the idea of removing the crony parts would leave a residual FREER economy.
I can't tell you why you don't understand - that is your deficiency. All I can tell you is that you don't understand. If my conclusion follows directly from your comment, that kind of implies the source of the deficiency, doesn't it? But I'll give you a hint - look up the definition of the word "conservation".
LOL. So you won’t tell me. Here I am wanting to consider and learn and you make claims and refuse to explain them. Am I supposed to take you seriously now?
The same ideals we have always had. Conservative values don’t allow for fundamental ideals/values to change. It is in the definition of the word.
Now if you are asking about right wing campaign slogans, who knows?
This is just another wing of the conservative movement?
General question for conservatives: If you seek the preservation of the institutions that you believe the country was built on, I ask you this, is there no room for consideration that a lot of people have been disenfranchised by some of those institutions? Should those individuals be ignored?
Can you be specific? In what way have “a lot of people been disenfranchised” by the institutions the country was founded on? Disenfranchised means no voice.
Marriage is an example of an institution. Conservatives wanted to not allow gay people to marry because it was viewed as an attack on that institution. The institution was more important than how not allowing gay people to marry negatively impacted fellow citizens.
How were gays disenfranchised from marriage when they won that debate to the extent few conservatives care about it any longer? The institution that was preserved was popular consent. The fact it was decided in the courts doesn’t preclude the fact it would have been decided the same way via elections. The courts were simply the easier path.
You asked for an example, I gave you an easy one. I know conservatives have moved on. The point is still relevant.
To stay on topic of the article, the idea that conservatives have it right and "the others" are the problem is exactly what the ruling class wants you to focus on. They want you wrapped in the flag talking about how made you are that college kid wants to be called "zhe" and not paying attention to the revolving door that Trump had in his cabinet.
My overall point is you think of the individual as the most valuable institution, yes, that trans college kid can smoke crack if zhe wants to....but we need to come together to preserve our nation and leave the conservative crap behind.
What is the difference between “conserve” and “preserve”? It’s not Conservatives that want to eliminate the individual as the most valuable institution which IMO is the most dangerous thing possible. Why shouldn’t I want to conserve and preserve individual rights? I certainly don’t want to “progress” into some form of collectivist dystopia because of how many millions it will kill.
Conservatives have never be in favor of individuals freedom if it exist outside the structure of the traditional institutions. You cannot rewrite that history of conservativism or rebrand that past in this comment thread. Either own it or find a new word to describe your political beliefs.
I’m taking about now, not 30-50 years ago. My conservative values/ideals didn’t exist back then because I was too young and not into politics. I do remember all the Conservative fear mongering about cultural subversion when I was young and although I didn’t support it then, looking back perhaps I should have since their fearful predictions all came true.
At the moment I hate the GOP as much as I do the Democrats. I despise all of them save a small handful like Rand Paul that sticks to his principles.
I don’t have high hopes that Republicans could even field a candidate next election. MAGA SERIOUSLY hates the GOP right now and wants to form a new party to take on the UniParty.
I happy to hear that MAGA is walking away from the republican party. They were never going to serve your interest.
I'm just saying...if you call yourself a conservative, you are aligning yourself with a past that cannot be denied. You can do that in your own echo chamber but that is not fair to expect the rest of us to allow you to rebrand what a conservative is. We libertarians have been fighting off conservatives for decades, they cheered on the statist policies like the drug war since its inception. Need to find a new word!
40% Socialists, 30% Libertarian, 30% Conservative: gee, socialism wins again.
Thanks a lot, doctrinaire libertarians/conservatives.
There is ONE opposition party for a very, very good reason.
In the US, esp now, a voice equals economic power. Who has that?
Economic power to do what?
I am no more happy about crony capitalism than anyone else. Our nation wasn’t founded on crony capitalism. I am no less happy about the alternatives being proposed by opponents of crony capitalism as they result in less liberty.
But Crony-capitalism is NOT Capitalism.
It IS Socialism.
How does opposing Crony-capitalism result in LESS liberty?
The alternatives I am referring to that result in less liberty are communism and socialism.
Oh, I think I understand now. I, too, share that fear, but instances of crony-cap occur within a mixed (perhaps leaning free) economy, so in my mind the idea of removing the crony parts would leave a residual FREER economy.
You surely do not understand what it means to be a political conservative.
Why is that or I am supposed to read your mind?
I can't tell you why you don't understand - that is your deficiency. All I can tell you is that you don't understand. If my conclusion follows directly from your comment, that kind of implies the source of the deficiency, doesn't it? But I'll give you a hint - look up the definition of the word "conservation".
LOL. So you won’t tell me. Here I am wanting to consider and learn and you make claims and refuse to explain them. Am I supposed to take you seriously now?
The answer you seek is right before you - I even told you where to look.
OK Yoda.