"Whistleblower" Frances Haugen is a vital media and political asset because she advances their quest for greater control over online political discourse.
Assange has now faced 7 years of embassy house-arrest plus 2 years of regular prison in the UK, all without a trial. Remember when the west used to be called the free world?
Bill, this will be my last response to you, because I don't find value in having discussions with you. You aren't looking for discussions, you are looking to browbeat anyone who disagrees with you, and without citing any evidence to support any of your claims other than your own opinions.
You are the Trump side of the lifer DNC coin and I dont want to waste any more time trying to educate you.
I'm firmly with William on this one, Icon. You've proved to be either completely dumb on the topic or deliberately choose to be obtuse to troll. Either way, Timmy is your guy. Stroke each other's Russia hating dildo as it suits you.
Hard-to-find 2020 election fraud stories and links
DATED: OCTOBER 1, 2021 BY SHARYL ATTKISSON
It is easy to find one side of the story when it comes to allegations of 2020 election fraud, but not so easy to get details regarding the other side of the story.
Below, you will find a variety of links to stories and information that is not being widely reported in some press circles. Too often, reporters and analysts are making incorrect claims and conclusions in their reporting, and are weighing in as if advocates rather than presenting factual information and differing views.
As you peruse the links below, it's left to you, as always, to assess the information and decide for yourself what to think. The goal here is simply to make accessible material that powerful interests are trying to censor.
Please note that depending on when you read this, some of the news links or material may be outdated so be sure and continue searching for your own information to stay current.
Heinlein's dialog, while never his strength, evolved over time similarly to his world view. "Starship Troopers", while entertaining, is fascist, militarist apologia; by the time he wrote novels such as "Time Enough for Love" and "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" he was nearly a libertarian.
He's not wrong (I am right leaning and more pro Trump). Trump should have pardoned Assange and Snowden - the very victims of the deep state, spying, forever wars etc he had been complaining about for 5 years. That would have started the "drain the swamp" but he chickened out. I also blame Mitch McConnel and other RINOs for preventing Trump from doing it but the buck stops with Trump.
Perhaps Trump should have granted Snowden a pardon for MOST of the offenses but not all of them. Snowden said he would be willing to face a prosecution in the US if it did not mean facing life imprisonment or a long imprisonment; and also if he would be allowed to present something like a "necessity" defense.
If Snowden was only liable for misdemeanor offenses (or for only the most minor felonies) such that he would face, at most, 1 year in prison, we could then judge Snowden's credibility by choosing to come home.
The national security organs tend to seek maximum punishment for people who embarrass them. I think Snowden committed crimes and should be prosecuted; but I don't think he should be sent to jail for life. I think a max sentence of 1 year would be appropriate. But look at the Jonathan Pollard case. Pollard leaked info to a US ally...Israel. Yet the NSA/FBI/CIA wanted Pollard in jail for life.
Trump was too susceptible to being played by those around him. Not nearly so much as Biden and for different reasons (Biden has no choice as he is quite senile) and the people around Biden are far worse. However, I have no doubt that some of Trump's advisors were also in the employ of the so-called "Deep State", and that makes his pliability a liability (sorry, that just came right out of my fingertips unbiddened). It seems to be a dilemma - a political "insider" as President is corrupt by definition, but an outsider, even though he or she brings a fresh outlook and approach to office, is forced to rely to a large extent on "insiders", who are corrupt by definition...
Would "hammer", "screwdriver" and "pliers" all be synonyms for the word you have in mind? Nevertheless, Trump was far less bad in that regard then Biden, Shrub, Carter, Ford, and probably Reagan, and less of a direct dick than Johnson, Nixon, Bush Elder, or Clinton (if I omitted any recent Oval Office occupants, it was an inadvertant oversight) so approbation should be applied proportionately.
You blame Trump? What a fool He came forward during the Obama regime and the entire establishment went insane It was the Obama regime during the Wikileaks uproar as well. Your assertion is preposterous.
Not only could have pardoned both, but doing so would have been a splendid way of getting revenge on the security state apparatus that sought to undermine his first campaign for the White House, and undermined his Presidency and (with major help from Big Tech) his second campaign, all the while serving the constitutional order that is actually the foundation of any claim to greatness America actually has (thus putting some flesh on the bones of his campaign slogan). But... he didn't.
We all know that the CIA was out to bash Trump, and Pompeo was another member of the deep state that had infiltrated Trumps cabinet and took advantage of his confidence, just like Mike Pence and Gen. Milley. Trump was surrounded by traitors the whole 4 years of his administration, especially when the FBI was able to cut down Gen. Michael Flynn, who was Trumps first National Security Advisor.
Trump was not in the loop for the secret plan to kidnap Assange.
Yahoo News, is as reliable as the New York Time....not to be believed at all.
So? If you are a true patriot, why would you care that you might get bashed by the CIA? I am right leaning and more pro Trump. But Trump should have pardoned Assange and Snowden - the very victims of the deep state, spying, forever wars etc he had been complaining about for 5 years. That would have started the "drain the swamp" but he chickened out. I also blame Mitch McConnel and other RINOs for preventing Trump from doing it but the buck stops with Trump.
Again Randal fucking Rose, the facts are spun by mainstream outlets like Yahoo, just like the NY TIMES. People who understand that know that facts a malleable in the hands of spin doctors.
What facts? There isn't a single linked piece of evidence to that article.
I just read it and maybe I missed "YAHOO NEWS" take on this but I don't see any evidence to support the media/Trump masturbation angle of CIA was out to get Snowden.
Was there a link to actual evidence somewhere in that story I missed?
Nonsense Wilcoxson, Trump was busy trying to defend himself for false impeachment charges in the last week of his term, which is when most pardons are issued. He had a lot on his hands with that witch Pelosi casting voodoo spells on him.
He was busy pardoning Kwame Kilpatrick a truly sympathetic individual if ever there was one give him a break the guy is a hardcore Trump supporter politically I mean come on.
Obama would never take the risk. Trump, having been subjected to similar actions from unelected deep state actors, should have exposed them by pardoning Assange and Snowden and let the interviews and discussions begin. It would have been epic.
Assange and Snowden should’ve been pardoned by the outgoing Trump administration. One of the few things that Trump should’ve done and didn’t.
Can you imagine how they felt when the traitorous Bowe Bergdahl showed up arm in arm with Obama in the Rose Garden and playing kissy face? The left is better at pretending.
The Presidential pardon on the way out the door is one of the dirty little things about politics imo.
How is it OK to just throw out the conviction that was legally obtained because you are the President? The entire concept throws out due process just like a contempt of court case does. The fact that it comes from the top just validates the invalidation of law and order that people on all sides are tired of.
No, no longer ironic, but it will become a stock gag with the American right, the way calling Democrats, " 'Rats" did after they protested loudly about an ad with a text crawl having the last four letters of "Democrats" show briefly with nothing else on the screen.
Oh, come on, Whitten, the "RethugliCONs" are part of it, too! You should know by now that it's really a "one-party" system disguised as a "two-party" system. The globalist "Fourth Reich" Party and its neo-Nazis are made up of both sides of the political "divide (and conquer)". Most of their members may be "liberals", but many of them are "conservatives" too. They're ALL really neoliberals, including the neocons, and they ALL want absolute totalitarian control, and subjugation and enslavement, and eventual death, of all those who are not with them (most people; seven billion people), a part of globalist corporate-fascist, elitist cabal / regime (remember the Bilderburg Group, you think they're all "Democrats"?). People like the controllers of FOX are secretly neoliberals too. Even people like Putin are probably secretly globalists as well [otherwise he would have been assassinated, deposed and/or "gulagged" long ago---look at what happened to Noriega, Hussein, Kaddafi, etc., when they were no longer useful and supposedly became a "threat", and who used to work for "al CIAduh(!)"]. The globalists control almost every aspect of world government, turning it into global government (enslavement), and are doing so more and more. Heck, the Chinese government's top political and corporate leaders are probably globalists, too. But Oceania has to keep up the pretext of being at war with Eastasia, and then switching "enemies" over and over again, keeping the global(ist) endless war for obscene profiting going interminably. Wake up completely and stop being partisan, falling for the divide and conquer strategy.
Wolf, if you refuse to see the distinction between Trump's policies, and those of this criminal Biden regime, that is not my problem, it is yours.
The neocon Republicans of the Bush-Cheney regime, and the neoliberal Democrats of the Obama regime are one thing; your classical Hegelian synthesis.
However, the Trump Republicans are a brand new anima. as can be seen in the distinction between the RINO's like Liz Cheney and the Trump Republicans.
Trump is a Patriot to the Declaration and the Constitution. Biden is a traitor to the constitution and a confirmed globalist:
John Kerry reveals Biden's devotion to radical 'Great Reset' movement
In June, elites at important international institutions such as the World Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to “reset” the global economy.
The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.
The two justifications for the proposal, which has been aptly named by its supporters the “Great Reset,” are the COVID-19 pandemic (the short-term justification) and the so-called “climate crisis” caused by global warming (the long-term justification).
According to the Great Reset’s supporters, the plan would fundamentally transform much of society. As World Economic Forum (WEF) head Klaus Schwab wrote back in June, “the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions. Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed. In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”
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This isn’t the first time Kerry has thrown his weight behind the Great Reset. At a June World Economic Forum virtual event, Kerry said the coronavirus pandemic was “a big moment” that opened the door for the Great Reset and that, “The World Economic Forum – the CEO capacity of the Forum – is really going to have to play a front and center role in refining the Great Reset to deal with climate change and inequity — all of which is being laid bare as a consequence of COVID-19.”
The evidence is now crystal clear about Biden’s connection to the Great Reset. He, John Kerry and the rest of the Biden administration are planning to bring the Great Reset to the United States. And if they are successful, the country will never be the same.
Of course I distinguish between the policies of TrumpCON and those of the "al CIAduh(!)" Manchurian candidate, "Can't-aBide(n)-him-CON's" regime! But they're still BOTH evil, vile people. TrumpCON is no more a true patriot to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution than Biden and his regime. Yes, Trump sounded good in much of the lead-up to 2016 when he was campaigning, and I agreed with much of what he purported to believe, as many non-"RethugliCONs" and non-"conservatives" did; but like ClintonCON, ObamaCON and BidenCON, and all of the other "al CIAduh(!)"-controlled puppets like them, he was lying through is teeth about most of it. If you can't see that, which obviously you can't, that is your problem, not mine.
You don't have to keep spamming about the "Great Reset" movement. I've seen your many posts on the topic, and I agree that it exists and that it is close to perpetrating its coup d'gras on humanity, etc., so you also don't need to tell me that. I know that Biden is part of it. Yet, a Godless, self-aggrandizing sicko worshiper of money and hording it, endless liar, extremely-phony, unreality showboater, egotist lover of being hero-worshiped, and so on, is NOT a "savior".
"Hypothetically-questioning", when does Trump give glory to God, when does he glorify the One and Only True God and Jesus the Christ, rather than glorifying money, the root of all evil? Answer? He doesn't. Why? Because he's an extremely-evil, vile Satanist.
Heck, when do YOU give ANY glory to God? I've never seen, in all of your endless spamming, your giving one iota of glory to God. You probably claim to be a "Christian"; but, if so, all you are is nothing but a counterfeit "Christian" like all professed-"Christians".
God says in His Word(s) to "know (people) by their fruits"; and, for all you have right, you glorify yourself. and sow real hatred, the fruits of Satan, not God. Now, tear me a new a-hole, as you've done to so many people here and elsewhere, I don't give a damn.
WHAT DID SNOWDEN BLOW THE WHISTLE ON THAT MARK KLEIN HADNT ALREADY BLOWN IT ON PLEASE TELL ME WHAT ACTUAL POSITIVE RESULTS OTHER THAN "AWARENESS" EDWARD SNOWDEN GAVE US.
Im yelling because in 2 years on this board no one can answer me as to what positive effect the Snowden revelations had other than "Awareness".
Nothing he told us Mark Klein hadn't already told us years ago. The only difference is Edward proved that what Mark had alleged years earlier was true.
You mean the awareness he got from that incident? That then caused Pierre to create a company with him? That he then had to quit when he realized Pierre was just as much of a shitlord and was happy to torpedo stories?
Its almost like the Snowden story was weaponized just like a lot of others.
Mark Klein is not on the NASA kill list like Snowden is. Proving Klein's assertions was the CRITCAL aspect of this case. THAT Iconoclast, is the positive effect the Snowden revelations had, ACTUAL PROOF.
Do you honestly think it was any coincidence that all of that information "leaked" after the telecoms were granted immunity or do you think that was also "just dumb luck".
They only released this information because they knew no one would ever get in trouble for it. And did anyone? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE.
Sure Edward proved what Mark alleged, but the Supreme Court could have demanded that years before in Hepting v AT&T. They chose not to so Edward let it out anyways and the big results and changes of that were.....
Yeah, I know. But we're talking about opportunistic deployment of a whistleblower as lever to pry more censorship into FB. If you can't stomach that without shouting about your pwn pet interests, GYOFB.
And being aware that the American security state is, in fact, not merely in the analysis of some liberty advocates, but as a matter of documented indisputable fact, routinely trampling on our Fourth Amendment rights whenever we engage in electronic communications is not a positive effect?
Maybe because Klein didn't have Greenwald? Who helped Snowden sound loud and clear?
But you're right - nothing new for any special services anywhere in the world. It's the US' populace whose nose was forced to smell the roses. Or shit. That's why the govt is mad.
My mother was a teacher in a school in Glasgow and she spoke of an in-joke of the staff room who gave a nickname to The Janitor (an important position at a school in Scotland, pretty much the property manager), a man of few words who understood demarcation. The nickname was
I think someone coming along and proving it matters, not least to Mark Klein whose own reports received vindication and corroboration.
Do you think that the info Klein/Snowden revealed was of no importance? Or are you lamenting the public's apparent inability to turn heightened awareness into positive change?
Thats a good question. I don't think its of no importance, but I do think it is the same record that's been playing forever.
We've had so many revelations of spying over the years.
The Media, PA break-in, PRISM, ECHELON, etc etc.
The law says the government can't spy, but they have and will since there was something to spy on. Look at what they did to Trump in 2016 for god's sakes and tell me what Edward Snowden did had some positive effect other than a movie.
Serious question. People know the government spies now, thats the "positive" we are talking about? People have literally known this since the telegraph.
My issue is no one, ever, ever ever ever ever is held accountable and surely not at the highest levels.
But given what you say—"The law says the government can't spy, but they have and will since there was something to spy on"—what kind of change could you have hoped for? A change in law? No use. As you say, they ignore the law, and will continue to do so as long as they can keep their activities top secret. Get the intelligence agencies to voluntarily stop domestic surveillance? They have announced as much already and nobody with a brain believes them.
I will say this. As a result of the Snowden revelations, we saw the emergence of a vibrant market for privacy products, VPNs, privacy features on browsers, end to end encryption, etc. I'm not saying that now I have a VPN I'm immune from government snooping. That would be dumb. Nevertheless, to surveil a population that uses VPNs and other privacy products, intelligence agencies have to do a bit more work. E.g. they have to spend more on researching zero day vulnerabilities. Meanwhile the cost of hiring the best engineers has probably gone up, since fewer of them will now refuse a bigger paycheck in Northern California & buy the patriotic pitch that they're doing God's work fighting terrorists. I can think of several other things that are trickier (hence costlier) for domestic spies post-Snowden. Bottom line is the cost of domestic spying has gone up, which means—given the laws of economics—there's probably less of it going on. I think that's the best we can hope for. We're in the kind of war you win by making your opponent's activities more expensive.
And it wasn't a one-off price increase, btw. The Snowden revelations created an arms-race between spying tools and privacy tools that will put a never-ending upward pressure on the cost of internet snooping.
Mark Klein is not on the NASA kill list like Snowden is. Proving Klein's assertions was the CRITCAL aspect of this case. THAT Iconoclast, is the positive effect the Snowden revelations had, ACTUAL PROOF.
The problem is we had only 2, not 2000 telling us loud and clear what is happening. But on the other hand, none of this should have come as a surprise to anybody who ever opened any history book.
Not surprisingly, this charade began with a focus on how social media is harming children, particularly young girls. That's the hook that everyone can get on board with. Censorship is good if it's for the sake of the CHILDREN. Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
Most of the young children are on TikTok, Instagram and Snapchat. It’s only old farts like me that are on Facebook so I can share misinformation like Substack and the Hodge Twins. I do this mainly to see if I can get put in Facebook jail.
Every time I see some damned regulation or other proposed to "protect the children" from allegedly ocrrupting influences, the same question occurs to me: "Where The Fuck are the parents"? I understand that most of the truly corrupting influences are in public school, and parents are (increasingly) denied adequate means to monitor and control what their kids are taught there, but use of Facebook (and other so-called social media) occurs almost entirely in a non-school setting.
Every censorship in the world - since the beginning of time - always comes first under the cover of "protecting the kids" first. Despicable old trick, but it never fails. Even Socrates was condemned to death on charge of "corrupting the youth".
I share your despair. From the poll cited in Glenn's piece, nearly 2/3 of Dems support censorship! Talk about unprincipled serfs. They willingly toss away the greatest legacy of liberty ever established by any nation, without any apparent awareness that once those rights are lost they likely can never be resurrected. And without any notion that one day they will likely be on the losing end of censorship, without recourse, and with no one to blame but themselves. These idiots no longer receive an education, only indoctrination.
Its both, the small group of elites controlling the message, and twisting it to suit their needs, and the lack of critical thinkers blindly gobbling it up without questioning.
There are plenty who do stick to them. Part of the game is marginalizing them and minimalizing their influence. "Remember kids, the only ones who get caught up in this stuff are right wing militia nuts, weed smoking libertarian hippies, and washed up old liberals!" The other part of the game is pretending all your losses have nothing to do with people being pissed at you for screwing with their rights. "What, no no no, people were totally for this shameless expansion of police powers. The opposition was just quibbling over minor things." "This gun control legislation failed miserably, quick make up an excuse to explain how voters rejected it even though our 'polls' show everyone was in favor of it." "Complaining about how hate speech legislation violates our principles and is dangerous, why these people are just a bunch of bigots." Rinse and repeat as you wear more and more liberties away, but don't worry there will always be those idiots who love the violations as long as they can feel safer or pretend they are more enlightened.
BTW Greg, at least there is still pushback in America. Have you seen what has happened recently in the U.K., Australia, and Canada? It is absolutely creepy.
The French are really good at revolting; really incompetent at figuring out how to turn a successful revolution into an improved society (research "The Terror" for example). Maybe even more so than the Russians.
Her treatment seems just a bit different from what I have come to expect from actual whistleblowers against the rich and powerful. It usually involves less fawning and more harassment and threats. Oh, could it possibly be, Mrs. Haugen is as fake as they come?
Good point. "Whistleblowing" implies taking risks to disclose unpopular truths, not basking in adulation for telling the powerful what they want to hear. She's a butt kisser, not a whistleblower.
The "look how brave I am" part of her routine is disgusting. I don't see her trapped in an embassy, fighting off phony charges, losing her job, or being threatened by tobacco company thugs.
And this is why I no longer support the Democratic Party. The overreach and constitutional violations are staggering in efforts to stifle public debate, dissenting opinion, and free flow of information. She isn’t a whistleblower. She is just a whiner.
A free society can only exist with the informed consent of the governed. When a critical mass of the governed lack the capacity to offer informed consent a free society is impossible.
Censorship can backfire. The Streisand Effect is a real thing. If you tell people that they're not allowed to see something, they're going to want to see it even if they had no interest in seeing it before.
In China researchers have found that when people learn that something has been censored they are more likely to believe that it's true. The censorship actually serves to enhance the credibility of the thing that's being censored.
I think that a lot of vaccine hesitancy is being driven by censorship. People are far more skeptical of the vaccine than they otherwise might be because nobody is allowed to criticize it.
I agree with your assertion in the title. They do not want to hurt Facebook, just make sure the tow the party line. Facebook is one of the biggest enablers of these speech tyrants.
Both work, but the term originally came from the Erie Canal, where the barges need to be towed by teams of laborers along a shallow stretch along the canal. 'Tow the line".
Another application : ballet training. Uh-oh, now I'm thinking of Nicolas Cage in Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans--"Shoot him again, his soul is still dancing."
Uh, a Whitten fact is not the same as an actual fact. The phrase started out being spelled with "toe", not "tow". George Orwell, in his 1946 "Politics and the English Language", was already complaining that "toe the line is sometimes written as tow the line". The Oxford English Dictionary cites "toe the line" as the standard phrase, and describes how it evolved during the 1800s (it was originally "toe the mark", which evolved into "toe the line").
Even if they take my beloved Glenn Greenwald and my other independent media away from me, I'm never going to go back to mainstream media. I'll just watch cat videos instead.
I think she was only at Facebook for a year, yet she was able to figure out the whole structure enough to steal the right documents and leak them to the WSJ. It just seems like she went there for that specific purpose. Someone’s behind her I’m sure.
The fear Mr. Greenwald has for regulation leading to further dominance by Facebook and Google is well founded. Years ago I was walking through an industrial plant, with the company CEO and owner. The company was in an environmentally sensitive industry, with lots of "mom and pop" competitors. This guy's company was one of the largest in the industry. The topic of new environmental regulations came up in our conversation. The CEO at first bemoaned the cost, but went on to say it would drive out the mom and pop competitors. This would allow pricing (and profits) to improve. At that point he had an aw-shucks smile on his face. Beware of this Trojan horse.
> New York's minimum wage law would have added $46,000 a month to his labor costs in 2019. Milite said: "I know it doesn't sound like much -- $2 an hour. But when you multiply it by 40 hours, by 130 people, it becomes a big number. It was going to increase our monthly payroll $46,000."
> And yet, even this high level of sales wasn’t enough to inoculate the business from the rising cost of rent and wages in New York. Coffee Shop co-owner and president Charlies Milite told Forbes that rent had become “unusually high,” accounting for close to 27% of the restaurant’s gross revenues. Add in the scheduled $2-per-hour minimum wage hike set to take place on December 31—an increase that, across Coffee Shop’s 150 employees and multiple dayparts of service, would have added $46,000 to the monthly payroll—made it impossible to break even by cutting costs elsewhere.
You're certain that the chaos resulting from irrational and conflicting government regulation and the consequent disenfranchising effect on citizens is unintentional?
This "Whistleblower" narrative is so obviously manufactured. This woman is just another person whining about the very obvious -- indeed, cliched -- problems with spending too much time social media. (They get social anxiety, tend to seek out sources of confirmation bias, blah, blah . . .) Acting like this is suddenly a new "scandal" for which FB must reform is Fake News 101.
This is a replay of the Summer of 2020, when the New York Times and its ilk started attacking FB relentlessly for anything and everything, from privacy breaches, to "hate speech," to alleged sexual harassment in its workplace, to hit pieces on Sheryl Sandberg. It could not have been more obvious that this was all to intimidate FB to get on board with the left's plans to manage information flow during the 2020 election. It worked. And now they are at it again.
Most pathetic of all are the mainstream Republicans, who just watch their constituents getting censored and screwed yet again, and can only mutter that it's all fine because it's just a "private company." What losers.
PLEASE stop referring to these people as “liberals” - they are not. Call them leftists or the totalitarian left because there are of course leftists, perhaps yourself among them, that oppose this.
It doesn't matter. They are not. Don't concede the name to them. And don't accept their use of "fascist" as a meaningless pejorative. Insist on it only applying to those whose policies and actions mirror those of the original Fascists. Defending the language against abuses that serve the (and here I'm taking my own advice) fascist elites is one of the few things one can actually *do* in online fora that defends the American civil order (whether one prefers to call it "our democracy" or "the Republic").
All the one-word political labels end up corrupted, as you demonstrate twice in this comment with left and totalitarian. I found the word neoliberal useful until a couple of years ago. Eventually you just have to give up and use whatever terms are best understood by who you're communicating with. In Glenn's case talking to us, we know what he means.
I think you are missing the point of the whistleblower. Haugen may have leanings toward regulations (a separate issue) but her concern is that Facebook has knowingly hidden its own research showing its negative effects on society (and the world). Her concern is about Facebook manipulating algorithms to channel information. She is arguing that engagement is Facebook's only aim: more engagement translates into digital addiction and consequently more revenue. Elected officials may be obsessed with censoring but Haugen is talking about a business model that is predatory. That the original "rating women" tech start-up has morphed into an ugly monster does not seem to concern Facebook.
Everyone thinks of Big Tech engineers as geniuses coding mysterious algorithms. But we forget that there is a huge psychological component to social media platforms that is also being "engineered." I see that as the issue here. Very smart engineers may be writing software so that our digital devices look beautiful but its the "product managers" like this woman who are figuring out ways that motivate people to act or react while online. This is powerful stuff. And if social media can make people react in nefarious ways, then Huston, we have a problem.
I concur. What Glenn writes here is true, though the rhetoric is a bit troublesome, but he ignores the concern that you point out. I am not sure, however, how to regulate w/o censoring.
Yet the actual whistleblowers Assange and Snowden are facing life in prison, and in exile, respectively.
Let’s go Brandon.
Assange has now faced 7 years of embassy house-arrest plus 2 years of regular prison in the UK, all without a trial. Remember when the west used to be called the free world?
He exposed the sick underbelly of the FREE WORLD. Can't have that it disrupts the corruption and evil.
the United States of Hypocrisy...
And meanwhile....Edward Snowden is a happily married Russian citizen doing webcasts.
How quick are you on a Rubik's Cube genius?
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Bill, this will be my last response to you, because I don't find value in having discussions with you. You aren't looking for discussions, you are looking to browbeat anyone who disagrees with you, and without citing any evidence to support any of your claims other than your own opinions.
You are the Trump side of the lifer DNC coin and I dont want to waste any more time trying to educate you.
I'm firmly with William on this one, Icon. You've proved to be either completely dumb on the topic or deliberately choose to be obtuse to troll. Either way, Timmy is your guy. Stroke each other's Russia hating dildo as it suits you.
the two of you sound made for each other, I wish you all the best
"I dont want to waste any more time trying to educate you."--Iconoclast
Hahaha!!! What utter arrogance to think you could educate me.
I don't care if you respond to my comments or not.
The first portion of you comment is total hypocrisy, projecting your own attitude as mine.
So go ahead ignore me, I find that a delightful idea.
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Hard-to-find 2020 election fraud stories and links
DATED: OCTOBER 1, 2021 BY SHARYL ATTKISSON
It is easy to find one side of the story when it comes to allegations of 2020 election fraud, but not so easy to get details regarding the other side of the story.
Below, you will find a variety of links to stories and information that is not being widely reported in some press circles. Too often, reporters and analysts are making incorrect claims and conclusions in their reporting, and are weighing in as if advocates rather than presenting factual information and differing views.
As you peruse the links below, it's left to you, as always, to assess the information and decide for yourself what to think. The goal here is simply to make accessible material that powerful interests are trying to censor.
Please note that depending on when you read this, some of the news links or material may be outdated so be sure and continue searching for your own information to stay current.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/10/hard-to-find-2020-election-fraud-stories-and-links/
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On trumped up charges, no less.
I remember when it was called that. I do not remember it ever being true.
“I am in chains. Don't touch my chains.”
― Kafka, Franz
The craziest CRAZIEST part to me is the only "celebrity" still yelling to help him is Pamela fucking Anderson.
Its like we live in the Twilight Zone
There are countless indicators that we live in the Twilight Zone....
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I find Heinlein's "Crazy Years" to more specifically apply...
Heinlein was a visionary indeed. But his dialog was crap, jejune BS, like he had never made love to a woman.
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Heinlein's dialog, while never his strength, evolved over time similarly to his world view. "Starship Troopers", while entertaining, is fascist, militarist apologia; by the time he wrote novels such as "Time Enough for Love" and "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" he was nearly a libertarian.
I blame Trump for that.
Trump kicked my dog one time.
And I don't even have a dog!
Omg, does it always have to be about Trump?
He's not wrong (I am right leaning and more pro Trump). Trump should have pardoned Assange and Snowden - the very victims of the deep state, spying, forever wars etc he had been complaining about for 5 years. That would have started the "drain the swamp" but he chickened out. I also blame Mitch McConnel and other RINOs for preventing Trump from doing it but the buck stops with Trump.
Right or wrong, important or not, another Greenwald article's comments is drowned in irrelevance.
Please, enlighten us, O Relevant Police Officer, Sir.
All of the comments here either quickly or eventually devolve into irrelevance.
Why would he pardon a dude hiding in Russia?
The Julian Assange stuff I agree with, with the caveat that I have NOT seen the government's 'evidence' of his attempts to help hack.
The US government pulled Snowden’s passport when he arrived in Russia.
I think Iconoclast's hard-on is maintained by his mentioning Russia. Especially in combination with Snowden.
I for one am happy for his (Icon's) lady.
Can't be said enough Pete. "Happenstance", but tell that to Tailgunner Joe!
The HATE for Russia will only end in nuclear fire. And only then.
There you go again Pete, with facts and stuff. Damn.
Perhaps Trump should have granted Snowden a pardon for MOST of the offenses but not all of them. Snowden said he would be willing to face a prosecution in the US if it did not mean facing life imprisonment or a long imprisonment; and also if he would be allowed to present something like a "necessity" defense.
If Snowden was only liable for misdemeanor offenses (or for only the most minor felonies) such that he would face, at most, 1 year in prison, we could then judge Snowden's credibility by choosing to come home.
The national security organs tend to seek maximum punishment for people who embarrass them. I think Snowden committed crimes and should be prosecuted; but I don't think he should be sent to jail for life. I think a max sentence of 1 year would be appropriate. But look at the Jonathan Pollard case. Pollard leaked info to a US ally...Israel. Yet the NSA/FBI/CIA wanted Pollard in jail for life.
Yes, if exposing criminal wrongdoing at the highest levels of the USG is criminal, I suppose you have a slight argument.
Trump was too susceptible to being played by those around him. Not nearly so much as Biden and for different reasons (Biden has no choice as he is quite senile) and the people around Biden are far worse. However, I have no doubt that some of Trump's advisors were also in the employ of the so-called "Deep State", and that makes his pliability a liability (sorry, that just came right out of my fingertips unbiddened). It seems to be a dilemma - a political "insider" as President is corrupt by definition, but an outsider, even though he or she brings a fresh outlook and approach to office, is forced to rely to a large extent on "insiders", who are corrupt by definition...
"too susceptible to being played by those around him" - which is a euphemism for some plain common word, I'm afraid.
Would "hammer", "screwdriver" and "pliers" all be synonyms for the word you have in mind? Nevertheless, Trump was far less bad in that regard then Biden, Shrub, Carter, Ford, and probably Reagan, and less of a direct dick than Johnson, Nixon, Bush Elder, or Clinton (if I omitted any recent Oval Office occupants, it was an inadvertant oversight) so approbation should be applied proportionately.
Yesterday top video recommendation from youtube (I dont have an account and I block everything so its a flat geolocated push) was and I quote:
MSNBC - "Trump's campaign of lies threatening American democracy"
This is no joke here is the link you can see it.
https://www.msnbc.com/american-voices/watch/trump-s-campaign-of-lies-threatening-american-democracy-121995845516
MSNBC ... really Iconoclast?!?!? WTF?
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Are you fucking mentally disabled? Im pointing out they are still moaning about Trump a year after he lost.
And so is Trump Co. Much of inside-the-beltway is tit-for-tat, even though there is little equivalence.
TRUMP is the alpha and the omega.
Only an obsession for TDSers like you.
No, it can be about COVID
Sadly, yes. How else to divide the thread away from more the matters at hand? Classic diversion.
I blamed Trump for that until January 20, 2021, now I blame Joe Biden for it.
I've discussed it with the judges and this is an acceptable response as well. Carry on.
Ha! Good one, M. Iconoclast. (Or is it just "the judges" haven't weighed in yet?)
Why Finster?
You blame Trump? What a fool He came forward during the Obama regime and the entire establishment went insane It was the Obama regime during the Wikileaks uproar as well. Your assertion is preposterous.
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He could and should have pardoned both.
Not only could have pardoned both, but doing so would have been a splendid way of getting revenge on the security state apparatus that sought to undermine his first campaign for the White House, and undermined his Presidency and (with major help from Big Tech) his second campaign, all the while serving the constitutional order that is actually the foundation of any claim to greatness America actually has (thus putting some flesh on the bones of his campaign slogan). But... he didn't.
Why Trump deserves a good deal of the blame for Assange's imprisonment (one article out of many): https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london-shoot-out-inside-the-ci-as-secret-war-plans-against-wiki-leaks-090057786.html
Randall fucking Rose,
We all know that the CIA was out to bash Trump, and Pompeo was another member of the deep state that had infiltrated Trumps cabinet and took advantage of his confidence, just like Mike Pence and Gen. Milley. Trump was surrounded by traitors the whole 4 years of his administration, especially when the FBI was able to cut down Gen. Michael Flynn, who was Trumps first National Security Advisor.
Trump was not in the loop for the secret plan to kidnap Assange.
Yahoo News, is as reliable as the New York Time....not to be believed at all.
You need to listen to W Whitten — he know it all ;-))
He is especially an “expert” on socialism…
In mental asylum they allow access to social media as a therapy
Wow Petrov,
Now you are starting to act like that idiot russian_bot
I know who you and the other fucking Marxist are on this forum.
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So? If you are a true patriot, why would you care that you might get bashed by the CIA? I am right leaning and more pro Trump. But Trump should have pardoned Assange and Snowden - the very victims of the deep state, spying, forever wars etc he had been complaining about for 5 years. That would have started the "drain the swamp" but he chickened out. I also blame Mitch McConnel and other RINOs for preventing Trump from doing it but the buck stops with Trump.
"If you are a true patriot, why would you care that you might get bashed by the CIA?--CNN
Trump was not only "bashed" by CIA, he was undercut and tricked by them and most of those who were surrounding him.
Look I wish he would have pardoned the both of them, but he didn't.
And now we gat a Joe Biden to fry, and a Great Reset agenda to get out from under.
Let's concentrate on that. That is the clear and present danger.
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Chelsea Manning has been pardoned.
Edward Snowden is still eating Borscht.
Given this "result-based-data" how do you defend Snowden's hiding in Russia "coincidentally". LOL.
"Trump was not in the loop" - any loop he was in whatever? Or only ones convenient for you?
Finally, a substantive rhetorical question, M. russian!
Ah, the facts reported there are too inconvenient for you. Well, I posted it for people here who care about facts.
Again Randal fucking Rose, the facts are spun by mainstream outlets like Yahoo, just like the NY TIMES. People who understand that know that facts a malleable in the hands of spin doctors.
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What facts? There isn't a single linked piece of evidence to that article.
I just read it and maybe I missed "YAHOO NEWS" take on this but I don't see any evidence to support the media/Trump masturbation angle of CIA was out to get Snowden.
Was there a link to actual evidence somewhere in that story I missed?
Randall Rose logic = we can back Trump blame into anything.
Shit that happened before he was in office? - Trump's fault.
Shit that happened while he was in office? - Yep all Trump's fault if bad, all not his fault if good.
Shit that happened after he was in office? - Also Trump's fault.
This type of logic is called "politics as religion" and shows how stupid people can be.
I blame you for being a media sheeple.
If you were honest you would blame Trump for a lot of the Assange stuff but not the Snowden stuff.
Trump could have pardoned them but he didn't. He deserves blame for that.
Nonsense Wilcoxson, Trump was busy trying to defend himself for false impeachment charges in the last week of his term, which is when most pardons are issued. He had a lot on his hands with that witch Pelosi casting voodoo spells on him.
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He had four years to pardon them.
Trump had four years of constant persistent attacks trying to maintain his own equilibrium, you can't seem to recall all of that.
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See...this is where you are a sycophantic shitlord.
You and I both know he issued a laundry list of shady pardons. FUCK OUTTA HERE.
Piss off.
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You whine like a Democrat.
piss off Needlhead.
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He was busy pardoning Kwame Kilpatrick a truly sympathetic individual if ever there was one give him a break the guy is a hardcore Trump supporter politically I mean come on.
If Randall fucking Rose were honest he would blame the Obama regime for both the witch hunt of Snowden and Assange..
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THE SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SACRIFICES
Says you MUST take these injections. It is MANDATED.
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I blame Obama for that.
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Obama would never take the risk. Trump, having been subjected to similar actions from unelected deep state actors, should have exposed them by pardoning Assange and Snowden and let the interviews and discussions begin. It would have been epic.
Assange and Snowden should’ve been pardoned by the outgoing Trump administration. One of the few things that Trump should’ve done and didn’t.
Can you imagine how they felt when the traitorous Bowe Bergdahl showed up arm in arm with Obama in the Rose Garden and playing kissy face? The left is better at pretending.
The Presidential pardon on the way out the door is one of the dirty little things about politics imo.
How is it OK to just throw out the conviction that was legally obtained because you are the President? The entire concept throws out due process just like a contempt of court case does. The fact that it comes from the top just validates the invalidation of law and order that people on all sides are tired of.
Cheered on by western media.
This is no longer ironic.
No, it is a tragedy created by the Biden regime and stupid fucking DemocRats who support this regime.
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I dont think Joe Biden created it. He looks like a dementia-addled child who is being run by Hillary Clinton via proxy Jake Sullivan.
Iconoclast, I said the Biden REGIME. Got it?
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Its really the Soros/Clinton regime tho
No, no longer ironic, but it will become a stock gag with the American right, the way calling Democrats, " 'Rats" did after they protested loudly about an ad with a text crawl having the last four letters of "Democrats" show briefly with nothing else on the screen.
Fuck Joe Biden and all you stupid ass DemocRats that voted for him.
It is your fault the the Biden regime is tearing this nation to pieces and all of our rights are being extinguished.
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Oh, come on, Whitten, the "RethugliCONs" are part of it, too! You should know by now that it's really a "one-party" system disguised as a "two-party" system. The globalist "Fourth Reich" Party and its neo-Nazis are made up of both sides of the political "divide (and conquer)". Most of their members may be "liberals", but many of them are "conservatives" too. They're ALL really neoliberals, including the neocons, and they ALL want absolute totalitarian control, and subjugation and enslavement, and eventual death, of all those who are not with them (most people; seven billion people), a part of globalist corporate-fascist, elitist cabal / regime (remember the Bilderburg Group, you think they're all "Democrats"?). People like the controllers of FOX are secretly neoliberals too. Even people like Putin are probably secretly globalists as well [otherwise he would have been assassinated, deposed and/or "gulagged" long ago---look at what happened to Noriega, Hussein, Kaddafi, etc., when they were no longer useful and supposedly became a "threat", and who used to work for "al CIAduh(!)"]. The globalists control almost every aspect of world government, turning it into global government (enslavement), and are doing so more and more. Heck, the Chinese government's top political and corporate leaders are probably globalists, too. But Oceania has to keep up the pretext of being at war with Eastasia, and then switching "enemies" over and over again, keeping the global(ist) endless war for obscene profiting going interminably. Wake up completely and stop being partisan, falling for the divide and conquer strategy.
Wolf, if you refuse to see the distinction between Trump's policies, and those of this criminal Biden regime, that is not my problem, it is yours.
The neocon Republicans of the Bush-Cheney regime, and the neoliberal Democrats of the Obama regime are one thing; your classical Hegelian synthesis.
However, the Trump Republicans are a brand new anima. as can be seen in the distinction between the RINO's like Liz Cheney and the Trump Republicans.
Trump is a Patriot to the Declaration and the Constitution. Biden is a traitor to the constitution and a confirmed globalist:
John Kerry reveals Biden's devotion to radical 'Great Reset' movement
In June, elites at important international institutions such as the World Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to “reset” the global economy.
The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.
The two justifications for the proposal, which has been aptly named by its supporters the “Great Reset,” are the COVID-19 pandemic (the short-term justification) and the so-called “climate crisis” caused by global warming (the long-term justification).
According to the Great Reset’s supporters, the plan would fundamentally transform much of society. As World Economic Forum (WEF) head Klaus Schwab wrote back in June, “the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions. Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed. In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”
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This isn’t the first time Kerry has thrown his weight behind the Great Reset. At a June World Economic Forum virtual event, Kerry said the coronavirus pandemic was “a big moment” that opened the door for the Great Reset and that, “The World Economic Forum – the CEO capacity of the Forum – is really going to have to play a front and center role in refining the Great Reset to deal with climate change and inequity — all of which is being laid bare as a consequence of COVID-19.”
The evidence is now crystal clear about Biden’s connection to the Great Reset. He, John Kerry and the rest of the Biden administration are planning to bring the Great Reset to the United States. And if they are successful, the country will never be the same.
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/528482-john-kerry-reveals-bidens-devotion-to-radical-great-reset-movement
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Trump's policy to pardon Kwame Kilpatrick, corrupt DNC politician, how do you draw that distinction?
That was OK because it was Trump but if the DNC does it fuck them?
Those of us who aren't sycophantic call both out for their bullshit. You ought to give it a try.
Of course I distinguish between the policies of TrumpCON and those of the "al CIAduh(!)" Manchurian candidate, "Can't-aBide(n)-him-CON's" regime! But they're still BOTH evil, vile people. TrumpCON is no more a true patriot to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution than Biden and his regime. Yes, Trump sounded good in much of the lead-up to 2016 when he was campaigning, and I agreed with much of what he purported to believe, as many non-"RethugliCONs" and non-"conservatives" did; but like ClintonCON, ObamaCON and BidenCON, and all of the other "al CIAduh(!)"-controlled puppets like them, he was lying through is teeth about most of it. If you can't see that, which obviously you can't, that is your problem, not mine.
You don't have to keep spamming about the "Great Reset" movement. I've seen your many posts on the topic, and I agree that it exists and that it is close to perpetrating its coup d'gras on humanity, etc., so you also don't need to tell me that. I know that Biden is part of it. Yet, a Godless, self-aggrandizing sicko worshiper of money and hording it, endless liar, extremely-phony, unreality showboater, egotist lover of being hero-worshiped, and so on, is NOT a "savior".
"Hypothetically-questioning", when does Trump give glory to God, when does he glorify the One and Only True God and Jesus the Christ, rather than glorifying money, the root of all evil? Answer? He doesn't. Why? Because he's an extremely-evil, vile Satanist.
Heck, when do YOU give ANY glory to God? I've never seen, in all of your endless spamming, your giving one iota of glory to God. You probably claim to be a "Christian"; but, if so, all you are is nothing but a counterfeit "Christian" like all professed-"Christians".
God says in His Word(s) to "know (people) by their fruits"; and, for all you have right, you glorify yourself. and sow real hatred, the fruits of Satan, not God. Now, tear me a new a-hole, as you've done to so many people here and elsewhere, I don't give a damn.
WHAT DID SNOWDEN BLOW THE WHISTLE ON THAT MARK KLEIN HADNT ALREADY BLOWN IT ON PLEASE TELL ME WHAT ACTUAL POSITIVE RESULTS OTHER THAN "AWARENESS" EDWARD SNOWDEN GAVE US.
Your keyboard is stuck in all caps — bring it for repair
Im yelling because in 2 years on this board no one can answer me as to what positive effect the Snowden revelations had other than "Awareness".
Nothing he told us Mark Klein hadn't already told us years ago. The only difference is Edward proved that what Mark had alleged years earlier was true.
https://www.wired.com/2006/01/att-sued-over-nsa-eavesdropping/
Positive effect = more widespread awareness of GG. A good start at waking some folks up.
I liked your post only because every journey begins with a single step.
Exactly. Wasn’t trying to be argumentative, but it seemed like a net positive, if only a start.
You mean the awareness he got from that incident? That then caused Pierre to create a company with him? That he then had to quit when he realized Pierre was just as much of a shitlord and was happy to torpedo stories?
Its almost like the Snowden story was weaponized just like a lot of others.
Mark Klein is not on the NASA kill list like Snowden is. Proving Klein's assertions was the CRITCAL aspect of this case. THAT Iconoclast, is the positive effect the Snowden revelations had, ACTUAL PROOF.
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Do you honestly think it was any coincidence that all of that information "leaked" after the telecoms were granted immunity or do you think that was also "just dumb luck".
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/10/supreme-court-telecoms-win-immunity
They only released this information because they knew no one would ever get in trouble for it. And did anyone? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE.
Sure Edward proved what Mark alleged, but the Supreme Court could have demanded that years before in Hepting v AT&T. They chose not to so Edward let it out anyways and the big results and changes of that were.....
FUCKING NOTHING
Yeah, I know. But we're talking about opportunistic deployment of a whistleblower as lever to pry more censorship into FB. If you can't stomach that without shouting about your pwn pet interests, GYOFB.
And being aware that the American security state is, in fact, not merely in the analysis of some liberty advocates, but as a matter of documented indisputable fact, routinely trampling on our Fourth Amendment rights whenever we engage in electronic communications is not a positive effect?
The population has known about that since the telegraph.
Maybe because Klein didn't have Greenwald? Who helped Snowden sound loud and clear?
But you're right - nothing new for any special services anywhere in the world. It's the US' populace whose nose was forced to smell the roses. Or shit. That's why the govt is mad.
Unquestionably I think Glenn did the majority of the heavy lifting bringing the "awareness" we are talking about.
Its unfortunate that he seems to be one of the few actual journalists wanting us to start from a place of truth, regardless of politics.
"Awareness" for the populace is real. Its effectiveness can certainly be argued about.
My mother was a teacher in a school in Glasgow and she spoke of an in-joke of the staff room who gave a nickname to The Janitor (an important position at a school in Scotland, pretty much the property manager), a man of few words who understood demarcation. The nickname was
Snomajobty
I think someone coming along and proving it matters, not least to Mark Klein whose own reports received vindication and corroboration.
Do you think that the info Klein/Snowden revealed was of no importance? Or are you lamenting the public's apparent inability to turn heightened awareness into positive change?
Thats a good question. I don't think its of no importance, but I do think it is the same record that's been playing forever.
We've had so many revelations of spying over the years.
The Media, PA break-in, PRISM, ECHELON, etc etc.
The law says the government can't spy, but they have and will since there was something to spy on. Look at what they did to Trump in 2016 for god's sakes and tell me what Edward Snowden did had some positive effect other than a movie.
Serious question. People know the government spies now, thats the "positive" we are talking about? People have literally known this since the telegraph.
My issue is no one, ever, ever ever ever ever is held accountable and surely not at the highest levels.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/10/supreme-court-telecoms-win-immunity
But given what you say—"The law says the government can't spy, but they have and will since there was something to spy on"—what kind of change could you have hoped for? A change in law? No use. As you say, they ignore the law, and will continue to do so as long as they can keep their activities top secret. Get the intelligence agencies to voluntarily stop domestic surveillance? They have announced as much already and nobody with a brain believes them.
I will say this. As a result of the Snowden revelations, we saw the emergence of a vibrant market for privacy products, VPNs, privacy features on browsers, end to end encryption, etc. I'm not saying that now I have a VPN I'm immune from government snooping. That would be dumb. Nevertheless, to surveil a population that uses VPNs and other privacy products, intelligence agencies have to do a bit more work. E.g. they have to spend more on researching zero day vulnerabilities. Meanwhile the cost of hiring the best engineers has probably gone up, since fewer of them will now refuse a bigger paycheck in Northern California & buy the patriotic pitch that they're doing God's work fighting terrorists. I can think of several other things that are trickier (hence costlier) for domestic spies post-Snowden. Bottom line is the cost of domestic spying has gone up, which means—given the laws of economics—there's probably less of it going on. I think that's the best we can hope for. We're in the kind of war you win by making your opponent's activities more expensive.
And it wasn't a one-off price increase, btw. The Snowden revelations created an arms-race between spying tools and privacy tools that will put a never-ending upward pressure on the cost of internet snooping.
Mark Klein is not on the NASA kill list like Snowden is. Proving Klein's assertions was the CRITCAL aspect of this case. THAT Iconoclast, is the positive effect the Snowden revelations had, ACTUAL PROOF.
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The problem is we had only 2, not 2000 telling us loud and clear what is happening. But on the other hand, none of this should have come as a surprise to anybody who ever opened any history book.
"who ever opened any history book" - those are few and can be easily disregarded.
Check that. Turns out the whole western population willingly disregards itself as not much came out of the whole brouhaha.
anything to help: https://support.apple.com/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks
Not surprisingly, this charade began with a focus on how social media is harming children, particularly young girls. That's the hook that everyone can get on board with. Censorship is good if it's for the sake of the CHILDREN. Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
Most of the young children are on TikTok, Instagram and Snapchat. It’s only old farts like me that are on Facebook so I can share misinformation like Substack and the Hodge Twins. I do this mainly to see if I can get put in Facebook jail.
If you weren't aware, Facebook and Instagram are part of the same enterprise.
“Public Health”, you know…you have to crush speech to maintain public health…
…in the face of insurrection
Departments of Mental Hygiene are making a comeback.
They will be focused on conservatives and their commitment to domestic extremism of course.
Correct. The poor children are always drug out by corrupt politicians seeking more power!!
Carlin summed this up in 1997 perfectly. YT link sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIlv17AwgIU
Every time I see some damned regulation or other proposed to "protect the children" from allegedly ocrrupting influences, the same question occurs to me: "Where The Fuck are the parents"? I understand that most of the truly corrupting influences are in public school, and parents are (increasingly) denied adequate means to monitor and control what their kids are taught there, but use of Facebook (and other so-called social media) occurs almost entirely in a non-school setting.
Every censorship in the world - since the beginning of time - always comes first under the cover of "protecting the kids" first. Despicable old trick, but it never fails. Even Socrates was condemned to death on charge of "corrupting the youth".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIlv17AwgIU
Its all going after female voters who are more susceptible to this sort of virtue signalling.
My faith in the commitment of Americans to their liberties is at a very low point. Prosperity has raised a 200 million head herd of sheep.
I share your despair. From the poll cited in Glenn's piece, nearly 2/3 of Dems support censorship! Talk about unprincipled serfs. They willingly toss away the greatest legacy of liberty ever established by any nation, without any apparent awareness that once those rights are lost they likely can never be resurrected. And without any notion that one day they will likely be on the losing end of censorship, without recourse, and with no one to blame but themselves. These idiots no longer receive an education, only indoctrination.
Its actually only about 30 million people pushing this crap, but that's all it takes.
It's not the people pushing it, it's the people believing it.
Its both, the small group of elites controlling the message, and twisting it to suit their needs, and the lack of critical thinkers blindly gobbling it up without questioning.
There are plenty who do stick to them. Part of the game is marginalizing them and minimalizing their influence. "Remember kids, the only ones who get caught up in this stuff are right wing militia nuts, weed smoking libertarian hippies, and washed up old liberals!" The other part of the game is pretending all your losses have nothing to do with people being pissed at you for screwing with their rights. "What, no no no, people were totally for this shameless expansion of police powers. The opposition was just quibbling over minor things." "This gun control legislation failed miserably, quick make up an excuse to explain how voters rejected it even though our 'polls' show everyone was in favor of it." "Complaining about how hate speech legislation violates our principles and is dangerous, why these people are just a bunch of bigots." Rinse and repeat as you wear more and more liberties away, but don't worry there will always be those idiots who love the violations as long as they can feel safer or pretend they are more enlightened.
BTW Greg, at least there is still pushback in America. Have you seen what has happened recently in the U.K., Australia, and Canada? It is absolutely creepy.
Im proud the French are still telling their government FUCK YOU.
The French are really good at revolting; really incompetent at figuring out how to turn a successful revolution into an improved society (research "The Terror" for example). Maybe even more so than the Russians.
Pity that's the only effect.
Rabble rousers of the world unite!
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/protesters-against-covid-restrictions-clash-with-police-paris-bfm-television-2021-07-24/
We are well past the point of parody with the "far right" and "alt right" labeling in these articles. Still, good to see them fighting back.
Explains at lot. Good take.
Her treatment seems just a bit different from what I have come to expect from actual whistleblowers against the rich and powerful. It usually involves less fawning and more harassment and threats. Oh, could it possibly be, Mrs. Haugen is as fake as they come?
Good point. "Whistleblowing" implies taking risks to disclose unpopular truths, not basking in adulation for telling the powerful what they want to hear. She's a butt kisser, not a whistleblower.
The "look how brave I am" part of her routine is disgusting. I don't see her trapped in an embassy, fighting off phony charges, losing her job, or being threatened by tobacco company thugs.
Hear, hear!
And this is why I no longer support the Democratic Party. The overreach and constitutional violations are staggering in efforts to stifle public debate, dissenting opinion, and free flow of information. She isn’t a whistleblower. She is just a whiner.
She is a whiner on a corporatist mission.
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Frances Haugen is the latest iteration of Christine Blasey Ford
These role playing narrative actors are sure not convincing at all. It's like a comediclly bad soap opera thing they have going on.
No, she is the tech version of Greta Thune.
Weaponized for some reason by the people in power to say some shit to help the people in power.
The Oscar goes to the douchebag DC capital police chief who cried about how he saved the Republic January 6 at the congressional hearing.
The recently promoted DC chief who just got $2billion more in funding, you mean?
No way. :)
Yeah, they wanted to defund him last summer when BLM was burning down the city but now he's there good little boy.
"No, she is the tech version of Greta Thune." - wonder how the tech version of "blah, blah, blah" sounds like.
well look what she said
"FACEBOOKS OWN RESEARCH SAYS ITS BAD"
thats the big news? lol the us government is a joke
Only to the extent that they should both be believed.
Like we believed Monica Lewinsky? Or how we believed Tara Reade? Or Mary Jo Kopechne's family?
Oh right, you are just another loser politics as religion who only wants to hold "their side" to that standard.
Get bent.
Believe all women!
Except Tara Reade of course...
Like the Duke Lacrosse accusers and Tawanna Brawley.
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Now you get a heart!
Go for it
A free society can only exist with the informed consent of the governed. When a critical mass of the governed lack the capacity to offer informed consent a free society is impossible.
Succinctly said. And unfortunately we are well on our way to a society of idiots who lack that ability to give informed consent.
"...the capacity to offer informed consent..."
This phrase is ominous, imo. Who are you to pass judgment on any individual's right to form their own opinion.
Censorship can backfire. The Streisand Effect is a real thing. If you tell people that they're not allowed to see something, they're going to want to see it even if they had no interest in seeing it before.
In China researchers have found that when people learn that something has been censored they are more likely to believe that it's true. The censorship actually serves to enhance the credibility of the thing that's being censored.
I think that a lot of vaccine hesitancy is being driven by censorship. People are far more skeptical of the vaccine than they otherwise might be because nobody is allowed to criticize it.
"People are far more skeptical of the vaccine than they otherwise might be because nobody is allowed to criticize it."--Wilcoxson
No people are skeptical of the injections because they have learned that it is poison. It contains Graphene Oxide and other toxic pollutants.
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I agree with your assertion in the title. They do not want to hurt Facebook, just make sure the tow the party line. Facebook is one of the biggest enablers of these speech tyrants.
Toe the party line (i.e. walk)
Yes, that too.
both work.
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Both work, but the term originally came from the Erie Canal, where the barges need to be towed by teams of laborers along a shallow stretch along the canal. 'Tow the line".
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The earliest usage referred to troops standing in line. It was always "toe".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line
I am skeptical. I think the phrase is "toe the line," as in "do exactly as you are told to do: stand here, with your toes on THIS line, NOW!"
Another application : ballet training. Uh-oh, now I'm thinking of Nicolas Cage in Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans--"Shoot him again, his soul is still dancing."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVOTx4Lx3pY
This fact made my day.
Uh, a Whitten fact is not the same as an actual fact. The phrase started out being spelled with "toe", not "tow". George Orwell, in his 1946 "Politics and the English Language", was already complaining that "toe the line is sometimes written as tow the line". The Oxford English Dictionary cites "toe the line" as the standard phrase, and describes how it evolved during the 1800s (it was originally "toe the mark", which evolved into "toe the line").
An informative thread from a three letter word and the proper context/usage.
Even if they take my beloved Glenn Greenwald and my other independent media away from me, I'm never going to go back to mainstream media. I'll just watch cat videos instead.
I think she was only at Facebook for a year, yet she was able to figure out the whole structure enough to steal the right documents and leak them to the WSJ. It just seems like she went there for that specific purpose. Someone’s behind her I’m sure.
This whistleblower looks very suspicious to me.
The fear Mr. Greenwald has for regulation leading to further dominance by Facebook and Google is well founded. Years ago I was walking through an industrial plant, with the company CEO and owner. The company was in an environmentally sensitive industry, with lots of "mom and pop" competitors. This guy's company was one of the largest in the industry. The topic of new environmental regulations came up in our conversation. The CEO at first bemoaned the cost, but went on to say it would drive out the mom and pop competitors. This would allow pricing (and profits) to improve. At that point he had an aw-shucks smile on his face. Beware of this Trojan horse.
Same reason why amazon and Walmart support raising minimum wage and rich elites support "tax the rich".
AOC's own previous employer "The Coffee Shop" closed because of the $2 rise in minimum wage in NY:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maggiemcgrath/2018/10/12/remembering-the-coffee-shop-a-new-york-institution-is-closing-after-28-years/#2e2cb1ae10a0
Quotes from the Forbes article:
> New York's minimum wage law would have added $46,000 a month to his labor costs in 2019. Milite said: "I know it doesn't sound like much -- $2 an hour. But when you multiply it by 40 hours, by 130 people, it becomes a big number. It was going to increase our monthly payroll $46,000."
> And yet, even this high level of sales wasn’t enough to inoculate the business from the rising cost of rent and wages in New York. Coffee Shop co-owner and president Charlies Milite told Forbes that rent had become “unusually high,” accounting for close to 27% of the restaurant’s gross revenues. Add in the scheduled $2-per-hour minimum wage hike set to take place on December 31—an increase that, across Coffee Shop’s 150 employees and multiple dayparts of service, would have added $46,000 to the monthly payroll—made it impossible to break even by cutting costs elsewhere.
Surely you aren't just now discovering corporatism & crony capitalism?
Agree. Which in regulator speak becomes "disparate impact".
You're certain that the chaos resulting from irrational and conflicting government regulation and the consequent disenfranchising effect on citizens is unintentional?
This "Whistleblower" narrative is so obviously manufactured. This woman is just another person whining about the very obvious -- indeed, cliched -- problems with spending too much time social media. (They get social anxiety, tend to seek out sources of confirmation bias, blah, blah . . .) Acting like this is suddenly a new "scandal" for which FB must reform is Fake News 101.
This is a replay of the Summer of 2020, when the New York Times and its ilk started attacking FB relentlessly for anything and everything, from privacy breaches, to "hate speech," to alleged sexual harassment in its workplace, to hit pieces on Sheryl Sandberg. It could not have been more obvious that this was all to intimidate FB to get on board with the left's plans to manage information flow during the 2020 election. It worked. And now they are at it again.
Most pathetic of all are the mainstream Republicans, who just watch their constituents getting censored and screwed yet again, and can only mutter that it's all fine because it's just a "private company." What losers.
PLEASE stop referring to these people as “liberals” - they are not. Call them leftists or the totalitarian left because there are of course leftists, perhaps yourself among them, that oppose this.
They believe that they are liberals, that's what they call themselves.
They also call themselves the Democratic Party. What's your purnt?
Taxonomy matters.
It's the taxonomy stup..! :)
Tried to put the whole word in but it got kicked back.
SubStack is now censoring pejoratives? Say it isn't so.
But they aren’t. And those who criticize their totalitarian propensities should call them out for what they are.
It doesn't matter. They are not. Don't concede the name to them. And don't accept their use of "fascist" as a meaningless pejorative. Insist on it only applying to those whose policies and actions mirror those of the original Fascists. Defending the language against abuses that serve the (and here I'm taking my own advice) fascist elites is one of the few things one can actually *do* in online fora that defends the American civil order (whether one prefers to call it "our democracy" or "the Republic").
All the one-word political labels end up corrupted, as you demonstrate twice in this comment with left and totalitarian. I found the word neoliberal useful until a couple of years ago. Eventually you just have to give up and use whatever terms are best understood by who you're communicating with. In Glenn's case talking to us, we know what he means.
For me it comes down to those who believe in Liberty for all, and those who do not (no matter what plumage they may display).
I think you are missing the point of the whistleblower. Haugen may have leanings toward regulations (a separate issue) but her concern is that Facebook has knowingly hidden its own research showing its negative effects on society (and the world). Her concern is about Facebook manipulating algorithms to channel information. She is arguing that engagement is Facebook's only aim: more engagement translates into digital addiction and consequently more revenue. Elected officials may be obsessed with censoring but Haugen is talking about a business model that is predatory. That the original "rating women" tech start-up has morphed into an ugly monster does not seem to concern Facebook.
Everyone thinks of Big Tech engineers as geniuses coding mysterious algorithms. But we forget that there is a huge psychological component to social media platforms that is also being "engineered." I see that as the issue here. Very smart engineers may be writing software so that our digital devices look beautiful but its the "product managers" like this woman who are figuring out ways that motivate people to act or react while online. This is powerful stuff. And if social media can make people react in nefarious ways, then Huston, we have a problem.
I concur. What Glenn writes here is true, though the rhetoric is a bit troublesome, but he ignores the concern that you point out. I am not sure, however, how to regulate w/o censoring.
Everyone should watch The Social Dilemma on Netflix.