The term "anti-vax" has expanded so widely that even vaccine advocates, such as Corbyn and trade unions, are now included by virtue of defending bodily autonomy.
But seeing these vaccines rushed to market, conflated as classical vaccines (they aren't); seeing them become extraordinarily leaky, requiring constant boosters for the rest of eternity; seeing them pushed on children (who have nearly zero risk from the virus); seeing the very real issues around cardiomyopathy being brushed away; seeing otherwise perfectly reasonable (and vaccinated) people demand that others vaccinated to protect their own health (if you're vaccinated, why do you care?); and seeing any opposition squashed and vilified... Yeah, call me whatever names, but the "science" I'm seeing applied has nothing to do with what I was trained in as actual science.
New "general rule"... whenever someone invokes "science", e.g., "science gave us these vaccines" it's akin to "god works in mysterious ways". Chances are near 100% that the Dunning Krugerite in question has no idea what the "science" is behind their chest beating and coat-tail riding superiority complex.
I find many people who claim to “believe in science” in reality believe in “scientism”, a pseudoreligious cult in which scientists are treated as priests privy to some knowledge not accessible to the common person — see, e.g,, the cult of Fauci. But in reality, this is the opposite of science — if the data contradicts the pronouncements of Fauci (or any other scientist), then the truth is in the data.
LOL! Science is democratic in that anyone can participate. All they need do is develop the competency. All of you anti-science types are just too lazy or stupid to get the required education, choosing the lazy way out with crap like what you just posted.
There is are literally THOUSANDS of scientists doctors and nurses ( btw, Phd level educated ppl,) who are debating the studies, or lack of studies in many cases, calling out the obvious suppression of anyone questioning this vaccine rollout, who are against the mandates and who have clinical experience with successful early treatments that are being censored deplatformed and canceled. Science should always remain open to debate and scrutiny. When science ceases to encourage honest debate it’s not science, it’s propaganda.
Jeffrey, just stop. Your fingers-in-ears denials about even the most basic of realities suggests that your capacity for critical thinking is on par with that of a footstool. You're embarrassing yourself.
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
I need listen no further to your shilling. Anyone not living under a rock for the past 2 years KNOWS that massive censoring of any evidence negative to mass vaccination has been CENSORED. In my own area all papers refused to even allow comments citing OFFICIAL data on adverse events. I try to be civil in discussions but not with TROLLS. If you wanted to make the weak point that the censoring is justified by public interest you would be wrong but not a TROLL. When you deny reality you identify your species as TROLL. Two words for you - one rhymes with a well known water fowl the other is a preposition. If you are even bright enough to decode that. TROLL.
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
LOL! Science is based on evidence and the research evidence indicated that the mRNA could provide the means to setup the immune system to fight future infections. there are not two sides to this issue.
No troll, but I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
The fact you used the qualifier "could" means that there definitely are many sides to this story. Nobody knows with any certainty about the long-term effects of these injections. Nobody knows the mRNA injection efficacy over the longer term and all evidence points to the fact that their efficacy wanes. We (as in humanity) are still gathering the evidence and anyone that claims the matter is settled is deluded.
Could means that some people's immune systems do not do what most people's do. Thee are not two sides to this issue.
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
Where's a downvote button when you need one. You're as offensive as anyone spouting pejoratives; STFU your damned self.
See? Doesn't that feel nice?
You're not here to persuade or otherwise have a fruitful conversation like most of us, you're here to attack people you don't agree with and, sorry, humanity is NOT served by that, no matter how much it gets your rocks off.
Doesn`t bother me one bit. The pejorative is justified or not. My reasoning for its use is set out (JB is clearly a troll as it denies reality). What is yours ?
Oh, that book must be good as RFK Jr. is an idiot. I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
"truth is in the data" if it was collected and analyzed properly.
As Samuel Clemmens once said, "There's lies, there's damned lies, and there there's statistics." And, as computer programmers would remind us: "Garbage in, garbage out."
As a scientist myself, I'm always looking for errors in data collection - did we get enough, is it the right kind of data to address what we hope to learn? Etc. And, errors in analysis are pervasive, and pretty much everyone is prone to them, so you have to teach yourself to ignore your hunches and biases most of the time and just go with a methodical procedure, like a pilot's checklist when flying a plane - and use your hunches to investigate possibilities you hadn't considered to analyze novel aspects. And, again, have someone else double-check your work! ...As they say in the writing field, "EVERYONE needs a good editor!" (Even Glenn!)
Same. Except I believe the vaccine schedule in the United States is now up to about 72 shots for children. This is absurd. There is clearly a profit driven motive going on. Bill Gates himself said he attributed the bulk of his wealth to the vaccines. I don’t think people would have such a problem if it weren’t for the obvious big Pharma cabal regulatory capture of our NIH American Medical Association CDC and world health organization. No one can deny this. Big Pharma is running the show, funding the so-called studies, lining the pockets of the corrupt Congress people who refuse to stand up. Fauci Tedros Daszak and all the others who have conflicts of interests as they are patent holders of the treatments being pushed like Remdesivir and also the vaccines being brought to market. All the evidence is there. People need only to connect the dots. It is so outrageous there are no words to describe it.
The reasoning to demand or at least deeply wish for others to get vaccinated comes from old wisdom passed down from at least my parents' generation. A population with a high vaccine rate (early predictions with the sarscov2 vaccine were 70%) can stop community spread. There are are always people who, for medical reasons, cannot get vaccines. If community spread can be stopped, and even better, the virus eliminated, those more vulnerable people can be protected. Sadly, I am seeing that this set of vaccines doesn't seem to be measuring up in ability to prevent spread, because people with breakthrough cases are still contagious. Perhaps at a higher vaccination rate... but I've been watching those places with a 70% vaccination rate and they are still having a lot of trouble with the virus spreading, as far as I can tell.
Stopping community spread is not an option with these vaccines. In reality, and as a top CDC official has admitted, they reduce but do not eliminate infection (Britain had over 5000 vaccinated people DIE in a month), and once infected, they do not prevent - or apparently even reduce - further spread. They may reduce the vaccinated person's chances of severe disease. Nice for them, but not a public health measure. It may even increase spread, by making more asymptomatic spreaders.
How would that stop community spread? These vaccines are nonsterilizing, they don’t stop people from spreading the virus, including to other vaccinated people. They just reduce the symptoms.
Poor Jeff hasn’t looked at the recent data showing higher vax rate, more cases. If they were anywhere close to effective enough to end the pandemic, the evidence would be obvious that they are stopping transmission. They aren’t, and it’s not close.
Vaccines don't need to be sterilizing to be effective at ending a pandemic, all they need to do is to reduce illness to a level that the health system can care for the worst cases without negatively affecting others.
What a rude and obnoxious comment. If you are such an expert, you should be able to draw the common sense conclusion that when people are saying "prevent infection" in this context, they really mean "prevent the spread of infection." How many hours have you spent in this comment section?
LOL! What is so rude about what I posted? I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
These vaccines may be even worse. The vaccinated get infected and for a period have no symptoms as they shed to others. We can only hope the vaccines do not result in damage to the innate immune system. We who are vaccinated are now quite worried after what we have done to ourselves. Omicron now seems to be affecting us!
Pity the textbooks aren't keeping up with the flood of news reports. The vaccine protects the individual against severe illness but not society.
LOL! I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
Pity you who doesn't know just how little you understand to post such stupid comments.
"The vaccinated get infected and for a period have no symptoms as they shed to others."
Just like the unvaccinated. However, because most people who took one of the three vaccines (here talking USA only) will have a good immune response immediately, their infectious period is substantially shorter - the exact amount is still under study but it's likely between, early data shows, 5X and 10X faster.
"We can only hope the vaccines do not result in damage to the innate immune system."
Incorrect; we can also know that said damage is impossible, given how they function. Because they have "artificially taught" the immune system how to recognize this pathogen, the "innate immune system" won't create its own response, since it's already responding, but beyond that, the mRNA provided isn't able to do any damage because what it does is encode what's sometimes called the or a "key" (and some even refer to it as a "flag" protein that will bond with a part of the virus - different mRNA vaccines can lock onto different parts of the target, but I understand that most virologists consider going after the particular coat protein called the spike is the best target. And so, the appropriate cells in your existing immune system simply produce this red-flag protein that will bond with a target and thereby identify for the immune system what to attack.
We don't have to worry about harming our "innate immune systems," though it would be nice if there was a way short of live infection for us to teach our bodies to recognize the virus as the body may recognize more of the coat proteins and thus make the immune response even stronger.
I was given heart by this recent JAMA article https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787447 which suggests in a small study that the re-infected gain a better immunity. But we still await larger analyses with great hope.
The issue is that vaccination sets up one's immune system to fight future infections and thus reduces the risk of severe illness and thus the risk of being contagious is reduced.
I suggest that you listen to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), listen to Vincent Racaniello's virology lectures and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube, they are actual college lectures, and watch Vincent's live streams on Wednesday evenings, see his youtube channel. All of these issues are covered with real science, good, bad and indifferent and you can post questions to him.
The information in the Harvard study was already known; the vaccinated clear the virus marginally faster than the unvaxxed (though peak viral production is roughly the same in both groups). The problem is that in real world scenarios, this shorter duration of viral shedding has little to no appreciable impact on community spread. That's shown in a study in The Lancet Infectious Diseases (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext) and by the fact that almost no correlation has between vaccination levels and spread in areas such as U.S. counties and countries around the world (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-021-00808-7).
Highly vaxxed states, such as those in New England, have experienced case surges even as low-vaxxed India and Africa have extremely manageable spread, relatively speaking.
Confounded data. Try more recent incremental data. The first four months of 2021 was when the vaccines we just beginning their rollout. Then in New England we were shocked to discover the vaccinated were carrying the virus and infecting others. Naked bath parties even for the vaccinated aren't wise, but they imagined they were safe.
And the vaccinated needed no medical care! What a fucking surprise!
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
About vaccinated people demanding vaccination mandates, it's not about them, it's about protecting the unvaccinated and helping reduce the economic burdens that the stupid anti-vaxxers bring down on everyone.
These "economic burdens" are a propagandized fiction, besides the fact that a free society does not force supposedly cost saving medical procedures on people as if they were some piece of equipment. I pay into the medical system every day and have used it very rarely, and I've not been in a hospital for anything. For what it's worth, I'm "fully" "vaccinated" by last summer's definition, but I've collected a list of fun new health issues in the time since my second shot. Related? Who knows! Certainly no one's looking into it. I can live with this, getting the shots was my own decision (under social pressure from friends and family, ofc), prior to the mandates and passports. But I would not get these shots in the current environment specifically because it would not be my decision, and I'm not interested in any boosters.
Coercing medical procedures is wrong and it needs to stop now. I can't believe we even have to say this.
LOL! The economics burdens due to the idiots who politicized the pandemic are very real.
Coercing vaccinations is right and would have worked had it been done earlier. Now I think that the antivaxxers should be forced to deal with their decision and be a lower priority to others who need health care. if they die, so much the better.
Thank you for being brave enough to admit out loud you’re for the gassing of the vermin, Jeff. Look how little time it took for the propagandists to convert you into a sociopath. Not nearly as long as it took many Germans to sign on to the Nazi propaganda about the disease-spreading Jews.
No one will accuse you and your fellow Stockholm Syndrome sufferers of using science, Jeff. Try shocking us for once and providing your peer-reviewed sources (sans conflicts of interest) for the lies you’re spreading on behalf of your BigPharma captors.
“The forest kept shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe. For the axe was clever and convinced them that since its handle was wood it was one of them.” —Anonymous
😂 Still have that mirror I gave you earlier? Might as well keep it since everything you say applies to yourself.
I have provided peer-reviewed evidence for every point I’ve made. You have slung ad hominem attacks and juvenile “nuh-uh,” “yuh-huh” retorts.
I see you’re not up to handling a mature debate based on scientific evidence, and I’ve wasted enough time on you already, so fare thee well and enjoy your brief life of everlasting boosters!
Conspiracies exist. That's why numerous laws (such as RICO) exist to deal with them.
The issue lies not in the theorizing, per se. The task is to determine which of the theories start with reasonable hypotheses based on *the evidence at hand*, and warrant further examination to determine if they are true or false.
Easy, you just typed your post, same way. Getting rid of these anti-science, denier types is a good thing. They do it to themselves because they are too stupid and are a big problem in every society in which they thrive.
So you want people who you think are stupid to die? Killing off the feeble minded was precisely the goal of the eugenics movement. Are you understanding yet why you look like a sociopath?
Has led to what? That it's a good thing that those who refuse to get vaccinated for the greater good may die? It's their doing, they deserve what they get as they have the opportunity to actually educate themselves with facts but refuse to. I've got nothing to do with their fate, they do.
That you think that way indicates that you're broken and a good example of the anti-science, anti-reality rot in the US. People like yourself are the direct cause of the 750,000 Covid-19 deaths in the US.
Yours is a stunningly stupid comment. It involves a conceit that is hard to fathom. To accuse folks who question whether to take a vaccine as being "a direct cause of the 750,000 Covid deaths" is really evidence of your own polemical irrationality. To say nothing of a stunning level of conceit.
You are the cause. If not for the likes of you and your ilk, more people would not have to deal with the anti-science, anti reality noise that has caused so much suffering and death.
Here’s a mirror, Jeff, since you’re talking about yourself.
And those 750,000 deaths? Your beloved Fauci and his corrupt drug cartel caused those by intentionally smearing and suppressing life-saving early treatment protocols and employing murderous drugs like Remdesivir and intubation/ventilation.
You’re mad at the wrong people. If you are courageous enough to challenge your propaganda-programmed cult beliefs, read “The Real Anthony Fauci” and get back to us with counterarguments to anything you dispute in there.
Oh, I see you’re a TDS sufferer, too. That explains how easily you’ve been manipulated into believing megacorporate lies.
Seriously, Jeff, this is getting exhausting trying to disenchant you of all of the propaganda you’ve swallowed. Please save me the trouble and dispel all of your delusions by reading “The Real Anthony Fauci.” I dare you.
Are you willing to pay those you contemptuously call "anti-vaxxers" when they are critically injured or die as a result of the vaccine? Will those economic burdens be shared? You are blindly allegiant to the Cult of Fauci, and have confused religion and science.
What about their risk from severe Covid-19? No, the vaccines are proven safe and effective. There is no point to any anti-vaxxer argument, period. The testing has already indicated what to watch out for.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have experienced negative side effect - many of them quite severe and many deadly. I'm sure you believe the sudden skyrocketing of myocarditis in very healthy young athletes is just a coincidence.
Vaccines should be limited to those at high risk. Those populations are well known. All others have been needlessly exposed to risk - including me.
In addition, we won't know the long term effects of this brand new, never before tried, experimental, approach to vaccines (mrna) for many years.
So all you can reasonably claim is that IN THE SHORT TERM (less than one year) the vaccines are safe.
They are not safe in the short term. The URF derived from comparing VAERS data to leaked Medicare data indicates VAERS is under-reported by a factor of 44 rather than Steve Kirsch's earlier estimate of 41. Given that there are well over 9000 deaths reported in VAERS, that means 43 times that number should have been reported but weren't, a total of about 400,000. Granted that not all of those were actually caused by the vaccines, it's still a huge number and explains the jump in all cause mortality for 2021 reported by CDC. It's not difficult to hide huge numbers of deaths in a population of 330,000,000.
The vaccines are very safe as proven by the number of vaccines given and the number of problems reported in VAERS, none of which has been proven to be due to the vaccine as stated on the VAERS site. However, even if some deaths are due to the vaccine the risk of Covid-19 is far, far greater.
"Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have experienced negative side effect - many of them quite severe and many deadly."
I've looked into this and found that ALL the analyses that make this claim ones I either stumbled across on my own (not many) or the ones people have pointed me to (most) fail to properly evaluate against the background and filter out the instances where there was a report but it was then show to have no causal type relationship to the vaccine under study - and when I say no causal relationship, I mean _completely_ not related.
You mean the CDC isn't analyzing the VAERS data...at all? What are they hiding?
See my post above: VAERS to VAERS; there have been more deaths and adverse reactions in one year, with one set of vaccines, than for ALL vaccines ... since 1986, when it was started. That automatically corrects for the deficiencies of VAERS.
And a footnote: going through this depressing string, it's pretty obvious that, on the whole, it's the "anti-scientific" "anti'vaxxers" posting data, not the vaxxers. You're an exception of sorts. And since you give no source nor any data, we have to take your argument on faith.
In other words - didn't reach the conclusion I wanted...
I'm sure it is just one big coincidence that, for example, myocarditis just happens to show up shortly after a lot of athletes get their jab. Even the Surgeon General of the US Military has admitted that more people will die from myocarditis over the next five years than will be saved by the vaccine.
You are being willfully blind, although I do hope that when you get "boosted" you don't suffer the same fate as so many others.
None of the reported side effects are verified to have been caused by the vaccines, this is stated on the VAERS site. However, reporting does provide a view into potential problems. This is a good thing.
Just understand that Covid-19 has killed over 800,000 Americans! Not one death has been proven to have been caused by the vaccines. However, if a few deaths are proven, the risk of Covid-19 is far, far greater as over hundreds of millions of vaccinations have been administered!
I’ll give you this, Jeff, you are impervious to evidence! Hats off to you for your obdurate obeisance to BigPharma propaganda.
“None of the reported side effects are verified to have been caused by the vaccines, this is stated on the VAERS site. However, reporting does provide a view into potential problems. This is a good thing.”
Hill’s Criteria of Causality has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt regarding the fatal and injurious consequences of these experimental injections. Here’s one video to get you up to speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MViwU3XOo
“Just understand that Covid-19 has killed over 800,000 Americans!”
If you are indeed a human being and not a pharma-funded bot, then please for the love of humanity get your head out of your propaganda and start waking up to the fact that you are defending the very monsters who pose the greatest threat to freedom and the survival of the human species in history.
Well, that's a sensible policy, but it's not what we're being told. We're told "it's to protect others", which is simply not true. The vaccines don't protect against infection.
And the other side of it is we have treatments now for Covid, such as monoclonal antibodies, which are amazingly effective if given early. So it's not all about protection. It's about Pfizer talking points.
"Protecting others" is true. While vaccines do not prevent infections they do prevent severe illness and that results in less virion replication and thus less spread.
Understand that vaccines set up the immune system t fight future infections and cost about $20/dose while monoclonal antibodies do not and cost any where from $2,000 to $5,000/dose. They're as effective as your own antibodies but they aren't vaccines!
B-I-N-G-O! So when are you going to pry your eyes open?
BTW, why don’t you look up the lot numbers for your injections and see if they’re among the 5% of toxic batches responsible for 90% of the adverse reactions? Then you can start focusing on mitigating your potential adverse reactions rather than fighting those who are trying to save people like you from risking their lives and health for a fraudulent narrative and totalitarian aims: http://howbad.info/ (more context here: https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/uk-scientist-reveals-bombshell-data)
I don't smoke and I don't drink, yet I pay the economic burden of those that do. I don't have children yet pay the economic burden of sending other people's children to school. If you are willing to make sure those economic burdens are not carried by me, I'm willing to carry my "COVID tithe-ance".
You're also paying the financial burden created by those who refused to wear masks, keep their distance from others, isolate themselves, get vaccinated already. Also, I am carrying all those burdens that you list! The point is that it got this bad because of fucking ill-informed, "don't tread on me" assholes. We can't go back, but that doesn't change the fact that had those assholes been better people, we'd be in a far better place.
I know you're a troll but I have to admit I find you entertaining. You keep repeating your mantra that vaccines are "safe and effective" but there's no way we know they are safe until long term effects are studied. As you know "the science" at one time proclaimed that cigarettes, asbestos, and lead paint were "safe." Critical thinkers who thought otherwise I'm sure you would have labelled "anti-science." As far as their effectiveness, despite mass vaccinanations we're experiencing wave after wave of re-infections, many of which are occurring in the vaccinated. Yeah, sounds real effective. The polio and small pox vaccines were effective because those diseases are essentially eradicated. Not so with COVID which is essentially a flu virus and the flu will always be with us. Deal with it.
You guys need to stop responding to this troll. Your just encouraging him and clogging up the message discussions. Which is probably the purpose of a troll.
You're absolutely right. I engage him partly to show others he's a troll but also because in other posts I've gotten under his skin and pissed him off. It's a guilty pleasure but you're right I should stop.
You need to educate yourselves by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
They do. The virions are in aerosols and droplets and thus wearing a masks greatly reduces how much viral particles, both viable virions and extraneous viral proteins, RNA, etc. Add to that keeping apart from others and you have a greatly reduced risk of illness.
Can you provide any evidence to back up those statements, like you keep demanding of everyone else? And keep in mind that any evidence would need to take into account countries like Sweden.
WTF don't you get that having enough people refuse to a) follow the guidelines, masks, distance, etc, and (b) get vaccinated have led to people losing their jobs, businesses closing down, inflation, etc?
Or its about protecting ourselves from the clot shot:
Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
Oh, so you're acknowledging now that the vaccines are not, in fact, safe? That's a good start. Now see if you can wrap your head around the concept of variable risk for different populations based on e.g. age, health, etc
No, they're safe and effective. The risks of a side effect from the vaccine is far, far lower than the risks of severe illness or death from Covid-19, as the Covid-19 mortality numbers prove. Nothing is risk free, start there.
Try looking up absolute risk reduction and get back to us about the point of mass vaccination with a leaky shot. We really should quit feeding troll boy jeff
Correct, so how do you define "safe" then? Are people allowed to have different risk levels that they consider "safe", or do you believe that there is some universal, authoritarian definition of "safe" that everyone must agree with?
If I say that bungie jumping is "safe", are you compelled to agree with me? If the government says bungie jumping is "safe", are you compelled to agree with them? Or are you allowed to say, "you might be comfortable with that level of risk, but I'm not"?
Are you beginning to see how the "safe and effective" mantra doesn't actually capture the real world?
I really don't care about the anti-vaxxers, let them suffer Covid-19 including the risk of death, the issue are those that cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons.
Hey jeff, can you explain to me why I should take a vaccine that causes more severe adverse events then the number of severe covid cases it prevents? Effective indeed, if you mean effective in causing people to need medical care.
I don't care if you do or don't, the issue is that if morons like you were to get vaccinated the pandemic would be over, we'd be in a seasonal flu situation. But no, you prefer to read non-science bullshit like that blog post.
I wrote that post and am a scientist. Let's memorialize the fact that you don't care if I don't get vaccinated. I applaud this attitude and will let the other stuff pass.
The real issue here is the generation of mutant strains - that's what the unvaccinated do is provide the fodder for the virus and provide lots of instances - opportunities - for mutation. Only the ignorant or the idiotic would deny that.
Well then please explain how so many already vaccinated people are still providing fodder for the virus and getting infections? In addition, the natural course of every viral epidemic in recorded history has been that as it spreads throughout the population, it weakens. The "Omicron" variant is exceedingly mild and may signal an end to the COVID 19 hysteria.
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
I hate to tell you that if the vaccinated are, as data reveals, getting infected that implies viral replication. Any single stranded RNA virus is subject to many replication errors as it battles the immune system. The real danger in a leaky vaccine are replications in the vaccinations that evade the induced immunity. Those replications are even more hazardous to the vaccinated. So far, we can hope Omnichron will remain somewhat benign to the unvaccinated, we await the fate of the vaccinated, but hope it remains mild.
LOL! I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
The vaccines work and have been proven safe and effective. After you're vaccinated, your anti-bodies contract over time, this is the same with all diseases, but your immune system is set up to respond to another SARS-CoV-2 infection. However, as it takes time to ramp up the immune response, a booster provides neutralizing antibodies that are ready to go. It isn't that boosters will be necessary forever, but that they are a good idea now as cases have increased.
Of course, you're mistaken. That is not how the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines work.
MRNA vaccines alter the gene structure so that cells become less receptive (though not completely unreceptive, hence the less than 100% efficacy) to the spiked proteins of the virus attaching themselves to the cell's outter walls. The more the cellular structure is altered via the nanolipids, the less ability they have to employ natural immunity, thus, causing an increased reliance on external aid (boosters).
In short, these MRNA vaccines are effectively altering and diminishing our immune system with each new dosage.
LOL! OK folks, this is a great example of either a troll or an idiot. mRNA is transcribed in the nucleus and moves to the cytoplasm where it is used as a template for a ribosome to synthesize a protein. It has nothing to do with altering gene structure.
In the case of the Covid-19 vaccine, the mRNA is used to synthesize the spike protein that is then presented to the immune system as an antigen such that the immune system will identify it as "other" and generate an immune response.
“Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site.… Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines.”
You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it regarding the progressive destruction of your immune system with each successive injection (as demonstrated in Dr. Nathan Thompson’s analysis of a patient’s pre-and post-vaxx (#1 and #2) bloodwork: https://www.brighteon.com/d0b119e8-6c42-4bc3-9e32-d6d37b1ff769). Just get an enhanced autoimmune panel to see how your specific immune system has been affected. Better yet, get one before and after each booster shot you get from now until infinity and see how your natural killer T-cells fare before and after each shot.
Oh, and make sure you add regular D-Dimer tests to your lab work to detect microclots before they become fatal cardiac events.
😆 A “denier” site? Brighteon is simply a video-hosting service—it has no agenda besides permitting free speech, unlike your Big Tech overlords.
Did you watch the video? Like I said, you don’t have to take anyone’s word for it. Go get your enhanced immune panel tests and see how your very own immune system is doing. Pure data, no opinion needed.
Hey smart guy, you are injecting yourself with a technology that tells your body to create the spike - the very thing that causes illness and disease. Sounds super safe!
Per your original assertion that the vaccines result in a 'contraction of antibodies' you highlight your misunderstanding of "the science".
That you can cut and paste from a site explaining a portion of the process in no way means you understand what was written, what you posted, and what the full process actually is.
This is absolutelly false and anything that follows therefrom can safely be discounted as it's based on a faulty perception:
"MRNA (SIC) vaccines alter the gene structure so that cells"
NOPE!
No genetic material is altered.
mRNA is inserted. It provides directions for cellular machinery to create a particular immune response. NO DNA IS ALTERED, and neither is RNA, for that matter, though our cells don't use RNA as genetic material.
Well, that's not what we were promised. We were promised one vaccination and you're done. I remember very clearly the outrage at the FDA over the idea of a booster back in June. It was dismissed out of hand. A few months later, it was outright panic.
Did you ever wonder why adults who have had chickenpox as adults aren't scared to be around their kids who have chickenpox? That's long-term immunity and is proven to last a long, long time.
So "Your antibodies contract over time" is a confusing statement from a science perspective, and perhaps you meant t cell immunity.
There are four major proteins in Covid. The antibodies created by the vaccines only protect against one - the spike protein. The variants are merely mutating the spike protein to get around the vaccine.
These vaccines absolutely protect against hospitalization and mortality. But they are not what we were promised, and they sure as hell don't protect against infection. These are weak, leaky vaccines.
The vaccines also cause hospitalization. No one is keeping careful track of that, but the safety studies showed more severe adverse vaccine events than severe covid. "Severe" means requiring medical attention. See my substack.
"But they are not what we were promised, and they sure as hell don't protect against infection. These are weak, leaky vaccines."
Then you didn't understand vaccines. Vaccines do NOT protect against infection. Never did. Vaccines protect against severe illness. Read some textbooks, watch TWiV, and take the virology and immunology classes provided by Vincent Racaniello and Brianne Barker on youtube.
I think you're just making things up at this point. Classical vaccines do prevent against infection and that's the whole point. That's why polio, smallpox, yellow fever and other major diseases have been nearly eradicated when we implemented vaccination. Smallpox - one shot, 95% reduction in infection. Google it or watch your favorite youtube videos.
TWiV seem like some real idiots. They were talking about how warm fall weather in New England is a sign of global warming. That weather pattern has been around forever and is called Indian summer. I'm sure their virology is just as insightful.
yes, you have literally just said the exact same thing. If you don't understand how your statement is the equivalent of the other statement, you are just regurgitating material you have heard.
No, he's right; it's not at all the same thing. For one, it's a generational difference. YOUR statement is that the parent changes when it's the child that may have changes and these changes are rather random and may or may not "help" the next generation of virus not be caught by the immune system. And, if you don't understand why these are different statements, you are just regurgitating your incorrect perceptions you have heard or made up.
No, there is a difference. Genetic material mutates, proteins do not, they are produced by the mRNA as instructed. A protein may have thus be different from that produced by other mRNA variants, but it has not mutated.
Okay, so you're just being pedantic. It was obvious that was the meaning of the original statement, since the protein synthesis is just a direct result of the mutation in gene encoding for that protein. It's perfectly acceptable to say that the protein is a mutation.
"There are four major proteins in Covid. The antibodies created by the vaccines only protect against one - the spike protein. The variants are merely mutating the spike protein to get around the vaccine."
They chose the spike protein as it is the obvious choice as antigen as it is the most exposed. The vaccines don't protect against the antigen, they provide the means for its creation in cells to generate an immune response to it such that it is recognized in future infections.
yeah, having your own cells producing the toxic spike protein is SUCH a good idea.
As I understand., cells expressing a foreign protein are killed by the immune system - part of the process. How many would that be? And where? There are reports of spike protein in very odd places.
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
The definition of severe covid has a lot in common with panic attacks. Both are characterized by respiratory distress and over 30 breaths per minute are enough for a severe covid diagnosis if there is a positive lab test. That is the FDA definition.
Many people with a positive covid test will experience panic, even if the disease is otherwise mild. The vaccine effect could be mostly mental after the antibodies wear off.
boosters will be necessary forever...it's in Fauci's playbook, if he can get away with it...the COVID vaccine is minimally effective at a maximum price in both dollars and health...
That's not definite. At the moment the booster is suggested only because it produces a lot of neutralizing anti-bodies for about 6 months and so if a vaccinated person is exposed, they don't have to wait for anti-body production to ramp up. After 6 months the immune system naturally contracts the anti-bodies as they are no longer needed.
If the refusal of people to get vaccinated doesn't result in other SARS-CoV-2 serotypes, then boosters in the future might be seen as a good measure as flu vaccines are now, but wouldn't be argued as necessary as the immune system would still recognize the SARS-CoV-2 antigens and step up a response.
Children may have a reduced chance of severe Covid-19 but that is not zero risk. Children should get immunized for the same reason that adults do, a) to reduce their risk of severe Covid-19 and (b) to reduce their threat to others if they do develop Covid-19.
That is a statement that is thoroughly incorrect. Children are not major spreaders of Covid, simply because they don't carry much viral load. Further, they are at minor risk from Covid - long Covid is extremely rare, and mortality is almost zero.
Yet we don't know the long-term effects of the vaccine on children. So you want to pump an experimental gene therapy into your kid? That's criminal in my view.
If you're at risk or over 60, get the vaccine! But for children, it makes zero sense.
Jeff, I'm sure you're a well-meaning, very smart person. But on this, I might offer a correction - as the character said in the famous film: "I do not think you know the meaning of that word".
There are two major vaccines - DNA vector (J&J, AZ) and mRNA (Pfizer, moderna). DNA vector inserts DNA to create the spike protein into a common virus (the adenovirus). mNRA simply inserts the mRNA instructions for the cell to create the spike protein. As you probably remember from your high school biology, mRNA is an RNA molecule that is complementary to one of the DNA strands of a gene.
Classical vaccines use a dead, or attenuated version of the virus to push the body to create the immune response. These new vaccines use a form of gene engineering to create at least a partial effect of the classical vaccines.
I think mRNA technology is downright magical and will revolutionize medicine. I'm just not thrilled to be beta testing something which has no long-term studies.
"Jeff, I'm sure you're a well-meaning, very smart person. ". A nice try to draw this clown into an intelligent conversation. But it is really hopeless. He is neither well-meaning nor smart. Just read his comments - he posts like a troll. No good intentions there. No incisive thinking. Just an authoritarian clown who thinks he's discovered irreproachable truth.
All right, perhaps "gene therapy" is not perfectly accurate, as it gives an impression that genes are altered. A more perfect term - uncontested by any scientist - would be "genetic-based therapy". And on that, I think we can agree.
"While all children are capable of getting the virus that causes COVID-19, they don't become sick as often as adults. Most children have mild symptoms or no symptoms"
and
"However, some children become severely ill with COVID-19."
Therefore, my statement is correct, just stated differently. You are simply restating my point regarding that point. However, we know the long term effects of the vaccination in children, an immune system setup to deal with a future SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Where are your long-term clinical studies proving this is safe for children? For that matter, where are your long-term clinical studies proving this is safe for adults?
"This gene forces your child’s body to make toxic spike proteins"
Toxic? How? The fact is that if there is a problem with the mRNA vaccine then the same threat exists with the SARS-CoV-2 virus as the spike protein is present on the virus and is expressed when the virus takes control of the cell that it has entered. So, where's his research?
If the spike problem exists then it exists in a SARS-CoV-2 infection too, which then presents the decision to risk severe illness too or just the risk of the spike. Malone has provided NOTHING, I searched scholar.google.com and got no results, to support his allegation and there's no results for "spike toxicity".
Umm, maybe you’re unaware that Dr. Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology and thus has a bit of inside knowledge on the topic? And yes, you’re right—they found out about the SARS-CoV2 spike protein being toxic *after* they turned the vaxxed into spike protein factories. Oops.
Maybe you’re also unaware that the spike protein has been found to stay in the vaxxeds’ bloodstream for at least 15 months (https://palexander.substack.com/p/spike-protein-and-components-s-1) (that’s as long as it’s been studied—no telling how long it actually stays).
Lasting immune response comes from infection. Not from this vaccination.
As far as "some children become severely ill", do you know how many healthy kids have died of Covid? Out of 73 million children in America, there have been 700 deaths from Covid, of which most of the children had co-morbidities. This is not the plague -at least for children.
As for kids getting vaccinated, I'll let the medical professionals tell us what they think should happen. They're competent, pay attention to them and discuss their suggestions.
It’s just a fragment of the 3+-hour long hearing (https://thehighwire.com/videos/live-in-d-c-expert-panel-on-medical-mandates-vaccine-injuries/), but I don’t expect you to give up that much of your life to shatter your BigPharma-induced hypnosis—although I would be seriously impressed if you had the courage to do that and would applaud you for your compassion if you did!
I agree. It is beyond the pale that trolls dismiss the suffering of these human beings and millions of other individuals around the world and won’t even relinquish 12 minutes of their lives to listen to their heartbreaking stories but instead double-down on defending the megacorporations raking in trillions in profits without a penny of liability for those they have grievously harmed and murdered.
Oh yes, slam your brain shut lest any information from sources not approved by BigPharma sneak in! How about evaluating the data for yourself instead of seeking out pharmaceutically-verified shills who prove your propaganda-implanted confirmation bias.
You don't know what you're talking about. Listen to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv) and watch Vincent Racaniello's virology lectures on youtube you'll know more than you do now.
1. What do you mean by "classical" vaccines that you claim these aren't?
1. These are not classical vaccines. A classical vaccine creates a lasting immune response by injecting a dead or attenuated version of the live virus (e.g. smallpox, measles, etc.); or it provides the full protein makeup of the virus (e.g. your annual flu vaccine). These new vaccines use DNA vector or mRNA technology to get into the cell, and "tell" the cell to create the spike protein. It's very novel and has not been done ever before in mass volume.
2. Leaky means a) they don't protect against infection and b) people who get Covid and are vaccinated can spread Covid. That's my definition of leaky, but if you think there's a better one, let me know!
Here are the 5 types of vaccinations for your reference:
So, they're "leaky"? They work. the vaccines reduce the chance of severe illness and as peak shedding occurs pre-symptom anyway, leakiness isn't actually a problem as noted, it happens anyway. Also, there is the fact that vaccinated people who shed are shedding virus at a far lesser rate than those unvaccinated and as 80% of Covid-19 cases are caused by 20% of those with Covid-19, it isn't that easy to spread.
"Breakthough" implies something that is not true, that vaccinated people do not get sick, they do but as their immune system was setup by the vaccination to identify antigens, they fight it off far sooner than had they not been vaccinated.
And the vaccinated have little to no symptoms! Also, there's no indication that they spread any viable virions! They may shed viral material, but if they produce little viable virions, then they spread no disease.
Actually we don’t know how many died FROM COVID as opposed to dying WITH COVID.
Two very different numbers.
My daughter’s trip to have her new son had a COVID diagnosis and line charges. She, her husband and newborn all tested “positive” but were totally asymptomatic. No special treatment required.
But her visit counts as a “COVID hospitalization.”
Not to mention: hospitals get $39,000 for a ventilator used on a COVID patient but only $19,000 for using the same ventilator on non-COVID patient. So is there any surprise that just about everything is a COVID case?
Cass, if any of my comments make me appear to be dismissive of Covid, that was certainly not my intention. It is a nasty disease and I know of people who have died from it. I do not take it lightly.
My issue is with the public policy. Vaccine mandates, lockdowns, mandatory masking aren't the solution. And any attempt at medical protocols to heal those who do get ill are dismissed (except for monoclonals, and they still have a hard time getting accessed outside of Florida).
People who die from Covid are typically over 50, and many have co-morbidities or weight issues. These people need the vaccine. My issue is with many of the other decisions.
I am curious whether you know of other factors that separate the serious-COVID-illness susceptible from others. In fact, I've asked that for a year and a half without getting satisfactory answers. But it must go beyond the (often) self-care related co-morbitities identified. Regularly we hear of cases of young, healthy people dropping dead of COVID. How does that happen? What's going on?
Actually, young, healthy people rarely drop dead of Covid. The age stats skew dramatically to older people, and the obese and people with co-morbidities.
Yet to your point, there is something else at play. For example, the science tells us that vitamin D3 has potentially potent anti-viral properties. And we now know from many studies that vitamin D has been found to be low in COVID-19 patients (and people commonly drink sodas with high fructose corn syrup - which in fact, is a deactivating agent to vitamin D). Perhaps that plays a role. And obesity plays a massive role as well.
It doesn't bother me when the media uses a "sexy" anecdotal story to draw viewers, but when they meanwhile studiously avoid pointing out what's representative and what is not, they do a grave disservice.
Are cytokine storms predictable, i.e. who gets them and who doesn't?
If we can, more or less neatly, separate the causes of the young/healthy cases from the old/weak cases, why aren't only they the ones quarantined, vaccinated, etc.? Why, in short, *must* everyone continue to be vaccinated?
Two years in, it seems we'd have better answers to these questions to predict who is truly at risk to become ill, *if* TPTB cared about it.
I suspect that cytokine storms happen more often in people who have hyperactive, dysregulated immune systems to begin with.
No one really knows what percentage of the population has some sort of autoimmune condition / disease, but a current estimate is that between five and eight percent of the population of the US has some kind of autoimmune disease, and the prevalence is rising.
I had autoimmune thyroiditis for about two decades before it was medically diagnosed. (I had all the symptoms of insufficient thyroid hormones all those years.) It was triggered by a massive exposure to toxic chemicals - specifically flame retardants. I've been sick ever since then (i.e. most of my adult life) with chronic fatigue / immune dysfunction / extreme environmental and chemical sensitivity syndrome.
Prior to getting the Pfizer covid vax, I was completely unaware that people with autoimmmune diseases are at high risk of adverse reactions to vaccines of all kinds - not just the covid "vaccines."
I had a catastrophically bad reaction to the Pfizer poison, and now, nine months later, I have lasting neurological damage from strokes or microstrokes, and / or massive, sustained, whole-body inflammation caused by the clot shots. Four months after the second shot I was still experiencing new, further manifestations of the severe damage the shots have done to my body. I still feel sick most of the time.
As far as I know no, cytokine storms are entirely unpredictable when the trigger is a novel pathogen.
I started watching this unfold in early January 2020. I had very serious concerns, so much so that I had my pantry and fridge stocked when impeachment theater was the story of the day every day.
By June 2020 we had much more data and knew the CFR is nowhere near as bad as it looked., even without the seroprevalence studies showing the true infection rate an order of magnitude greater than the “case rate” over which everyone frets.
Since autumn 2020 I’ve considered this whole thing a sham.
For what purpose I’m not sure but it has nothing to do with health.
I think it’s what Jim Clyburn said early on: it’s their chance to change the country their way.
Please look up Dr. Peter McCullough. They're talking about hydroxyquinone and ivermectin - it's now a fairly long list. They were actively suppressed, especially in the US, because they compete with the lucrative vaccines and new drugs.
McCullough is a prestigious doctor - usually runs through his credentials, a cardiologist, who does both research and treatment. His protocol is apparently quite complex - and in his experience, effective.
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Until quite recently, people with Covid were routinely just sent home until they showed signs of dying, because there was no acknowledged treatment. this happened to my wife's relatives. That isn't good medicine.
Malicious labeling is how authoritarians dismiss any and all opposition. They test their terminology in focus groups and then march out in lockstep using their new talking points to demean and dismiss all intelligent discussions. Anti-vaxxers is just another example of how they use words to create war.
They worked to paint anyone who failed to deeply genuflect and bow down to their version of weather as “Climate Deniers”. They maliciously associated those of us who know that there is very little science that’s ‘settled’ as ‘deniers’. They are openly equating our insistence on simply seeing climate evidence as being no different than being in favor of loading Jews into boxcars. The more heinous the accusation, the more emphatic they become.
Their language has a singular intent; sit down and shut up. The Left’s idea of a new normal is easily understood. They want all the power and they want it now. Because that’s what authoritarians do.
Anti-vax Nazis and CRT-spouting socialists make up the whole of our neatly divided population, so I'm told. Yes, it's about social control. But no, it's not just "the left" (as if that's what Democrats were anyway). Divide us and make us angry about culture war battle of the week and all the robber barons who own the government and the media can continue to feed on us.
Climate, Covid, Carbon Trading, Critical Theory, even the Election ... Problems are presented in outline form, then later refined to fit the predetermined solution.
I am astonished and encouraged to discover a politician on the left speaking out against these authoritarian, discriminatory measures. Despite my disagreements with many of Corbyn’s past stances, I believe defeating totalitarianism transcends all other issues and am proud to join with open-minded individuals across the political spectrum to resist the authoritarian measures spreading around the world like an infectious disease.
The Left was hijacked with Marx. I know, so much has occurred since, it's easy to be confused.
But the Left's priority is equality and democracy -- the exact opposite of communist control by a self-selected totalitarian elite. It's one of the pieces of the original French "liberte, egalite, fraternite". (The Right's is liberty. The last one is the healthy form of nationalism common to both sides.)
You'll find there are very few street-level Leftists with a mad desire to control people ... then or now.
Then they'd better begin speaking out against the lunatics running the political left today because they are absolutely promoting authoritarian policies (lockdowns, mandates, mask requirements, travel restrictions, 'misinformation legislation', selective law enforcement against political enemies, solitary confinement, de platforming on social media, etc, etc, etc.
The current rank-and-file Left in the US are Stockholm syndrome victims. Since they feel there's no alternative to the Democratic Party, they meekly accept the monsters who run it (along with shepherds like Bernie), and so rationalize any nonsense those monsters come up with, no matter how soul-crushing.
They've swallowed the idea that ends (a healthy safety net) justifies the means (e.g. wokeness). But the ends never seem to arrive ... funny how that happens, and the show keeps rolling: e.g. Failure to properly implement racial justice in the 60s-70s; Failure to codify Roe v Wade after 1973; Failure to temper NAFTA properly in the 90s so that the "flattening" of economies didn't decimate US working classes; Failure to get real about a proper approach to immigration; the list is long.
I disagree - the rank and file are fully aware of their desire to control people and are that way willingly. I know many of these folks...they are not victims - they are perpetrators.
Those who truly believe control is central to Leftism (rather than, say, an unfortunate and sometimes necessary means) are not, IMO, Leftists. I use the original meaning of the word, not Marx's unfortunate corruption. (See my first comment above.)
Spot on. Yet they continue to get "triangulated" (to use a Bill Clinton term) into worse and worse socio-economic position decade after decade by voting in the same neo-liberal DNC corrupt set of politicians.
Thank heavens their progeny are demanding more and better; if there will be some political turn-around, it'll be due to the Millennials and younger generations, which are legion in scale and progressive (genuine progressive) in viewpoint.
There are no "lunatics running the political left today" - they're neo-liberals, and not at all "left," but all the same, damned right we've been speaking out against them since they entered the scene, oh, roughly with Bill Clinton's inauguration. Trouble is, they have the money, and therefore the microphone and the ultra-rich love them and shower them with money and attention; it's hard to fight against that, especially with all those unthinking people out there who just absorb the propaganda.
It would help us a lot if you folks would please stop calling them "left" and use "neo-liberal" instead - even just "liberal" would be better; that way, you at least acknowledge we exist!
BTW, check out Jimmy Dore on Youtube for a great example of a genuine left person who DOES have an effective microphone and REGULARLY calls out the damned Neo-Liberals! GO JIMMY!
We partially agree. Hollywood, pop culture, AOC, Pelosi, etc. are drowning out any rational left perspective and they have all the power and money. However, where's the civil liberties crowd? Where's NOW? Where's the ACLU? Where's the Sierra Club? Crickets when they should be speaking out against all the shit we've witnessed these last 18 months. I love Jimmy Dore and we need a million more of him.
Just as the ACLU has changed its messaging and its target audience, the Sierra Club is nothing but a money-sucking machine that promotes neo-liberal policies and attacks actual environmentalists. The Sierra Club now condemns its creator, John Muir, as if he was a white supremacist. We are seeing our history erased, our language rewritten, and our heritage destroyed.
KPFA has become a mouthpiece for the powers which are instituting fascism / totalitarianism in our own country and around the world. KPFA is a classic example of the controlled opposition.
Have they ever, even once, questioned the government propaganda about covid and the so-called "vaccines?" Have they ever, even once, questioned the origin of SARS-CoV-2? Have they ever, even once, questioned the mask mandates, social distancing, the lockdowns, the vax mandates, or the safety and effectiveness of the "vaccines?" Why do they invariably, automatically, pathetically genuflect to the government sponsored / controlled “public health experts” who do nothing but spout government propaganda?
It seems that KPFA and its affiliate and sister stations are having an increasingly difficult time convincing listeners to support them financially. I’m not surprised by this. They’ve certainly lost my financial support!
I’ve no doubt that the CIA, DARPA, and numerous other evil US government organizations will gladly make up the shortfall in their budget.
I agree, and I make a distinction between rational individuals who consider themselves on the left (as I did for most of my life) and the politicians, who are owned by megacorporations and the global elite.
Possibly. But they're then not reconciling the reasons they (most likely) became Leftists, and are instead mindlessly following Siren songs from their hijackers (as I describe below re Stockholm syndrome).
I think you're wrong about Marx, but I don't care to argue. I'm presently on an effort to re-read Marx's actual writings since I last read his work back in the '70s. Here's one source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/index.htm
His work has been re-articulated since his death - and, indeed, during his life - by the ultra-rich capitalists, and in so doing, they've largely redefined what he was about. His real goal was "genuine democracy," and his big mistake was in thinking that before we could get there, the old system had to be thoroughly wiped out and THEN we could build a new, fair system. And, so the capitalists seized on this and tried to paint Marx as only advocating that... It's a long discussion, potentially.
However, I'd happily go along with a slight rephraise of your remark:
The Left was hijacked by "Marxism."
(The quotes indicate it's not really what Marx was about, just what people THINK he was about.)
The old system is in the process of being thoroughly wiped out. It's unfortunate that there is nothing to replace it. The standard of living we have grown used to is paid for by ever-increasing debt and our economy is built like a house made of playing cards.
I suspect that, in the future, everyone besides the super-rich that control the world will share equally in poverty and squalor.
I do not agree that there's nothing to replace it - see a recent comment of mine downthread. However regarding this comment of yours, surely this is the goal of the ultra-rich: "everyone besides the super-rich that control the world will share equally in poverty and squalor. "
"However, I'd happily go along with a slight rephrase of your remark:
The Left was hijacked by 'Marxism.' "
I'll accept that provisionally. But it seems if Marx didn't take pains right off the bat to warn of the danger of the loss of democracy to the vanguard, and to propose a remedy similar in sophistication to his critique of capitalism (IMO, it's really that important, as there was plenty of sorry human history already in 1848 to show this), I'll maintain my skepticism.
Instead, my working hypothesis is that Marx and compatriots sensed a power vacuum, and ran to seize it. How they justified it in writing and speeches may not reflect their true feelings; a deeper contextual analysis of Marx is necessary. I'm no Marx scholar, but read a fair amount by/about him a while ago, and it took decades for me to come to this painful conclusion.
They all give it lip service ... but everywhere, power-hungry sociopaths wiggle their way to the top. It's a structural problem in civilization we have to figure out.
I am aware of brave individual voices on the left (e.g., Left Lockdown Sceptics: https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/) speaking out against mandates and other authoritarian measures being deployed in the name of COVID, but very few *politicians* on the left have been courageous enough to go against the WEF agenda (many of them having been groomed and installed by WEF: https://swprs.org/the-wef-and-the-pandemic/). Tulsi Gabbard comes to mind, but she has always been a rare outlier when it comes to pressures to conform to the party line.
Which politicians on the left have you seen taking a vocal stand against totalitarian edicts rather than advocating them?
Our corrupt media and electoral systems make it extremely difficult for genuine leftists to win elections, and the few who manage to do so are eventually co-opted by the thoroughly bought-off bodies to which they were elected. Our leftist leaders cannot be found in public office, nor are they often seen and heard over the MSM. Independent media is their sole outlet. But they do have followers, and here we are.
I know individuals who fit this description but very few leaders. I’m not questioning that they exist but would love to know the names of those who have been brave enough to stand against the COVID narrative and tyranny.
Well, I have managed to gather a fair-sized collection of URLs on COVID, and among them are some courageous voices who have spoken out against the COVID narrative and tyranny. I've selected a few for you, but of course the list is nowhere near exhaustive. Most are medical doctors and scientists, but there is also a well-known billionaire, a famous entertainer (and there are undoubtedly others, including Jimmy Dore and Joe Rogan), high-placed cardinals in the Catholic church, an outspoken Republican senator, a Noble Laureate virologist, a respected medical journal and a satirist. Slightly less well known are our own heroic commentators including the very courageous Glenn Greenwald.
Quite a few of these are from ZeroHedge, a somewhat rightwing news aggregator with mostly troglodyte commenters that does a respectable job of seeking out and reporting info we'll never find in the MSM. They're also good about publishing Greenwald, Taibbi, and news about Julian Assange.
What this tells me is that we can find common ground with the Right in our resistance to censorship and authoritarianism. At this point, we need to form alliances based on our common interests b/c the opposition owns the MSM (thanks to Clinton's 1996 Telecom Act) and much of the existing wealth & power.
Totally agree, and thank you for collecting these links! (ZeroHedge has published three of my articles, so they’re fine by me 😉 I do agree about some of the commentators, tho 😆).
I, too, have been calling for people to rise above the artificial partisan boundaries erected to divide us so we can join together to defeat totalitarianism. In my mind, being pro-freedom and anti-tyranny trumps all other issues right now.
Oh yes, I was glad to hear he declared an end to the COVID state of emergency, although he is still parroting anti-unvaxxed rhetoric about it being their “own darn fault” if they get sick. But fine, I’ll take that. Those of us choosing not to comply with tyranny do accept responsibility for our own illness, unlike the Covidians who foist that responsibility onto everyone else.
Most people's biggest disagreement with Corbyn was over his anti-semitism. Which was not true any more than all of the Republicans in the US being white supremacists. It was another construct of the media machine. He got the business not because he was to the media's right, but to their left.
Love and appreciate your work. A clarification though. The term antivaxxer has been weaponized for years. This is not new. The irrational, cultish worship of the Covid vaccines, obliteration of dissent and exaggerated hysteria has simply made more people aware of a campaign that has been going on for a long time.
Most of us who are called that a term/have been called that term want a nuanced discussion about vaccines. For example, one that includes the recognition that a disease like mumps is an extremely mild childhood illness that confers lifelong immunity and, as some studies indicate, protection against ovarian cancer, and the vaccine offers notoriously short-lived protection that wears off right at the moment when young men are most vulnerable to complications that could impair their fertility. So, perhaps we should rethink including it in the mandatory vaccine program and save it only for those rare children with co-morbidities who would be vulnerable to complications of the disease. In medicine we always consider the severity of the disease, the risks both known and unknown of the treatment and whether there are better known, lower risk treatments. In the case of mumps the better treatment is called bed rest and liquids.
Most of us who are called that term were dutifully getting our vaccines when we or our children experienced an adverse event that irrevocably changed our lives. When we tried to bring it forward we were ridiculed, rejected and silenced. We've experienced doctors admitting in private that they think we were harmed by the vaccines but due to the weaponization of the language and the culture of retaliation when it comes to any critical thought about the vaccine program, they would never say so publicly.
Most of us have asked repeatedly for studies to determine who is genetically or metabolically vulnerable to vaccine injury so that we could create a screening program. The Institute of Medicine, despite the recommendation to do so by then head of the NIH, Bernadine Healy, decided against such investigation.
Covid hysteria has simply amplified and accelerated what was already a totalitarian medical culture wrapped in a spiral of silence when it comes to the shadows of vaccines and the vaccine program. All medical interventions have a shadow. It should signal a problem when discussion of that is verboten.
However, it IS vastly preferable to get it as a child because if you don't, and if you're not vaccinated, and you do eventually come down with it, it's a _devastating_ illness, which is why, before there was a vaccine, whenever there was an outbreak, everyone would bring their kids over to intentionally get them sick.
If you want a nuanced discussion, better include the pertinent facts.
The same is true of varicella. Getting it at 28 has far worse outcomes than getting it at 7. As an illness caught in childhood the illness is relatively mild for the vast majority of kids. When caught after adolescence, the same illness is devastating.
I had mumps when I was a kid too. I had very sore, very swollen neck glands, a fever, and malaise for several days, but I consider it nevertheless to have been a fortunate and essentially mild childhood illness. I'm glad I had it. My experience of having mumps as a kid does not even rate as a significant sickness in my life history of chronic debilitating serious illness, due to environmental toxins and other disasters. I think most Americans are total wimps in terms of accepting the fact that occasional sickness is an inescapable fact of life.
I had it as a child as well and was uncomfortable for a few days with swollen cheeks. But that's irrelevant. Children don't die in droves from it, in fact deaths from it are vanishingly rare and asymptomatic infections are many (or were in the days before the vaccine). That's a mild childhood illness.
This was never about public health because 1:2 men 1:3 women get cancer and there is no move to stop production and dumping of millions of tons of known carcinogenic chemicals yearly. There is no concern for how many may be homeless or starve with loss of income from lockdowns. There is a single focus which is vaccines, pitched as the way back to normal, now obviously a subscription service for quarterly jabs and enrollment in a government tracking system that turns freedoms into privileges tied to ongoing compliance.
Come on. Cancer is hugely more complicated than Covid. We know with 100% certainty what causes Covid (infection by Sars-Cov2), but we cannot remotely say the same thing for cancer. Likewise, we have a near-perfect preventative tool for Covid-19, but not so for most types of cancer. This is an extremely silly comparison to make.
"we have a near-perfect preventative tool for Covid-19," yes sunshine, fresh air and vitamins but none of those are part of the public campaign not are the repurposed drugs that can treat patients who need care to overcome infection.
" but we cannot remotely say the same thing for cancer. This is an extremely silly comparison to make."
We know cancer is a leading cause of illness and death unlike COVID that has a general population risk less than being hit by lightening. We know many cancer causing agents and those would be removed from the market if health factored at all.
What's silly is to dedicate the biggest public health spending in my lifetime to the lowest threat to public health and cash cow for big pharma without basic safety testing. Dubbya Bush ended TRI data collection in 2002 because bad news is best remedied by not looking.
"Over 4 billion pounds of toxic chemicals are released by industry into the nation's environment each year, including 72 million pounds of recognized carcinogens."
Where was all this loving concern for American citizens going without health care for decades? Why, if Fauci & Friends love children so much, is there not universal health care for them, if no one else? Why, with obesity and diabetes exploding in American, have there been no studies on the effects of hormone disruptors on these diseases?
I said near-perfect, which is true. Obviously you can still contract covid and die after getting the shot, but your chances are much much lower. There's no waking up, just look at the death rate comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
Just look at the infection rate among the VAXXED. Worldwide. Abd more than one million adverse Covid vaccine events according to VAERS which you never hear about in the corporate propaganda outlets. MORE adverse events than ALL adverse events for ALL vaccines EVER! Read Robert F Kennedy Jr’s book on Fauci before hitting your keyboard with more bullshit.
I'm denying your assertion that they are 'near-perfect'.
No matter how many people get jabbed, the virus continues working its way through the population. Any protection you get is 100% personal.
But personally I've already had the bug and shook it off in a couple days, exactly as I thought I would. I have better protection than anything in a bottle and can't spread the virus to anybody. When are you going to do YOUR part for society and catch covid?
Wow, you obviously have swallowed the BigPharma propaganda hook, line, and sinker. You have a *lot* of catching up to do on the millions of injuries and tens of thousands of vaxx-caused deaths that have been reported worldwide, but here’s a starting point:
And those COVID deaths you mentioned? Those were all unnecessary and were caused by BigPharma intentionally blocking safe and effective treatments like ivermectin (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-scientifically-minded) while administering lethal interventions like Remdesivir and ventilation/intubation so pharmaceutical corporations could capture trillions of dollars in recurring income while governments seized totalitarian powers in the name of a mass delusion.
Time to wake up from your hypnosis and redirect your rage at the deceivers and the swindlers.
That doesn't mean the vaccines don't work - speaking here only about the J&J, Modern and Pfizer Covid-19 vaccines.
There's some silly idea running around that "these aren't real vaccines" for which a rational completion of the sentence would be "because I'm not an expert and don't really know how many vaccines work, and since this doesn't fit my narrow view, they aren't real vaccines."
These are not traditional vaccines. These are novel vaccines that use a genetic mechanism not widely used before to force the body to create one protein of the virus. You can see the 5 major types of vaccines in this list:
They are NOT “real” vaccines, you dumbkopf! Real vaccines have either live or dead virus in them. These don’t. They are experimental and they don’t even fucking WORK!
We had just exactly the right guy as a Glenn Greenwald fan over at The Intercept, but when he resigned, and we all - many of us - shifted over to this place, he didn't make the shift.
His name is Fred Cowan and is a some 50-osh year virologist who worked on the earlier SARS some nearly 2 decades ago, and has been working on SARS-CoV-2 since it emerged on the scene. He's a published researcher and he and I have been exchanging emails and the occasional phone call for a few years now.
I've been bouncing some things off him to check my perceptions now and then, which is where I've gotten a lot of the information I share here and elsewhere. ...I'll see if he wants to share his remarks on that topic. Typically an exchange between us takes a few days, so I'll try and keep this tab open, so I can find this again.
Then why are we the ones documenting our claims with peer-reviewed scientific articles and credible sources while all you’ve done is spout BigPharma propaganda?
People love saying this, but where's the evidence? I had to show my passport to my employer, and I think the last time I flew on a plane. Outside of this, I barely even know where it is. Hardly a form of authoritarian compliance.
And if I came to you in September, 2000, and told you that you would need a special state-issued ID (and be forced to take off your shoes, belts, coats, etc.) to board a domestic plane flight in the very near future...you'd have, no doubt, dismissed me as some sort of spittle-flinging kook.
Just because it doesn’t affect you personally, it doesn’t exist. Wow. Talk about oblivious insensitivity to those who have sacrificed their careers, income, relationships, and potentially lives to resist tyrannical measures.
Keep lying down for the tyrants if you wish, but the rest of us will fight for your freedoms while you comply yourself into totalitarianism.
You're missing a key point here. The vaccinated can just as easily pass it on IF they actually have covid. Since being vaccinated substantially reduces your chances of having covid, then being vaccinated means you are less likely to be a spreader generally. I don't find the passports to be anything other than a logistical tool used to help show employers and businesses that you have been vaccinated. The government has much more effective ways of 'controlling' us if they so choose to do so.
In addition to what redge wrote, the vaccines also shorten the time period of infectiousness considerably. One paper I read indicated that it can be as great as an order of magnitude difference, and that the mean is somewhere around a 5x reduction - that is, down from a few days to a few hours.
I really don't understand what we are arguing about here. You perhaps have an incomplete understanding of how vaccines work. Vaccination reduces the spread of a contagious disease in a population. This is why it is better to be around vaccinated than unvaccinated people, generally. I agree that vaccinated people who have contracted covid can still spread the disease, but that does not change the fact vaccination reduces your chances of carrying a spreadable viral load.
Yes actually. I am hoping that Covid will eventually dissipate and then become an endemic issue that we deal with like the flu. At that point, I don't think passports will be needed. Unfortunately we are not there yet, largely due to vaccination rates that are too low. In the current environment, I still want to know that my coworkers and fellow passengers are vaccinated.
You mean the stories where they put people in camps and then murdered them en masse based on their religious affiliation? Do you not see how insane you sound comparing that to a piece of fucking paper that you only need to show in a few rare circumstances? And that's only if you WANT to participate in things like flying. The government is not making you do anything.
I’m willing to meet the half way. I’m anti-STUPID-vax.
I tried everything to get my youngest infected with chickenpox before he entered school. The risks of his catching chickenpox at age 30 due to waning effectiveness far, FAR outweigh the minor inconvenience of his getting the disease and recovering. Unfortunately I wasn’t successful in getting him infected and was forced to give him a completely unnecessary vaccine that puts his life in greater danger as he ages.
If that makes me “anti-vax” so be it.
At this point any time a liberal shrieks some intended insult at me I just smile and say “ok.” They all boil down to the same definition: someone who doesn’t agree with them.
"I’m willing to meet the half way. I’m anti-STUPID-vax."
Yes and this is the problem that Glenn is highlighting, being opposed to instances of a concept is now being used to slander people as being opposed to all of a concept in general.
It would be like expressing concerns over the Ford Pinto on the fact that it seems to create life threatening fireballs, and thus not wishing to be forced to buy and use one as a matter of personal choice, but then for taking such a position being slandered as "anti-car" or even having that extended to "anti-science" for being "anti-car" when cars represent a great triumph of science and engineering. Really for refusing (hypothetically) being forced to buy and use a Ford Pinto one would just be "anti-STUPID-car." Realistically that designation shouldn't even need to be said as any rational human being is "anti-STUPID-everything" where "STUPID" is understood as a simplified stand-in for a combination of things like "poorly functioning," "dangerous," "impractical," "fails cost-benefit analysis," etc... .
The complicating issue is, of course, all people have a different threshold and criteria for what qualifies as a "STUPID" version of something, so the only solution is to try and both educate people while also giving them as much free range to decide for themselves what qualifies as much as it is reasonable to do so.
How long has it been since you have seen a Vega or Pinto running? They are all abandoned skeletons. Ford Cortinas could hang on as junker cars for twenty years.
This article is a general discussion of herpes viruses and doesn't rally touch on the protective effect of the varicella vaccine. People do die from varicella; as a physician I had one case like that and they can also get very sick as adults. The other advantage of the varicella vaccine is that it does offer substantial protection against shingles. Since chicken pox has become a pretty rare disease in the US, the only protection against chicken pox now is the vaccine.
Yes on rare occasions encephalitis or other serious conditions are caused by varicella. Same is true for herpes zoster.
On the whole, my son is at far greater risk from post-adolescence varicella infection due to reduced vaccine effectiveness than he was as a healthy child to those rare effects of infection.
The point is a reasoned cost-benefit analysis that accounts for *all* factors. If my son had juvenile diabetes or some other chronic condition the vaccine may have made sense.
As it stood the varicella vaccine is a net negative.
Aren’t patients permitted to make those decisions today? Or are we now required to accept every word from an MD as infallible?
For me and my family, we reserve the right to refuse any medical intervention.
"What do you think of the resurgent measles epidemics caused by parents refusing the measles vaccines? Is this a net good for society?"
If it wipes out some "germ lines", maybe it'll result in an improvement in the average intelligence of the human specie, but it's important that that result would be by their own choice.
I just watched a movie titled "The Forgotten Battle" about the battle in WW II in Zeeland, part of the Arnhem offensive. Several times in the movie characters are stopped at checkpoints in one of the towns occupied by the Nazis and they have to present their "papers" before proceeding. And it struck me immediately: This must be what it's like in New York City. We don't have to do that . . . yet . . . down here in Texas. Anyhoo, Seig Heil, ya'll and Happy Holidays to all you Greenwald readers from us down here in Austin, Texas (aka: San FranAustin, Texafornia)
Anti-vaxxer is a term coined by pharma, so we can start with that. I think your conception of the people raising concerns about vaccines could use some more nuance. There are people who believe most of the diseases we v against were going away before their v came into being. There are people who believe there's no way we need to jab babies twice as much as we did just a couple decades ago (and more than many other nations do). There are people whose babies and kids have been injured by v's sometimes permanently (many who've been paid compensation for these harms by the govt). There are people (and all of us should be in this category) who are concerned that the FDA, as a captured agency, is serving as a pharma promoter (just as they served as a biotech/GMO promoter) rather than a protector of public health. Finally, there are people (many of them) who had all other v's done for their kids, but looked at the fact that we're out of our depth on this technology, c doesn't pose an elevated risk to the young and healthy, the v doesn't do one of the main things it's supposed to, and have decided against it, for themselves and/or for their kids. All of these people, some of them overlapping and some of them not, fall into what pharma encourages us to call "anti-vaxxers." It's a convenient way to dispense with anyone who raises any question at all about the safety or prudence of individual v's or the v schedule as a whole (it must be the envy of every other industry that pharma was able to pull this off). This more nuanced reality has been well hidden, but every person who wakes up in the morning to find out they have been earned the anti-vaxxer label has an opportunity to say "Aha, so THIS is how this works." Like it or not, there are people who have labored for decades in the "health freedom" movement to ensure that the v's we give our kids are safe and necessary, and all they've received in return is a seemingly inexhaustible stream of contempt. That's on us.
"Anti-vaxxer is a term coined by pharma, so we can start with that." That is a fascinating statement and I am not doubting it, but I would love to see that backed up with a reliable source because I want to use it but not until I feel comfortable that it is well-documented. Can you direct me to a source for your statement?
Vaccines have saved more lives than any other medical invention, even counting antibiotics. There is nothing wrong with asking questions. But doubting the overwhelming evidence that vaccines are a boon to humanity is pretty illogical and a one sided view.
On p. 288 of The Real Anthony Fauci, there are six charts showing the mortality decline of Measles, Pertussis, Influenza, Tuberculosis, Scarlet Fever and Polio. In all but polio, they had nearly disappeared BEFORE a vaccine was introduced, and polio was less than half. The charts are attributed to the Vital Statistics of the US 1937-1960 and Historical Statistics of the US: Colonial Times to 1970.
Measles affects about 20 million people a year, primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia. It is one of the leading vaccine-preventable disease causes of death. In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it,and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000.
I don't doubt that measles and the other diseases you mentioned were mostly eradicated in the US before vaccinations. The epidemiological transition is mostly caused by better sanitation.
Thanks for that. Yes, sanitation, nutrition and a reduction in environmental stresses--strengthening the immune system, aka miasma theory. As Pasteur said on his deathbed, "The microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything." RFK's book says that a dollar spent on food and clean water in the developing world is far more effective than a dollar spent on vaccines. Even better would be economic policies that allow people to provide for themselves rather than the export market.
Agreed. Questions are good, and almost nothing in reality is one-sided! Most things have many, many sides. It is wisest to consider multiple sides of every issue (and find ppl who do that you can trust, since none of us has time to research everything).
I'm not sure if you mean the so-called anti-vaxxers but I don't share your low opinion, especially of parents who know that covid poses no threat to their children and who would never forgive themselves if their decision caused lasting harm or even death because they didn't do their homework or buckled under the pressure. To me, endangering a child in order to protect an adult--if that was even true--is reckless.
I agree with you about informed consent but my comment was on endangering children in order to protect adults. That would be requiring parents to sacrifice their children, who are not at an age of consent. But the point is moot because the vaccines don't even claim to reduce contraction or transmission, so you're right to put "protect" in quotes.
The whole situation resembles a ticking time bomb. Is it possible the people pushing this agenda are unaware of how wrong this this? Threatening people with their livelihoods to coerce them into taking an experimental drug that goes against the Nuremberg Code. I'm attempting to find another word for this but, have to settle for ghastly. Will be interesting to see where this goes when the proverbial shit hits the fan.
Glenn, in addition to being great journalism every time you post another piece it illustrates just how few genuine journalists - as opposed to propagandists - are out there.
I never thought I would ever say this, but I agree with Jeremy Corbyn. I am that person who was vaccinated, at 64 years old, as soon I was eligible. And I'd encourage anyone over 60, or with higher risk factors, to get vaxed. But I strongly opposed mandates for all the reasons discussed in this article.
I especially agree that it is just plain wrong to force front line health care workers to be vaxed or be fired. These people risked their lives to care for the legions of serious Covid cases in the early days of the pandemic. To fire them now is immoral.
This essay also points to one of my pet peeves, the constantly shifting and twisting definitions of perfectly good English words from the mouths of the Woke and Left. To them I say: Get your own damned dictionary, and leave conventional dictionaries alone!
Hear Hear. The pernicious corrosion on the left is not a natural or beautiful evolution. It is a vile and contemptible spread of every evil from thought control to group think. It is astounding to me that a nation (world?) that was brought up on the Orwellian classic warning of mindlessness of doublethink and the power of words, so quickly and eagerly ignores those warnings in favor of 2+2=5
As an adult, I have a hard time understanding why any other adult would not take the vax for Covid. I did as soon as it was available to me. Got the 2nd dose on schedule. Got the booster as soon as soon as available.
All that said, my lack of understanding of someone else's decisions, particularly regarding bodily autonomy, is not only zero, it is irrelevant. I feel pretty comfortable in my vaxxed state. I do not suspect that some un-vaxxed person is going to expose me to a so-called breakthrough infection. But if I get a breakthrough, I am neither going to blame some anonymous - or even known - unvaxxed (or vaxxed) person for it nor am i going to piss and moan about the percentage of vaccines in the population at large. I will deal with it. I've protected myself as much as I think I can. I hate the masks, don't think they work unless you use surgical masks and toss them out every hour. But, yes, I tend to wear a cloth mask if asked.
It is a virus. A special kind of virus. It is entirely different from the things that cause a host of diseases we are all familiar with and for which vaccines are ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE. Small pox, polio, MMR, etc. SARS-CoV-2 is going to be - it already is - endemic. It is in the air, it is in the soil, it is in animals (call you local zoo). It is in deer, for god sake and those damn varmints eat my landscape. It will be around me for a long while. s
I have my own risk management approach. I can live with other folks having a different approach.
Maybe because covid death rate is in-line with seasonal flu? Maybe because it is experimental and all past attempts at mRNA vaccines failed due to ADE (pathogenic priming)? Maybe because there are safe, cheap, and effective treatments. Maybe because of studies like this that are coming out:
Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
The newest word game is "fully vaccinated". When the vaccine first came out everyone needed 2 shots to be considered "fully vaxxed". Fauci is now hinting that soon "fully vaccinated" will mean 3 shots. The Pfizer CEO is already saying a 4th shot will be needed to protect against Omicron.
I was very pro vaccination before the pandemic.
But seeing these vaccines rushed to market, conflated as classical vaccines (they aren't); seeing them become extraordinarily leaky, requiring constant boosters for the rest of eternity; seeing them pushed on children (who have nearly zero risk from the virus); seeing the very real issues around cardiomyopathy being brushed away; seeing otherwise perfectly reasonable (and vaccinated) people demand that others vaccinated to protect their own health (if you're vaccinated, why do you care?); and seeing any opposition squashed and vilified... Yeah, call me whatever names, but the "science" I'm seeing applied has nothing to do with what I was trained in as actual science.
New "general rule"... whenever someone invokes "science", e.g., "science gave us these vaccines" it's akin to "god works in mysterious ways". Chances are near 100% that the Dunning Krugerite in question has no idea what the "science" is behind their chest beating and coat-tail riding superiority complex.
I find many people who claim to “believe in science” in reality believe in “scientism”, a pseudoreligious cult in which scientists are treated as priests privy to some knowledge not accessible to the common person — see, e.g,, the cult of Fauci. But in reality, this is the opposite of science — if the data contradicts the pronouncements of Fauci (or any other scientist), then the truth is in the data.
LOL! Science is democratic in that anyone can participate. All they need do is develop the competency. All of you anti-science types are just too lazy or stupid to get the required education, choosing the lazy way out with crap like what you just posted.
There is are literally THOUSANDS of scientists doctors and nurses ( btw, Phd level educated ppl,) who are debating the studies, or lack of studies in many cases, calling out the obvious suppression of anyone questioning this vaccine rollout, who are against the mandates and who have clinical experience with successful early treatments that are being censored deplatformed and canceled. Science should always remain open to debate and scrutiny. When science ceases to encourage honest debate it’s not science, it’s propaganda.
They're deniers.
Deniers of what?
Jeffrey, just stop. Your fingers-in-ears denials about even the most basic of realities suggests that your capacity for critical thinking is on par with that of a footstool. You're embarrassing yourself.
“A footstool” 😂😂😂
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
Yes you are right. Rabbi Michael Lerner and his amazing wife Cat Zavis talk a lot about this. That we cannot exchange scientism for spirituality
To TROLL Jeff Biss, below:
``There is no suppression, censoring etc.``
I need listen no further to your shilling. Anyone not living under a rock for the past 2 years KNOWS that massive censoring of any evidence negative to mass vaccination has been CENSORED. In my own area all papers refused to even allow comments citing OFFICIAL data on adverse events. I try to be civil in discussions but not with TROLLS. If you wanted to make the weak point that the censoring is justified by public interest you would be wrong but not a TROLL. When you deny reality you identify your species as TROLL. Two words for you - one rhymes with a well known water fowl the other is a preposition. If you are even bright enough to decode that. TROLL.
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
Ah, yes, the pejorative spouter.
Just come back when you've slept it off.
"pejorative spouter". Sounds like a pejorative spout to me. LOL
LOL! Science is based on evidence and the research evidence indicated that the mRNA could provide the means to setup the immune system to fight future infections. there are not two sides to this issue.
Yes. Science is based on evidence. The evidence I see currently is that you are troll or a moron or both.
Can somebody you take you off repeat? Get a life dude.
No troll, but I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
The fact you used the qualifier "could" means that there definitely are many sides to this story. Nobody knows with any certainty about the long-term effects of these injections. Nobody knows the mRNA injection efficacy over the longer term and all evidence points to the fact that their efficacy wanes. We (as in humanity) are still gathering the evidence and anyone that claims the matter is settled is deluded.
Could means that some people's immune systems do not do what most people's do. Thee are not two sides to this issue.
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
INFORM yourself by reading Robert Kennedy`s book on event covid.
Then STFU, please.
Where's a downvote button when you need one. You're as offensive as anyone spouting pejoratives; STFU your damned self.
See? Doesn't that feel nice?
You're not here to persuade or otherwise have a fruitful conversation like most of us, you're here to attack people you don't agree with and, sorry, humanity is NOT served by that, no matter how much it gets your rocks off.
Doesn`t bother me one bit. The pejorative is justified or not. My reasoning for its use is set out (JB is clearly a troll as it denies reality). What is yours ?
And the other reason for my pejorative is JB`s arrogant verbiage "inform yourself".
Oh, that book must be good as RFK Jr. is an idiot. I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
I could care less what that fucking idiot thinks. LOL
"inform"? ha ha ha
"truth is in the data" if it was collected and analyzed properly.
As Samuel Clemmens once said, "There's lies, there's damned lies, and there there's statistics." And, as computer programmers would remind us: "Garbage in, garbage out."
As a scientist myself, I'm always looking for errors in data collection - did we get enough, is it the right kind of data to address what we hope to learn? Etc. And, errors in analysis are pervasive, and pretty much everyone is prone to them, so you have to teach yourself to ignore your hunches and biases most of the time and just go with a methodical procedure, like a pilot's checklist when flying a plane - and use your hunches to investigate possibilities you hadn't considered to analyze novel aspects. And, again, have someone else double-check your work! ...As they say in the writing field, "EVERYONE needs a good editor!" (Even Glenn!)
Excellent post.
Same. Except I believe the vaccine schedule in the United States is now up to about 72 shots for children. This is absurd. There is clearly a profit driven motive going on. Bill Gates himself said he attributed the bulk of his wealth to the vaccines. I don’t think people would have such a problem if it weren’t for the obvious big Pharma cabal regulatory capture of our NIH American Medical Association CDC and world health organization. No one can deny this. Big Pharma is running the show, funding the so-called studies, lining the pockets of the corrupt Congress people who refuse to stand up. Fauci Tedros Daszak and all the others who have conflicts of interests as they are patent holders of the treatments being pushed like Remdesivir and also the vaccines being brought to market. All the evidence is there. People need only to connect the dots. It is so outrageous there are no words to describe it.
The reasoning to demand or at least deeply wish for others to get vaccinated comes from old wisdom passed down from at least my parents' generation. A population with a high vaccine rate (early predictions with the sarscov2 vaccine were 70%) can stop community spread. There are are always people who, for medical reasons, cannot get vaccines. If community spread can be stopped, and even better, the virus eliminated, those more vulnerable people can be protected. Sadly, I am seeing that this set of vaccines doesn't seem to be measuring up in ability to prevent spread, because people with breakthrough cases are still contagious. Perhaps at a higher vaccination rate... but I've been watching those places with a 70% vaccination rate and they are still having a lot of trouble with the virus spreading, as far as I can tell.
Stopping community spread is not an option with these vaccines. In reality, and as a top CDC official has admitted, they reduce but do not eliminate infection (Britain had over 5000 vaccinated people DIE in a month), and once infected, they do not prevent - or apparently even reduce - further spread. They may reduce the vaccinated person's chances of severe disease. Nice for them, but not a public health measure. It may even increase spread, by making more asymptomatic spreaders.
"Stopping community spread is not an option with these vaccines."
They would if everyone who could got vaccinated.
How would that stop community spread? These vaccines are nonsterilizing, they don’t stop people from spreading the virus, including to other vaccinated people. They just reduce the symptoms.
Poor Jeff hasn’t looked at the recent data showing higher vax rate, more cases. If they were anywhere close to effective enough to end the pandemic, the evidence would be obvious that they are stopping transmission. They aren’t, and it’s not close.
“Poor Jeff” is a moron and troll, paid or otherwise. No need to respond to such a non-entity.
Vaccines don't need to be sterilizing to be effective at ending a pandemic, all they need to do is to reduce illness to a level that the health system can care for the worst cases without negatively affecting others.
These are not traditional vaccines. They are largely ineffective at stopping infection but can be helpful in reducing hospitalization.
NO vaccine prevents infection, zero. They setup the immune system to fight future infections. Don't be stupid, educate yourself, read some textbooks.
What a rude and obnoxious comment. If you are such an expert, you should be able to draw the common sense conclusion that when people are saying "prevent infection" in this context, they really mean "prevent the spread of infection." How many hours have you spent in this comment section?
LOL! What is so rude about what I posted? I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
"Don't be stupid, educate yourself, read some textbooks." Rude. Can you not see it, yourself?
These vaccines may be even worse. The vaccinated get infected and for a period have no symptoms as they shed to others. We can only hope the vaccines do not result in damage to the innate immune system. We who are vaccinated are now quite worried after what we have done to ourselves. Omicron now seems to be affecting us!
Pity the textbooks aren't keeping up with the flood of news reports. The vaccine protects the individual against severe illness but not society.
LOL! I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
Pity you who doesn't know just how little you understand to post such stupid comments.
Thanks for your ever so kind response.
"The vaccinated get infected and for a period have no symptoms as they shed to others."
Just like the unvaccinated. However, because most people who took one of the three vaccines (here talking USA only) will have a good immune response immediately, their infectious period is substantially shorter - the exact amount is still under study but it's likely between, early data shows, 5X and 10X faster.
"We can only hope the vaccines do not result in damage to the innate immune system."
Incorrect; we can also know that said damage is impossible, given how they function. Because they have "artificially taught" the immune system how to recognize this pathogen, the "innate immune system" won't create its own response, since it's already responding, but beyond that, the mRNA provided isn't able to do any damage because what it does is encode what's sometimes called the or a "key" (and some even refer to it as a "flag" protein that will bond with a part of the virus - different mRNA vaccines can lock onto different parts of the target, but I understand that most virologists consider going after the particular coat protein called the spike is the best target. And so, the appropriate cells in your existing immune system simply produce this red-flag protein that will bond with a target and thereby identify for the immune system what to attack.
We don't have to worry about harming our "innate immune systems," though it would be nice if there was a way short of live infection for us to teach our bodies to recognize the virus as the body may recognize more of the coat proteins and thus make the immune response even stronger.
I was given heart by this recent JAMA article https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787447 which suggests in a small study that the re-infected gain a better immunity. But we still await larger analyses with great hope.
Those vaccinated appear to be less contagious: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/12/vaccinated-who-get-breakthrough-infections-less-contagious/
The issue is that vaccination sets up one's immune system to fight future infections and thus reduces the risk of severe illness and thus the risk of being contagious is reduced.
I suggest that you listen to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), listen to Vincent Racaniello's virology lectures and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube, they are actual college lectures, and watch Vincent's live streams on Wednesday evenings, see his youtube channel. All of these issues are covered with real science, good, bad and indifferent and you can post questions to him.
The information in the Harvard study was already known; the vaccinated clear the virus marginally faster than the unvaxxed (though peak viral production is roughly the same in both groups). The problem is that in real world scenarios, this shorter duration of viral shedding has little to no appreciable impact on community spread. That's shown in a study in The Lancet Infectious Diseases (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext) and by the fact that almost no correlation has between vaccination levels and spread in areas such as U.S. counties and countries around the world (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-021-00808-7).
Highly vaxxed states, such as those in New England, have experienced case surges even as low-vaxxed India and Africa have extremely manageable spread, relatively speaking.
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210513/over-_99-percent-hospitalized-2021-covid-patients-unvaccinated
Confounded data. Try more recent incremental data. The first four months of 2021 was when the vaccines we just beginning their rollout. Then in New England we were shocked to discover the vaccinated were carrying the virus and infecting others. Naked bath parties even for the vaccinated aren't wise, but they imagined they were safe.
And the vaccinated needed no medical care! What a fucking surprise!
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
"hen in New England we were shocked to discover the vaccinated were carrying the virus and infecting others."
This should have been a shock to exactly nobody who knows how vaccines work.
About vaccinated people demanding vaccination mandates, it's not about them, it's about protecting the unvaccinated and helping reduce the economic burdens that the stupid anti-vaxxers bring down on everyone.
No one will accuse you of using science.
These "economic burdens" are a propagandized fiction, besides the fact that a free society does not force supposedly cost saving medical procedures on people as if they were some piece of equipment. I pay into the medical system every day and have used it very rarely, and I've not been in a hospital for anything. For what it's worth, I'm "fully" "vaccinated" by last summer's definition, but I've collected a list of fun new health issues in the time since my second shot. Related? Who knows! Certainly no one's looking into it. I can live with this, getting the shots was my own decision (under social pressure from friends and family, ofc), prior to the mandates and passports. But I would not get these shots in the current environment specifically because it would not be my decision, and I'm not interested in any boosters.
Coercing medical procedures is wrong and it needs to stop now. I can't believe we even have to say this.
Thank you.
LOL! The economics burdens due to the idiots who politicized the pandemic are very real.
Coercing vaccinations is right and would have worked had it been done earlier. Now I think that the antivaxxers should be forced to deal with their decision and be a lower priority to others who need health care. if they die, so much the better.
Thank you for being brave enough to admit out loud you’re for the gassing of the vermin, Jeff. Look how little time it took for the propagandists to convert you into a sociopath. Not nearly as long as it took many Germans to sign on to the Nazi propaganda about the disease-spreading Jews.
No one will accuse you and your fellow Stockholm Syndrome sufferers of using science, Jeff. Try shocking us for once and providing your peer-reviewed sources (sans conflicts of interest) for the lies you’re spreading on behalf of your BigPharma captors.
Oh, and BTW, the economic burdens were artificially imposed by your saviors to create hardship and force people to comply with totalitarian demands. It’s called Biderman’s Chart of Coercion (https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe149aef7-54ef-48eb-b05f-f954cbad0b0d_2550x4200.jpeg), and it worked like a charm on you and your fellow Covidians.
“The forest kept shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe. For the axe was clever and convinced them that since its handle was wood it was one of them.” —Anonymous
You're a conspiracy theorist with no valid evidence to support anything that you post.
😂 Still have that mirror I gave you earlier? Might as well keep it since everything you say applies to yourself.
I have provided peer-reviewed evidence for every point I’ve made. You have slung ad hominem attacks and juvenile “nuh-uh,” “yuh-huh” retorts.
I see you’re not up to handling a mature debate based on scientific evidence, and I’ve wasted enough time on you already, so fare thee well and enjoy your brief life of everlasting boosters!
Conspiracies exist. That's why numerous laws (such as RICO) exist to deal with them.
The issue lies not in the theorizing, per se. The task is to determine which of the theories start with reasonable hypotheses based on *the evidence at hand*, and warrant further examination to determine if they are true or false.
That must make you a coincidence theorist.
In other words, you've got nothing but name-calling.
You would have done fantastically well in the eugenics movement.
Eugenics has nothing to do with vaccination to prevent disease spread. Stay on topic.
Repeat: these vaccines do not prevent spread of the disease. They are not public health measures.
Your moral standing is now clear.
"if they die, so much the better."
That's you. Do I need to draw out in crayon for you why you would do well in the eugenics movement, or have you figured it out yet?
"The economics burdens due to the idiots who politicized the pandemic are very real."
Nice to see that we agree on something... The idiots in our Ministries of Truth have a lot to answer for.
What are you referring to as "Ministries of Truth"?
I see you’re ignorant of 1984 as well. Why does that not surprise me in the least.
OMG, nobody can possibly be as ignorant as you portray yourself to be.
Any and every organization that suppresses discourse.
How does any human write "if they die, so much the better"?
He's obviously either a troll or a Branch Covidian. Either way don't give him the attention he craves.
Easy, you just typed your post, same way. Getting rid of these anti-science, denier types is a good thing. They do it to themselves because they are too stupid and are a big problem in every society in which they thrive.
So you want people who you think are stupid to die? Killing off the feeble minded was precisely the goal of the eugenics movement. Are you understanding yet why you look like a sociopath?
This guy is dangerous.
If this is where your logical thinking has led, it's way past time to check your premises.
Has led to what? That it's a good thing that those who refuse to get vaccinated for the greater good may die? It's their doing, they deserve what they get as they have the opportunity to actually educate themselves with facts but refuse to. I've got nothing to do with their fate, they do.
Ah, the greater good. The cause of millions of deaths throughout history.
I think I understand what you are saying, but allow me to rephrase it more succinctly:
“Be a Good German, and get the vaccine. And if you can’t do it for yourself, do it for the Fatherland.”
Is that about right?
That you think that way indicates that you're broken and a good example of the anti-science, anti-reality rot in the US. People like yourself are the direct cause of the 750,000 Covid-19 deaths in the US.
Yours is a stunningly stupid comment. It involves a conceit that is hard to fathom. To accuse folks who question whether to take a vaccine as being "a direct cause of the 750,000 Covid deaths" is really evidence of your own polemical irrationality. To say nothing of a stunning level of conceit.
Jeff's answers are formulaic enough for even non-techie me to suspect a bot, and so, not a state-of-the-art bot.
LOL! They deal with the specific issue of a post. I'm a good bot!
You are the cause. If not for the likes of you and your ilk, more people would not have to deal with the anti-science, anti reality noise that has caused so much suffering and death.
You mean the bullshit coming out of the governments, the media, and the pharmaceutical companies?
I couldn't agree more.
I cannot even fathom how your bloodline has survived this long.
Here’s a mirror, Jeff, since you’re talking about yourself.
And those 750,000 deaths? Your beloved Fauci and his corrupt drug cartel caused those by intentionally smearing and suppressing life-saving early treatment protocols and employing murderous drugs like Remdesivir and intubation/ventilation.
You’re mad at the wrong people. If you are courageous enough to challenge your propaganda-programmed cult beliefs, read “The Real Anthony Fauci” and get back to us with counterarguments to anything you dispute in there.
LOL! Nope, it was Trump and his supporters who made unsubstantiated claims about various drugs that created the noise that caused those deaths.
🤣🤣🤣
Oh, I see you’re a TDS sufferer, too. That explains how easily you’ve been manipulated into believing megacorporate lies.
Seriously, Jeff, this is getting exhausting trying to disenchant you of all of the propaganda you’ve swallowed. Please save me the trouble and dispel all of your delusions by reading “The Real Anthony Fauci.” I dare you.
Are you willing to pay those you contemptuously call "anti-vaxxers" when they are critically injured or die as a result of the vaccine? Will those economic burdens be shared? You are blindly allegiant to the Cult of Fauci, and have confused religion and science.
What about their risk from severe Covid-19? No, the vaccines are proven safe and effective. There is no point to any anti-vaxxer argument, period. The testing has already indicated what to watch out for.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have experienced negative side effect - many of them quite severe and many deadly. I'm sure you believe the sudden skyrocketing of myocarditis in very healthy young athletes is just a coincidence.
Vaccines should be limited to those at high risk. Those populations are well known. All others have been needlessly exposed to risk - including me.
In addition, we won't know the long term effects of this brand new, never before tried, experimental, approach to vaccines (mrna) for many years.
So all you can reasonably claim is that IN THE SHORT TERM (less than one year) the vaccines are safe.
They are not safe in the short term. The URF derived from comparing VAERS data to leaked Medicare data indicates VAERS is under-reported by a factor of 44 rather than Steve Kirsch's earlier estimate of 41. Given that there are well over 9000 deaths reported in VAERS, that means 43 times that number should have been reported but weren't, a total of about 400,000. Granted that not all of those were actually caused by the vaccines, it's still a huge number and explains the jump in all cause mortality for 2021 reported by CDC. It's not difficult to hide huge numbers of deaths in a population of 330,000,000.
The vaccines are very safe as proven by the number of vaccines given and the number of problems reported in VAERS, none of which has been proven to be due to the vaccine as stated on the VAERS site. However, even if some deaths are due to the vaccine the risk of Covid-19 is far, far greater.
Can’t even claim that given the preponderance of evidence that they are unsafe and ineffective.
There is no such evidence! They are safe and effective.
You claim:
"Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have experienced negative side effect - many of them quite severe and many deadly."
I've looked into this and found that ALL the analyses that make this claim ones I either stumbled across on my own (not many) or the ones people have pointed me to (most) fail to properly evaluate against the background and filter out the instances where there was a report but it was then show to have no causal type relationship to the vaccine under study - and when I say no causal relationship, I mean _completely_ not related.
You mean the CDC isn't analyzing the VAERS data...at all? What are they hiding?
See my post above: VAERS to VAERS; there have been more deaths and adverse reactions in one year, with one set of vaccines, than for ALL vaccines ... since 1986, when it was started. That automatically corrects for the deficiencies of VAERS.
And a footnote: going through this depressing string, it's pretty obvious that, on the whole, it's the "anti-scientific" "anti'vaxxers" posting data, not the vaxxers. You're an exception of sorts. And since you give no source nor any data, we have to take your argument on faith.
In other words - didn't reach the conclusion I wanted...
I'm sure it is just one big coincidence that, for example, myocarditis just happens to show up shortly after a lot of athletes get their jab. Even the Surgeon General of the US Military has admitted that more people will die from myocarditis over the next five years than will be saved by the vaccine.
You are being willfully blind, although I do hope that when you get "boosted" you don't suffer the same fate as so many others.
None of the reported side effects are verified to have been caused by the vaccines, this is stated on the VAERS site. However, reporting does provide a view into potential problems. This is a good thing.
Just understand that Covid-19 has killed over 800,000 Americans! Not one death has been proven to have been caused by the vaccines. However, if a few deaths are proven, the risk of Covid-19 is far, far greater as over hundreds of millions of vaccinations have been administered!
I’ll give you this, Jeff, you are impervious to evidence! Hats off to you for your obdurate obeisance to BigPharma propaganda.
“None of the reported side effects are verified to have been caused by the vaccines, this is stated on the VAERS site. However, reporting does provide a view into potential problems. This is a good thing.”
Hill’s Criteria of Causality has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt regarding the fatal and injurious consequences of these experimental injections. Here’s one video to get you up to speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MViwU3XOo
“Just understand that Covid-19 has killed over 800,000 Americans!”
No, your beloved Saint Fauci and his psychopathic policies killed those people by denying safe, cheap, and effective life-saving medications while simultaneously deploying $3,000/pill Remdeathivir/Rundeathisnear and lethal interventions like intubation (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7476450/) while causing ventilator-associated lung injuries (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8128668/).
If you are indeed a human being and not a pharma-funded bot, then please for the love of humanity get your head out of your propaganda and start waking up to the fact that you are defending the very monsters who pose the greatest threat to freedom and the survival of the human species in history.
they are not safe...
They are.
Yuh-huh! 😆
Very convincing.
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-pharmaceutical-companies-immune-covid-19-vaccine-lawsuits-1562793
The article you cite states explicitly, "The Ruling
True.
Pharmaceutical companies are protected from liability regarding the COVID-19 vaccines."
I'm not disputing that they were granted immunity. only posting a link to an article about it.
All corporations want protection from suit. That's not proof of anything. The data proves that the vaccines are safe and effective.
Well, that's a sensible policy, but it's not what we're being told. We're told "it's to protect others", which is simply not true. The vaccines don't protect against infection.
And the other side of it is we have treatments now for Covid, such as monoclonal antibodies, which are amazingly effective if given early. So it's not all about protection. It's about Pfizer talking points.
"Protecting others" is true. While vaccines do not prevent infections they do prevent severe illness and that results in less virion replication and thus less spread.
Understand that vaccines set up the immune system t fight future infections and cost about $20/dose while monoclonal antibodies do not and cost any where from $2,000 to $5,000/dose. They're as effective as your own antibodies but they aren't vaccines!
That's not true, vaccinated people who get infected have been demonstrated to have the same viral load.
No, they have not because the test is a PCR test that checks only for viral RNA not viable virions, that would take a plaque assay.
This is simply mistaken:
"We're told "it's to protect others", which is simply not true. The vaccines don't protect against infection."
See the comments of redg1657 both up and downthread.
All I see is BigPharma talking points and no scientific evidence. Try again.
None is so blind as he who will not see.
B-I-N-G-O! So when are you going to pry your eyes open?
BTW, why don’t you look up the lot numbers for your injections and see if they’re among the 5% of toxic batches responsible for 90% of the adverse reactions? Then you can start focusing on mitigating your potential adverse reactions rather than fighting those who are trying to save people like you from risking their lives and health for a fraudulent narrative and totalitarian aims: http://howbad.info/ (more context here: https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/uk-scientist-reveals-bombshell-data)
I don't smoke and I don't drink, yet I pay the economic burden of those that do. I don't have children yet pay the economic burden of sending other people's children to school. If you are willing to make sure those economic burdens are not carried by me, I'm willing to carry my "COVID tithe-ance".
You're also paying the financial burden created by those who refused to wear masks, keep their distance from others, isolate themselves, get vaccinated already. Also, I am carrying all those burdens that you list! The point is that it got this bad because of fucking ill-informed, "don't tread on me" assholes. We can't go back, but that doesn't change the fact that had those assholes been better people, we'd be in a far better place.
I know you're a troll but I have to admit I find you entertaining. You keep repeating your mantra that vaccines are "safe and effective" but there's no way we know they are safe until long term effects are studied. As you know "the science" at one time proclaimed that cigarettes, asbestos, and lead paint were "safe." Critical thinkers who thought otherwise I'm sure you would have labelled "anti-science." As far as their effectiveness, despite mass vaccinanations we're experiencing wave after wave of re-infections, many of which are occurring in the vaccinated. Yeah, sounds real effective. The polio and small pox vaccines were effective because those diseases are essentially eradicated. Not so with COVID which is essentially a flu virus and the flu will always be with us. Deal with it.
You guys need to stop responding to this troll. Your just encouraging him and clogging up the message discussions. Which is probably the purpose of a troll.
You're absolutely right. I engage him partly to show others he's a troll but also because in other posts I've gotten under his skin and pissed him off. It's a guilty pleasure but you're right I should stop.
You need to educate yourselves by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
They are safe and effective: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
That's a press release, not evidence.
You remind me of one of Reagan's most famous quotes: It's not that you don't know much, it's that so much of what you know is wrong. Bless your heart!
Masks do not stop a microscopic virus. SCIENCE 101 bro.
They do. The virions are in aerosols and droplets and thus wearing a masks greatly reduces how much viral particles, both viable virions and extraneous viral proteins, RNA, etc. Add to that keeping apart from others and you have a greatly reduced risk of illness.
Can you provide any evidence to back up those statements, like you keep demanding of everyone else? And keep in mind that any evidence would need to take into account countries like Sweden.
Re Sweden:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
yes, and? Think carefully about what you're trying to say before you answer.
WTF don't you get that having enough people refuse to a) follow the guidelines, masks, distance, etc, and (b) get vaccinated have led to people losing their jobs, businesses closing down, inflation, etc?
No, lockdowns did all of those things, not vaccinations or lack thereof. Again, I point you towards Sweden.
Or its about protecting ourselves from the clot shot:
Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
The risks of Covid-19 are far, far greater than the side effects of the vaccines.
Oh, so you're acknowledging now that the vaccines are not, in fact, safe? That's a good start. Now see if you can wrap your head around the concept of variable risk for different populations based on e.g. age, health, etc
No, they're safe and effective. The risks of a side effect from the vaccine is far, far lower than the risks of severe illness or death from Covid-19, as the Covid-19 mortality numbers prove. Nothing is risk free, start there.
Try looking up absolute risk reduction and get back to us about the point of mass vaccination with a leaky shot. We really should quit feeding troll boy jeff
Correct, so how do you define "safe" then? Are people allowed to have different risk levels that they consider "safe", or do you believe that there is some universal, authoritarian definition of "safe" that everyone must agree with?
If I say that bungie jumping is "safe", are you compelled to agree with me? If the government says bungie jumping is "safe", are you compelled to agree with them? Or are you allowed to say, "you might be comfortable with that level of risk, but I'm not"?
Are you beginning to see how the "safe and effective" mantra doesn't actually capture the real world?
Got it. We need you to "protect" the unvaccinated because they're not capable of protecting themselves.
I really don't care about the anti-vaxxers, let them suffer Covid-19 including the risk of death, the issue are those that cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons.
Like you, I am so grateful for the busy bodies in this world.
Hey jeff, can you explain to me why I should take a vaccine that causes more severe adverse events then the number of severe covid cases it prevents? Effective indeed, if you mean effective in causing people to need medical care.
https://norstadt.substack.com/p/severe-adverse-events-vs-severe-covid
The vaccine is safe and effective: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
I don't care if you do or don't, the issue is that if morons like you were to get vaccinated the pandemic would be over, we'd be in a seasonal flu situation. But no, you prefer to read non-science bullshit like that blog post.
I wrote that post and am a scientist. Let's memorialize the fact that you don't care if I don't get vaccinated. I applaud this attitude and will let the other stuff pass.
The real issue here is the generation of mutant strains - that's what the unvaccinated do is provide the fodder for the virus and provide lots of instances - opportunities - for mutation. Only the ignorant or the idiotic would deny that.
Well then please explain how so many already vaccinated people are still providing fodder for the virus and getting infections? In addition, the natural course of every viral epidemic in recorded history has been that as it spreads throughout the population, it weakens. The "Omicron" variant is exceedingly mild and may signal an end to the COVID 19 hysteria.
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
I suggest you educate yourself by reading RFK Jrs. incredibly researched and document new book. I found it to be quite shocking.
RFK Jr is an anti-science anti-vaxxer. Nothing he says is supported by any research, study, data, etc.
I hate to tell you that if the vaccinated are, as data reveals, getting infected that implies viral replication. Any single stranded RNA virus is subject to many replication errors as it battles the immune system. The real danger in a leaky vaccine are replications in the vaccinations that evade the induced immunity. Those replications are even more hazardous to the vaccinated. So far, we can hope Omnichron will remain somewhat benign to the unvaccinated, we await the fate of the vaccinated, but hope it remains mild.
LOL! I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
Bingo!
Allow me to slightly edit your last sentence: “Just trust us, we know what's best for you and society, comrade"
The vaccines work and have been proven safe and effective. After you're vaccinated, your anti-bodies contract over time, this is the same with all diseases, but your immune system is set up to respond to another SARS-CoV-2 infection. However, as it takes time to ramp up the immune response, a booster provides neutralizing antibodies that are ready to go. It isn't that boosters will be necessary forever, but that they are a good idea now as cases have increased.
Of course, you're mistaken. That is not how the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines work.
MRNA vaccines alter the gene structure so that cells become less receptive (though not completely unreceptive, hence the less than 100% efficacy) to the spiked proteins of the virus attaching themselves to the cell's outter walls. The more the cellular structure is altered via the nanolipids, the less ability they have to employ natural immunity, thus, causing an increased reliance on external aid (boosters).
In short, these MRNA vaccines are effectively altering and diminishing our immune system with each new dosage.
LOL! OK folks, this is a great example of either a troll or an idiot. mRNA is transcribed in the nucleus and moves to the cytoplasm where it is used as a template for a ribosome to synthesize a protein. It has nothing to do with altering gene structure.
In the case of the Covid-19 vaccine, the mRNA is used to synthesize the spike protein that is then presented to the immune system as an antigen such that the immune system will identify it as "other" and generate an immune response.
This is verified by reading microbiology textbooks and reading about the development of the mRNA vaccine, such as https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33498787/.
Here’s some reading for you, if you dare:
“SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8538446/
“Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site.… Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines.”
That actually has nothing whatsoever to do with the conversation to which it was injected.
You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it regarding the progressive destruction of your immune system with each successive injection (as demonstrated in Dr. Nathan Thompson’s analysis of a patient’s pre-and post-vaxx (#1 and #2) bloodwork: https://www.brighteon.com/d0b119e8-6c42-4bc3-9e32-d6d37b1ff769). Just get an enhanced autoimmune panel to see how your specific immune system has been affected. Better yet, get one before and after each booster shot you get from now until infinity and see how your natural killer T-cells fare before and after each shot.
Oh, and make sure you add regular D-Dimer tests to your lab work to detect microclots before they become fatal cardiac events.
That's a denier site, note that this guy has produced no peer reviewed study, only a video. He's a liar.
The vaccines are proven safe and effective.
😆 A “denier” site? Brighteon is simply a video-hosting service—it has no agenda besides permitting free speech, unlike your Big Tech overlords.
Did you watch the video? Like I said, you don’t have to take anyone’s word for it. Go get your enhanced immune panel tests and see how your very own immune system is doing. Pure data, no opinion needed.
Hey smart guy, you are injecting yourself with a technology that tells your body to create the spike - the very thing that causes illness and disease. Sounds super safe!
Of course, you're mistaken.
Per your original assertion that the vaccines result in a 'contraction of antibodies' you highlight your misunderstanding of "the science".
That you can cut and paste from a site explaining a portion of the process in no way means you understand what was written, what you posted, and what the full process actually is.
Troll that shug...
This is absolutelly false and anything that follows therefrom can safely be discounted as it's based on a faulty perception:
"MRNA (SIC) vaccines alter the gene structure so that cells"
NOPE!
No genetic material is altered.
mRNA is inserted. It provides directions for cellular machinery to create a particular immune response. NO DNA IS ALTERED, and neither is RNA, for that matter, though our cells don't use RNA as genetic material.
Well, that's not what we were promised. We were promised one vaccination and you're done. I remember very clearly the outrage at the FDA over the idea of a booster back in June. It was dismissed out of hand. A few months later, it was outright panic.
Did you ever wonder why adults who have had chickenpox as adults aren't scared to be around their kids who have chickenpox? That's long-term immunity and is proven to last a long, long time.
So "Your antibodies contract over time" is a confusing statement from a science perspective, and perhaps you meant t cell immunity.
There are four major proteins in Covid. The antibodies created by the vaccines only protect against one - the spike protein. The variants are merely mutating the spike protein to get around the vaccine.
These vaccines absolutely protect against hospitalization and mortality. But they are not what we were promised, and they sure as hell don't protect against infection. These are weak, leaky vaccines.
The vaccines also cause hospitalization. No one is keeping careful track of that, but the safety studies showed more severe adverse vaccine events than severe covid. "Severe" means requiring medical attention. See my substack.
"But they are not what we were promised, and they sure as hell don't protect against infection. These are weak, leaky vaccines."
Then you didn't understand vaccines. Vaccines do NOT protect against infection. Never did. Vaccines protect against severe illness. Read some textbooks, watch TWiV, and take the virology and immunology classes provided by Vincent Racaniello and Brianne Barker on youtube.
I think you're just making things up at this point. Classical vaccines do prevent against infection and that's the whole point. That's why polio, smallpox, yellow fever and other major diseases have been nearly eradicated when we implemented vaccination. Smallpox - one shot, 95% reduction in infection. Google it or watch your favorite youtube videos.
I thin you are just refusing to educate yourself at this point, confusing a few data tid-bits that fit your preconceived narrative for education.
TWiV seem like some real idiots. They were talking about how warm fall weather in New England is a sign of global warming. That weather pattern has been around forever and is called Indian summer. I'm sure their virology is just as insightful.
Actually, it's the unprecedented warmth and severe weather in the upper midwest that reflects global cooking.
I'm referring to this episode (the only one I started):
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-818/
They are talking about New Jersey, and how summer weather on October 15 is a big deal. It isn't.
"The variants are merely mutating the spike protein to get around the vaccine."
Proteins are not mutated. The virus' genetic material undergoes mutation that then results in a protein variant
yes, you have literally just said the exact same thing. If you don't understand how your statement is the equivalent of the other statement, you are just regurgitating material you have heard.
No, he's right; it's not at all the same thing. For one, it's a generational difference. YOUR statement is that the parent changes when it's the child that may have changes and these changes are rather random and may or may not "help" the next generation of virus not be caught by the immune system. And, if you don't understand why these are different statements, you are just regurgitating your incorrect perceptions you have heard or made up.
What you just wrote has no connection to what I wrote. I said nothing of the sort.
No, there is a difference. Genetic material mutates, proteins do not, they are produced by the mRNA as instructed. A protein may have thus be different from that produced by other mRNA variants, but it has not mutated.
Okay, so you're just being pedantic. It was obvious that was the meaning of the original statement, since the protein synthesis is just a direct result of the mutation in gene encoding for that protein. It's perfectly acceptable to say that the protein is a mutation.
"There are four major proteins in Covid. The antibodies created by the vaccines only protect against one - the spike protein. The variants are merely mutating the spike protein to get around the vaccine."
They chose the spike protein as it is the obvious choice as antigen as it is the most exposed. The vaccines don't protect against the antigen, they provide the means for its creation in cells to generate an immune response to it such that it is recognized in future infections.
yeah, having your own cells producing the toxic spike protein is SUCH a good idea.
As I understand., cells expressing a foreign protein are killed by the immune system - part of the process. How many would that be? And where? There are reports of spike protein in very odd places.
I suggest that you educate yourself by listening to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv), Vincent Racaniello's virology and Brianne Barker's immunology lectures on youtube.
"So "Your antibodies contract over time" is a confusing statement from a science perspective, and perhaps you meant t cell immunity."
Contraction is the term for the reduction in immune cells, anti-bodies as used in https://www.nature.com/articles/ni1098/.
Fair point.
"Well, that's not what we were promised. "
That's on you. Vaccines do not prevent infection, they reduce the risk of severe illness. That's it. It depends on a) the mutation rate of the pathogen and (b) the half-life of the anti-bodies. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/ppmc/articles/PMC24180/bin/pnas_96_24_14001__1.html for a discussion.
The definition of severe covid has a lot in common with panic attacks. Both are characterized by respiratory distress and over 30 breaths per minute are enough for a severe covid diagnosis if there is a positive lab test. That is the FDA definition.
Many people with a positive covid test will experience panic, even if the disease is otherwise mild. The vaccine effect could be mostly mental after the antibodies wear off.
boosters will be necessary forever...it's in Fauci's playbook, if he can get away with it...the COVID vaccine is minimally effective at a maximum price in both dollars and health...
That's not definite. At the moment the booster is suggested only because it produces a lot of neutralizing anti-bodies for about 6 months and so if a vaccinated person is exposed, they don't have to wait for anti-body production to ramp up. After 6 months the immune system naturally contracts the anti-bodies as they are no longer needed.
If the refusal of people to get vaccinated doesn't result in other SARS-CoV-2 serotypes, then boosters in the future might be seen as a good measure as flu vaccines are now, but wouldn't be argued as necessary as the immune system would still recognize the SARS-CoV-2 antigens and step up a response.
Solid reply, thanks.
Goal-post shifting, two weeks at a time—the extent of the public’s memory.
No shifting. Vaccines are what they are, the difference being that mRNA is now used to express the antigen. It works and it's safe.
“Safe and effective! Safe and effective! Safe and effective!”
If you keep repeating the Covidian catechisms, it makes it true! No need for peer-reviewed science to support your religious faith.
I see there’s no penetrating your cult beliefs, so I should save keystrokes and stop bothering.
Why have case increased - drastically - when more than half the population has been vaccinated? The real world seems to be contradicting you.
For the same reason a thermonuclear bomb works.
Nuclear fusion? I fail to see the relevance.
No, not fusion, fission, which is enabled via a surplus of neutrons. From that the fusion reaction can begin.
About cardiomyopathy: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34222385/. See? No one brushed it away! No conspiracy!
You mean like this legitimate Canadian paper, which has nary a peep from the mainstream press? Look at the table on page 9.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.02.21267156v1.full.pdf
Or this one, showing nearly a 150% increased risk over 5 years for acute cardiac syndrome of those recently vaccinated:
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
Same for me.
Children may have a reduced chance of severe Covid-19 but that is not zero risk. Children should get immunized for the same reason that adults do, a) to reduce their risk of severe Covid-19 and (b) to reduce their threat to others if they do develop Covid-19.
That is a statement that is thoroughly incorrect. Children are not major spreaders of Covid, simply because they don't carry much viral load. Further, they are at minor risk from Covid - long Covid is extremely rare, and mortality is almost zero.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/long-covid-19-rare-children-study-says
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/study-finds-kids-under-10-unlikely-to-spread-coronavirus-at-school
Yet we don't know the long-term effects of the vaccine on children. So you want to pump an experimental gene therapy into your kid? That's criminal in my view.
If you're at risk or over 60, get the vaccine! But for children, it makes zero sense.
"So you want to pump an experimental gene therapy into your kid? That's criminal in my view."
This vaccine is not an experimental gene therapy. Read about what mRNA does and you'll see why. mRNA is by default not genetic, got it?
Jeff, I'm sure you're a well-meaning, very smart person. But on this, I might offer a correction - as the character said in the famous film: "I do not think you know the meaning of that word".
There are two major vaccines - DNA vector (J&J, AZ) and mRNA (Pfizer, moderna). DNA vector inserts DNA to create the spike protein into a common virus (the adenovirus). mNRA simply inserts the mRNA instructions for the cell to create the spike protein. As you probably remember from your high school biology, mRNA is an RNA molecule that is complementary to one of the DNA strands of a gene.
Classical vaccines use a dead, or attenuated version of the virus to push the body to create the immune response. These new vaccines use a form of gene engineering to create at least a partial effect of the classical vaccines.
I think mRNA technology is downright magical and will revolutionize medicine. I'm just not thrilled to be beta testing something which has no long-term studies.
"Jeff, I'm sure you're a well-meaning, very smart person. ". A nice try to draw this clown into an intelligent conversation. But it is really hopeless. He is neither well-meaning nor smart. Just read his comments - he posts like a troll. No good intentions there. No incisive thinking. Just an authoritarian clown who thinks he's discovered irreproachable truth.
OK, tweak, show me where I'm wrong. Better to use direct quotes.
I stand by my post. mRNA is NOT gene therapy as you previously stated. Now you correct that. Good.
All right, perhaps "gene therapy" is not perfectly accurate, as it gives an impression that genes are altered. A more perfect term - uncontested by any scientist - would be "genetic-based therapy". And on that, I think we can agree.
Note that https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-in-babies-and-children/art-20484405 states:
"While all children are capable of getting the virus that causes COVID-19, they don't become sick as often as adults. Most children have mild symptoms or no symptoms"
and
"However, some children become severely ill with COVID-19."
Therefore, my statement is correct, just stated differently. You are simply restating my point regarding that point. However, we know the long term effects of the vaccination in children, an immune system setup to deal with a future SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Where are your long-term clinical studies proving this is safe for children? For that matter, where are your long-term clinical studies proving this is safe for adults?
What’s that? Oh right, there are none.
Before you start lining up children for experimental injections to protect against a virus that poses zero threat to them, read what the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology says about it: https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/between-the-forceps-and-the-stone
Where is Malone's research:
"This gene forces your child’s body to make toxic spike proteins"
Toxic? How? The fact is that if there is a problem with the mRNA vaccine then the same threat exists with the SARS-CoV-2 virus as the spike protein is present on the virus and is expressed when the virus takes control of the cell that it has entered. So, where's his research?
Here's a paper discussing that concern: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100279/
If the spike problem exists then it exists in a SARS-CoV-2 infection too, which then presents the decision to risk severe illness too or just the risk of the spike. Malone has provided NOTHING, I searched scholar.google.com and got no results, to support his allegation and there's no results for "spike toxicity".
Umm, maybe you’re unaware that Dr. Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology and thus has a bit of inside knowledge on the topic? And yes, you’re right—they found out about the SARS-CoV2 spike protein being toxic *after* they turned the vaxxed into spike protein factories. Oops.
Maybe you’re also unaware that the spike protein has been found to stay in the vaxxeds’ bloodstream for at least 15 months (https://palexander.substack.com/p/spike-protein-and-components-s-1) (that’s as long as it’s been studied—no telling how long it actually stays).
Perhaps you should try searching PubMed instead of Google “Scholar”: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=spike+protein+toxicity
Lasting immune response comes from infection. Not from this vaccination.
As far as "some children become severely ill", do you know how many healthy kids have died of Covid? Out of 73 million children in America, there have been 700 deaths from Covid, of which most of the children had co-morbidities. This is not the plague -at least for children.
Vaccination creates that immune response!
As for kids getting vaccinated, I'll let the medical professionals tell us what they think should happen. They're competent, pay attention to them and discuss their suggestions.
Here are pictures of some of those children you’re so eager to kill: https://straightlinelogic.com/2021/12/14/a-short-pictorial-essay-covid-shots-are-safe-from-stucky/
OK, now you've jumped the shark.
So you’re not in the least bothered by all of these real human beings with real lives and loved ones dying post-injection?
Please do yourself a favor and try to earn a heart by watching this:
https://thehighwire.com/videos/who-will-help-us/
It’s just a fragment of the 3+-hour long hearing (https://thehighwire.com/videos/live-in-d-c-expert-panel-on-medical-mandates-vaccine-injuries/), but I don’t expect you to give up that much of your life to shatter your BigPharma-induced hypnosis—although I would be seriously impressed if you had the courage to do that and would applaud you for your compassion if you did!
This really is a "beyond the pale" question:
"So you’re not in the least bothered by all of these real human beings with real lives and loved ones dying post-injection?"
I agree. It is beyond the pale that trolls dismiss the suffering of these human beings and millions of other individuals around the world and won’t even relinquish 12 minutes of their lives to listen to their heartbreaking stories but instead double-down on defending the megacorporations raking in trillions in profits without a penny of liability for those they have grievously harmed and murdered.
Logic does not work with religious zealots...
Re: a): Read "How likely is it for a child to become sick with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?" at https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-in-babies-and-children/art-20484405 to see why it is prudent to vaccinate kids for their own well being.
Re: b): It is about the unvaccinated. As peak shedding is prior to symptom onset, an exposed kid could expose adults, so reduce the risk.
It is sensible to vaccinate kids.
The sensibility of vaccinating children is a decision to be made SOLELY by the parents.
It is "sensible" to prohibit alcohol given the tremendous economic costs it imposes on society. So I say let's do it!
No, the parents aren't competent. The decision should be by a competent medical professional who the parents can choose to ignore if they so choose.
So in other words, the medical professional gives ADVICE, and the parents make the DECISION then? You're not even trying to be consistent.
If you want to murder 117 kids for every child supposedly “saved” from COVID, their blood is on your zealous hands: https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/what-is-the-number-needed-to-vaccinate
Who the fuck is Toby Rogers? You are part of the problem with sources like that.
Oh yes, slam your brain shut lest any information from sources not approved by BigPharma sneak in! How about evaluating the data for yourself instead of seeking out pharmaceutically-verified shills who prove your propaganda-implanted confirmation bias.
I saw a graphic recently that suits you: https://twitter.com/Leo04847568/status/1460362349215424513/photo/1
Feel free to substitute “Covidian” for “Leftist.”
You don't know what you're talking about. Listen to This Week in Virology (at microbe.tv/twiv) and watch Vincent Racaniello's virology lectures on youtube you'll know more than you do now.
1. What do you mean by "classical" vaccines that you claim these aren't?
2. What is "leaky"?
I can't wait to hear your answers.
1. These are not classical vaccines. A classical vaccine creates a lasting immune response by injecting a dead or attenuated version of the live virus (e.g. smallpox, measles, etc.); or it provides the full protein makeup of the virus (e.g. your annual flu vaccine). These new vaccines use DNA vector or mRNA technology to get into the cell, and "tell" the cell to create the spike protein. It's very novel and has not been done ever before in mass volume.
2. Leaky means a) they don't protect against infection and b) people who get Covid and are vaccinated can spread Covid. That's my definition of leaky, but if you think there's a better one, let me know!
Here are the 5 types of vaccinations for your reference:
https://privatebank.jpmorgan.com/content/dam/jpm-wm-aem/global/pb/en/insights/eye-on-the-market/section-1.pdf
So, they're "leaky"? They work. the vaccines reduce the chance of severe illness and as peak shedding occurs pre-symptom anyway, leakiness isn't actually a problem as noted, it happens anyway. Also, there is the fact that vaccinated people who shed are shedding virus at a far lesser rate than those unvaccinated and as 80% of Covid-19 cases are caused by 20% of those with Covid-19, it isn't that easy to spread.
"Breakthough" implies something that is not true, that vaccinated people do not get sick, they do but as their immune system was setup by the vaccination to identify antigens, they fight it off far sooner than had they not been vaccinated.
LOL! You obviously don't understand that vaccines set up your immune system to fight future infections. That's pertinent.
The T cells handle all variants so far. The vaccine works very well.
The mistake there is in thinking that's pertinent.
The vaccinated are infectious for a far shorter period of time.
And the vaccinated have little to no symptoms! Also, there's no indication that they spread any viable virions! They may shed viral material, but if they produce little viable virions, then they spread no disease.
How about “seeing” that almost a million people in the US have died from Covid and many others have died from postponed surgeries.
Actually we don’t know how many died FROM COVID as opposed to dying WITH COVID.
Two very different numbers.
My daughter’s trip to have her new son had a COVID diagnosis and line charges. She, her husband and newborn all tested “positive” but were totally asymptomatic. No special treatment required.
But her visit counts as a “COVID hospitalization.”
Not to mention: hospitals get $39,000 for a ventilator used on a COVID patient but only $19,000 for using the same ventilator on non-COVID patient. So is there any surprise that just about everything is a COVID case?
Not mention insurance fraud.
Cass, if any of my comments make me appear to be dismissive of Covid, that was certainly not my intention. It is a nasty disease and I know of people who have died from it. I do not take it lightly.
My issue is with the public policy. Vaccine mandates, lockdowns, mandatory masking aren't the solution. And any attempt at medical protocols to heal those who do get ill are dismissed (except for monoclonals, and they still have a hard time getting accessed outside of Florida).
People who die from Covid are typically over 50, and many have co-morbidities or weight issues. These people need the vaccine. My issue is with many of the other decisions.
I am curious whether you know of other factors that separate the serious-COVID-illness susceptible from others. In fact, I've asked that for a year and a half without getting satisfactory answers. But it must go beyond the (often) self-care related co-morbitities identified. Regularly we hear of cases of young, healthy people dropping dead of COVID. How does that happen? What's going on?
Actually, young, healthy people rarely drop dead of Covid. The age stats skew dramatically to older people, and the obese and people with co-morbidities.
Stats: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
Yet to your point, there is something else at play. For example, the science tells us that vitamin D3 has potentially potent anti-viral properties. And we now know from many studies that vitamin D has been found to be low in COVID-19 patients (and people commonly drink sodas with high fructose corn syrup - which in fact, is a deactivating agent to vitamin D). Perhaps that plays a role. And obesity plays a massive role as well.
Thank you.
It doesn't bother me when the media uses a "sexy" anecdotal story to draw viewers, but when they meanwhile studiously avoid pointing out what's representative and what is not, they do a grave disservice.
I simply don't participate in viewership of the MSM, at all.
Many of those cases are cytokine storms.
Some are a result of undiagnosed health problems. I’ve read several case studies in which the deceased had leukemia but didn’t yet know it.
Are cytokine storms predictable, i.e. who gets them and who doesn't?
If we can, more or less neatly, separate the causes of the young/healthy cases from the old/weak cases, why aren't only they the ones quarantined, vaccinated, etc.? Why, in short, *must* everyone continue to be vaccinated?
Two years in, it seems we'd have better answers to these questions to predict who is truly at risk to become ill, *if* TPTB cared about it.
I suspect that cytokine storms happen more often in people who have hyperactive, dysregulated immune systems to begin with.
No one really knows what percentage of the population has some sort of autoimmune condition / disease, but a current estimate is that between five and eight percent of the population of the US has some kind of autoimmune disease, and the prevalence is rising.
I had autoimmune thyroiditis for about two decades before it was medically diagnosed. (I had all the symptoms of insufficient thyroid hormones all those years.) It was triggered by a massive exposure to toxic chemicals - specifically flame retardants. I've been sick ever since then (i.e. most of my adult life) with chronic fatigue / immune dysfunction / extreme environmental and chemical sensitivity syndrome.
Prior to getting the Pfizer covid vax, I was completely unaware that people with autoimmmune diseases are at high risk of adverse reactions to vaccines of all kinds - not just the covid "vaccines."
I had a catastrophically bad reaction to the Pfizer poison, and now, nine months later, I have lasting neurological damage from strokes or microstrokes, and / or massive, sustained, whole-body inflammation caused by the clot shots. Four months after the second shot I was still experiencing new, further manifestations of the severe damage the shots have done to my body. I still feel sick most of the time.
As far as I know no, cytokine storms are entirely unpredictable when the trigger is a novel pathogen.
I started watching this unfold in early January 2020. I had very serious concerns, so much so that I had my pantry and fridge stocked when impeachment theater was the story of the day every day.
By June 2020 we had much more data and knew the CFR is nowhere near as bad as it looked., even without the seroprevalence studies showing the true infection rate an order of magnitude greater than the “case rate” over which everyone frets.
Since autumn 2020 I’ve considered this whole thing a sham.
For what purpose I’m not sure but it has nothing to do with health.
I think it’s what Jim Clyburn said early on: it’s their chance to change the country their way.
Don't believe scary COVID anecdotes in the news when it's public policy to scare people about COVID.
Yes, young people are dying more than usual, but not from the COVID waves that are hitting the elderly. https://norstadt.substack.com/p/are-the-usa-sacrificing-the-young
In the safety studies, vaccines never showed a mortality or safety benefit in any population group.
I have never seen or even heard of this except in your comment:
"any attempt at medical protocols to heal those who do get ill are dismissed"
??
Please look up Dr. Peter McCullough. They're talking about hydroxyquinone and ivermectin - it's now a fairly long list. They were actively suppressed, especially in the US, because they compete with the lucrative vaccines and new drugs.
McCullough is a prestigious doctor - usually runs through his credentials, a cardiologist, who does both research and treatment. His protocol is apparently quite complex - and in his experience, effective.
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Until quite recently, people with Covid were routinely just sent home until they showed signs of dying, because there was no acknowledged treatment. this happened to my wife's relatives. That isn't good medicine.
Malicious labeling is how authoritarians dismiss any and all opposition. They test their terminology in focus groups and then march out in lockstep using their new talking points to demean and dismiss all intelligent discussions. Anti-vaxxers is just another example of how they use words to create war.
They worked to paint anyone who failed to deeply genuflect and bow down to their version of weather as “Climate Deniers”. They maliciously associated those of us who know that there is very little science that’s ‘settled’ as ‘deniers’. They are openly equating our insistence on simply seeing climate evidence as being no different than being in favor of loading Jews into boxcars. The more heinous the accusation, the more emphatic they become.
Their language has a singular intent; sit down and shut up. The Left’s idea of a new normal is easily understood. They want all the power and they want it now. Because that’s what authoritarians do.
Anti-vax Nazis and CRT-spouting socialists make up the whole of our neatly divided population, so I'm told. Yes, it's about social control. But no, it's not just "the left" (as if that's what Democrats were anyway). Divide us and make us angry about culture war battle of the week and all the robber barons who own the government and the media can continue to feed on us.
I’m curious: how does my refusing a medical treatment make me a Nazi?
Seems to me those who demand I subject myself to a medical treatment I do not want on pain of job loss etc are the actual Nazis.
I'm vaxxed. I must be a socialist. We're enemies, Nazi!
Like that.
We haven't realized in our othering and constant re-defining and re-labeling we're actually all just Seussian Sneetches.
https://seuss.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sneetches
Noticing the third team on the field is a good first step to avoiding this trap.
Which one?
Climate, Covid, Carbon Trading, Critical Theory, even the Election ... Problems are presented in outline form, then later refined to fit the predetermined solution.
They are Orwellian. That is their defining trait. We need to be clear about that.
I am astonished and encouraged to discover a politician on the left speaking out against these authoritarian, discriminatory measures. Despite my disagreements with many of Corbyn’s past stances, I believe defeating totalitarianism transcends all other issues and am proud to join with open-minded individuals across the political spectrum to resist the authoritarian measures spreading around the world like an infectious disease.
The Left was hijacked with Marx. I know, so much has occurred since, it's easy to be confused.
But the Left's priority is equality and democracy -- the exact opposite of communist control by a self-selected totalitarian elite. It's one of the pieces of the original French "liberte, egalite, fraternite". (The Right's is liberty. The last one is the healthy form of nationalism common to both sides.)
You'll find there are very few street-level Leftists with a mad desire to control people ... then or now.
Then they'd better begin speaking out against the lunatics running the political left today because they are absolutely promoting authoritarian policies (lockdowns, mandates, mask requirements, travel restrictions, 'misinformation legislation', selective law enforcement against political enemies, solitary confinement, de platforming on social media, etc, etc, etc.
The current rank-and-file Left in the US are Stockholm syndrome victims. Since they feel there's no alternative to the Democratic Party, they meekly accept the monsters who run it (along with shepherds like Bernie), and so rationalize any nonsense those monsters come up with, no matter how soul-crushing.
They've swallowed the idea that ends (a healthy safety net) justifies the means (e.g. wokeness). But the ends never seem to arrive ... funny how that happens, and the show keeps rolling: e.g. Failure to properly implement racial justice in the 60s-70s; Failure to codify Roe v Wade after 1973; Failure to temper NAFTA properly in the 90s so that the "flattening" of economies didn't decimate US working classes; Failure to get real about a proper approach to immigration; the list is long.
I disagree - the rank and file are fully aware of their desire to control people and are that way willingly. I know many of these folks...they are not victims - they are perpetrators.
Those who truly believe control is central to Leftism (rather than, say, an unfortunate and sometimes necessary means) are not, IMO, Leftists. I use the original meaning of the word, not Marx's unfortunate corruption. (See my first comment above.)
I agree. But our definition is irrelevant at this moment.
Your "unfortunate and sometimes necessary" qualifier is really "inevitable and required" when control becomes central to your political ideology.
Spot on. Yet they continue to get "triangulated" (to use a Bill Clinton term) into worse and worse socio-economic position decade after decade by voting in the same neo-liberal DNC corrupt set of politicians.
Thank heavens their progeny are demanding more and better; if there will be some political turn-around, it'll be due to the Millennials and younger generations, which are legion in scale and progressive (genuine progressive) in viewpoint.
Well said.
There are no "lunatics running the political left today" - they're neo-liberals, and not at all "left," but all the same, damned right we've been speaking out against them since they entered the scene, oh, roughly with Bill Clinton's inauguration. Trouble is, they have the money, and therefore the microphone and the ultra-rich love them and shower them with money and attention; it's hard to fight against that, especially with all those unthinking people out there who just absorb the propaganda.
It would help us a lot if you folks would please stop calling them "left" and use "neo-liberal" instead - even just "liberal" would be better; that way, you at least acknowledge we exist!
BTW, check out Jimmy Dore on Youtube for a great example of a genuine left person who DOES have an effective microphone and REGULARLY calls out the damned Neo-Liberals! GO JIMMY!
We partially agree. Hollywood, pop culture, AOC, Pelosi, etc. are drowning out any rational left perspective and they have all the power and money. However, where's the civil liberties crowd? Where's NOW? Where's the ACLU? Where's the Sierra Club? Crickets when they should be speaking out against all the shit we've witnessed these last 18 months. I love Jimmy Dore and we need a million more of him.
The organizations you name seem to have been captured by the neo-libs.
Just as the ACLU has changed its messaging and its target audience, the Sierra Club is nothing but a money-sucking machine that promotes neo-liberal policies and attacks actual environmentalists. The Sierra Club now condemns its creator, John Muir, as if he was a white supremacist. We are seeing our history erased, our language rewritten, and our heritage destroyed.
Sierra Club is focused on our natural environment, not these other social issues.
But to answer your question somewhat, try KPFA radio - the REAL left. You can live-stream anywhere you have an internet connection at KPFA.org.
The Sierra Club has commented and inserted themselves into many social issues.
KPFA has become a mouthpiece for the powers which are instituting fascism / totalitarianism in our own country and around the world. KPFA is a classic example of the controlled opposition.
Have they ever, even once, questioned the government propaganda about covid and the so-called "vaccines?" Have they ever, even once, questioned the origin of SARS-CoV-2? Have they ever, even once, questioned the mask mandates, social distancing, the lockdowns, the vax mandates, or the safety and effectiveness of the "vaccines?" Why do they invariably, automatically, pathetically genuflect to the government sponsored / controlled “public health experts” who do nothing but spout government propaganda?
It seems that KPFA and its affiliate and sister stations are having an increasingly difficult time convincing listeners to support them financially. I’m not surprised by this. They’ve certainly lost my financial support!
I’ve no doubt that the CIA, DARPA, and numerous other evil US government organizations will gladly make up the shortfall in their budget.
This we agree on.
I agree, and I make a distinction between rational individuals who consider themselves on the left (as I did for most of my life) and the politicians, who are owned by megacorporations and the global elite.
maybe not "mad desire", but definitely "religious desire"...
Possibly. But they're then not reconciling the reasons they (most likely) became Leftists, and are instead mindlessly following Siren songs from their hijackers (as I describe below re Stockholm syndrome).
I should have said above "But the *true* or traditional Left's priority ..."
You are confusing the term equality with equity.
Yes, I know the difference. So I believe Marx and his followers would advocate equity by force .... and, lo and behold, here we are.
I think you're wrong about Marx, but I don't care to argue. I'm presently on an effort to re-read Marx's actual writings since I last read his work back in the '70s. Here's one source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/index.htm
His work has been re-articulated since his death - and, indeed, during his life - by the ultra-rich capitalists, and in so doing, they've largely redefined what he was about. His real goal was "genuine democracy," and his big mistake was in thinking that before we could get there, the old system had to be thoroughly wiped out and THEN we could build a new, fair system. And, so the capitalists seized on this and tried to paint Marx as only advocating that... It's a long discussion, potentially.
However, I'd happily go along with a slight rephraise of your remark:
The Left was hijacked by "Marxism."
(The quotes indicate it's not really what Marx was about, just what people THINK he was about.)
The old system is in the process of being thoroughly wiped out. It's unfortunate that there is nothing to replace it. The standard of living we have grown used to is paid for by ever-increasing debt and our economy is built like a house made of playing cards.
I suspect that, in the future, everyone besides the super-rich that control the world will share equally in poverty and squalor.
I do not agree that there's nothing to replace it - see a recent comment of mine downthread. However regarding this comment of yours, surely this is the goal of the ultra-rich: "everyone besides the super-rich that control the world will share equally in poverty and squalor. "
"However, I'd happily go along with a slight rephrase of your remark:
The Left was hijacked by 'Marxism.' "
I'll accept that provisionally. But it seems if Marx didn't take pains right off the bat to warn of the danger of the loss of democracy to the vanguard, and to propose a remedy similar in sophistication to his critique of capitalism (IMO, it's really that important, as there was plenty of sorry human history already in 1848 to show this), I'll maintain my skepticism.
Instead, my working hypothesis is that Marx and compatriots sensed a power vacuum, and ran to seize it. How they justified it in writing and speeches may not reflect their true feelings; a deeper contextual analysis of Marx is necessary. I'm no Marx scholar, but read a fair amount by/about him a while ago, and it took decades for me to come to this painful conclusion.
I wonder if there is a political party in the USA that actually believes in equality.
They all give it lip service ... but everywhere, power-hungry sociopaths wiggle their way to the top. It's a structural problem in civilization we have to figure out.
“ I am astonished and encouraged to discover a politician on the left speaking out against these authoritarian, discriminatory measures.”
Then, you haven’t been paying attention.
I am aware of brave individual voices on the left (e.g., Left Lockdown Sceptics: https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/) speaking out against mandates and other authoritarian measures being deployed in the name of COVID, but very few *politicians* on the left have been courageous enough to go against the WEF agenda (many of them having been groomed and installed by WEF: https://swprs.org/the-wef-and-the-pandemic/). Tulsi Gabbard comes to mind, but she has always been a rare outlier when it comes to pressures to conform to the party line.
Which politicians on the left have you seen taking a vocal stand against totalitarian edicts rather than advocating them?
Our corrupt media and electoral systems make it extremely difficult for genuine leftists to win elections, and the few who manage to do so are eventually co-opted by the thoroughly bought-off bodies to which they were elected. Our leftist leaders cannot be found in public office, nor are they often seen and heard over the MSM. Independent media is their sole outlet. But they do have followers, and here we are.
"eventually co-opted by the thoroughly bought-off bodies to which they were elected" OR, they get their seat gerrymandered out of existence.
Quite true, Dennis Kucinich comes to mind.
I know individuals who fit this description but very few leaders. I’m not questioning that they exist but would love to know the names of those who have been brave enough to stand against the COVID narrative and tyranny.
Well, I have managed to gather a fair-sized collection of URLs on COVID, and among them are some courageous voices who have spoken out against the COVID narrative and tyranny. I've selected a few for you, but of course the list is nowhere near exhaustive. Most are medical doctors and scientists, but there is also a well-known billionaire, a famous entertainer (and there are undoubtedly others, including Jimmy Dore and Joe Rogan), high-placed cardinals in the Catholic church, an outspoken Republican senator, a Noble Laureate virologist, a respected medical journal and a satirist. Slightly less well known are our own heroic commentators including the very courageous Glenn Greenwald.
https://humansarefree.com/2020/07/nobel-laureate-calls-covid-19-manmade.html
https://wallstreetonparade.com/2021/08/israels-director-of-public-health-stuns-tv-viewers-with-statement-that-50-percent-of-new-covid-cases-are-among-fully-vaccinated/
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/lancet-scolds-those-claiming-pandemic-unvaccinated
https://rumble.com/vfyvcn-critically-thinking-with-dr.-t-and-dr.-p-episode-44.html
https://www.bitchute.com/video/xWNF3dKU0kP5/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHSe-fcA6r0
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eric-clapton-slams-vaccine-propaganda-after-experiencing-disastrous-side-effects/ar-BB1gPT02
https://consentfactory.org/2021/10/12/the-great-new-normal-purge/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/57-top-scientists-doctors-release-shocking-study-covid-vaccines-demand-immediate-stop-all-vaccinations/5746848
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-dems-defect-help-gop-pass-bill-blocking-bidens-vaccine-mandate
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/doctor-banned-questioning-efficacy-masks-wins-high-court-case
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senior-cardinal-warns-elites-ushering-total-control-surveillance-state-through-covid
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/elon-musk-i-am-against-forcing-people-be-vaccinated-not-something-we-should-do-america
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/rand-paul-vaccine-zealots-wont-be-happy-until-they-get-your-newborn
Quite a few of these are from ZeroHedge, a somewhat rightwing news aggregator with mostly troglodyte commenters that does a respectable job of seeking out and reporting info we'll never find in the MSM. They're also good about publishing Greenwald, Taibbi, and news about Julian Assange.
What this tells me is that we can find common ground with the Right in our resistance to censorship and authoritarianism. At this point, we need to form alliances based on our common interests b/c the opposition owns the MSM (thanks to Clinton's 1996 Telecom Act) and much of the existing wealth & power.
The Democrats are, for the present, lost.
Totally agree, and thank you for collecting these links! (ZeroHedge has published three of my articles, so they’re fine by me 😉 I do agree about some of the commentators, tho 😆).
I, too, have been calling for people to rise above the artificial partisan boundaries erected to divide us so we can join together to defeat totalitarianism. In my mind, being pro-freedom and anti-tyranny trumps all other issues right now.
Thanks. Download as much as you can, as well as compiling bookmarks; chances are the links will disappear someday.
Oh yes, I was glad to hear he declared an end to the COVID state of emergency, although he is still parroting anti-unvaxxed rhetoric about it being their “own darn fault” if they get sick. But fine, I’ll take that. Those of us choosing not to comply with tyranny do accept responsibility for our own illness, unlike the Covidians who foist that responsibility onto everyone else.
Most people's biggest disagreement with Corbyn was over his anti-semitism. Which was not true any more than all of the Republicans in the US being white supremacists. It was another construct of the media machine. He got the business not because he was to the media's right, but to their left.
Love and appreciate your work. A clarification though. The term antivaxxer has been weaponized for years. This is not new. The irrational, cultish worship of the Covid vaccines, obliteration of dissent and exaggerated hysteria has simply made more people aware of a campaign that has been going on for a long time.
Most of us who are called that a term/have been called that term want a nuanced discussion about vaccines. For example, one that includes the recognition that a disease like mumps is an extremely mild childhood illness that confers lifelong immunity and, as some studies indicate, protection against ovarian cancer, and the vaccine offers notoriously short-lived protection that wears off right at the moment when young men are most vulnerable to complications that could impair their fertility. So, perhaps we should rethink including it in the mandatory vaccine program and save it only for those rare children with co-morbidities who would be vulnerable to complications of the disease. In medicine we always consider the severity of the disease, the risks both known and unknown of the treatment and whether there are better known, lower risk treatments. In the case of mumps the better treatment is called bed rest and liquids.
Most of us who are called that term were dutifully getting our vaccines when we or our children experienced an adverse event that irrevocably changed our lives. When we tried to bring it forward we were ridiculed, rejected and silenced. We've experienced doctors admitting in private that they think we were harmed by the vaccines but due to the weaponization of the language and the culture of retaliation when it comes to any critical thought about the vaccine program, they would never say so publicly.
Most of us have asked repeatedly for studies to determine who is genetically or metabolically vulnerable to vaccine injury so that we could create a screening program. The Institute of Medicine, despite the recommendation to do so by then head of the NIH, Bernadine Healy, decided against such investigation.
Covid hysteria has simply amplified and accelerated what was already a totalitarian medical culture wrapped in a spiral of silence when it comes to the shadows of vaccines and the vaccine program. All medical interventions have a shadow. It should signal a problem when discussion of that is verboten.
Get your facts straight:
"mumps is an extremely mild childhood illness"
Nope. Having had it, I know.
However, it IS vastly preferable to get it as a child because if you don't, and if you're not vaccinated, and you do eventually come down with it, it's a _devastating_ illness, which is why, before there was a vaccine, whenever there was an outbreak, everyone would bring their kids over to intentionally get them sick.
If you want a nuanced discussion, better include the pertinent facts.
The same is true of varicella. Getting it at 28 has far worse outcomes than getting it at 7. As an illness caught in childhood the illness is relatively mild for the vast majority of kids. When caught after adolescence, the same illness is devastating.
I had mumps when I was a kid too. I had very sore, very swollen neck glands, a fever, and malaise for several days, but I consider it nevertheless to have been a fortunate and essentially mild childhood illness. I'm glad I had it. My experience of having mumps as a kid does not even rate as a significant sickness in my life history of chronic debilitating serious illness, due to environmental toxins and other disasters. I think most Americans are total wimps in terms of accepting the fact that occasional sickness is an inescapable fact of life.
I had it as a child as well and was uncomfortable for a few days with swollen cheeks. But that's irrelevant. Children don't die in droves from it, in fact deaths from it are vanishingly rare and asymptomatic infections are many (or were in the days before the vaccine). That's a mild childhood illness.
This was never about public health because 1:2 men 1:3 women get cancer and there is no move to stop production and dumping of millions of tons of known carcinogenic chemicals yearly. There is no concern for how many may be homeless or starve with loss of income from lockdowns. There is a single focus which is vaccines, pitched as the way back to normal, now obviously a subscription service for quarterly jabs and enrollment in a government tracking system that turns freedoms into privileges tied to ongoing compliance.
Come on. Cancer is hugely more complicated than Covid. We know with 100% certainty what causes Covid (infection by Sars-Cov2), but we cannot remotely say the same thing for cancer. Likewise, we have a near-perfect preventative tool for Covid-19, but not so for most types of cancer. This is an extremely silly comparison to make.
"we have a near-perfect preventative tool for Covid-19," yes sunshine, fresh air and vitamins but none of those are part of the public campaign not are the repurposed drugs that can treat patients who need care to overcome infection.
" but we cannot remotely say the same thing for cancer. This is an extremely silly comparison to make."
We know cancer is a leading cause of illness and death unlike COVID that has a general population risk less than being hit by lightening. We know many cancer causing agents and those would be removed from the market if health factored at all.
What's silly is to dedicate the biggest public health spending in my lifetime to the lowest threat to public health and cash cow for big pharma without basic safety testing. Dubbya Bush ended TRI data collection in 2002 because bad news is best remedied by not looking.
"Over 4 billion pounds of toxic chemicals are released by industry into the nation's environment each year, including 72 million pounds of recognized carcinogens."
https://web.archive.org/web/20120213000438/http://scorecard.goodguide.com/env-releases/us-map.tcl
Where was all this loving concern for American citizens going without health care for decades? Why, if Fauci & Friends love children so much, is there not universal health care for them, if no one else? Why, with obesity and diabetes exploding in American, have there been no studies on the effects of hormone disruptors on these diseases?
And it is NOT a preventative tool since you can STILL get Covid, virus shed, get sick and be hospitalized and die DESPITE the jab. Wake the fuck up!
I said near-perfect, which is true. Obviously you can still contract covid and die after getting the shot, but your chances are much much lower. There's no waking up, just look at the death rate comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
Just look at the infection rate among the VAXXED. Worldwide. Abd more than one million adverse Covid vaccine events according to VAERS which you never hear about in the corporate propaganda outlets. MORE adverse events than ALL adverse events for ALL vaccines EVER! Read Robert F Kennedy Jr’s book on Fauci before hitting your keyboard with more bullshit.
29% of deaths in King County are fully vaccinated, and that's using the BS definition of anybody 40 days into the regimen as 'unvaxxed'.
https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/vaccination-outcomes.aspx
Are you denying the fact that the vaccine substantially decreases your chance of dying?
I'm denying your assertion that they are 'near-perfect'.
No matter how many people get jabbed, the virus continues working its way through the population. Any protection you get is 100% personal.
But personally I've already had the bug and shook it off in a couple days, exactly as I thought I would. I have better protection than anything in a bottle and can't spread the virus to anybody. When are you going to do YOUR part for society and catch covid?
Yeah, you can choose to play Russian injection roulette and risk your life/health (https://openvaers.com/covid-data) on a virus that poses virtually zero threat of mortality with early treatment protocols, or you could opt for natural immunity and be protected for life (https://brownstone.org/articles/79-research-studies-affirm-naturally-acquired-immunity-to-covid-19-documented-linked-and-quoted/).
What risk? The vaccines are EXTREMELY safe. In contrast, I know multiple people who have died from Covid, and they were all of course unvaccinated.
Wow, you obviously have swallowed the BigPharma propaganda hook, line, and sinker. You have a *lot* of catching up to do on the millions of injuries and tens of thousands of vaxx-caused deaths that have been reported worldwide, but here’s a starting point:
“Letter to a Holocaust Denier” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-holocaust-denier)
And those COVID deaths you mentioned? Those were all unnecessary and were caused by BigPharma intentionally blocking safe and effective treatments like ivermectin (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-scientifically-minded) while administering lethal interventions like Remdesivir and ventilation/intubation so pharmaceutical corporations could capture trillions of dollars in recurring income while governments seized totalitarian powers in the name of a mass delusion.
Time to wake up from your hypnosis and redirect your rage at the deceivers and the swindlers.
That doesn't mean the vaccines don't work - speaking here only about the J&J, Modern and Pfizer Covid-19 vaccines.
There's some silly idea running around that "these aren't real vaccines" for which a rational completion of the sentence would be "because I'm not an expert and don't really know how many vaccines work, and since this doesn't fit my narrow view, they aren't real vaccines."
These are not traditional vaccines. These are novel vaccines that use a genetic mechanism not widely used before to force the body to create one protein of the virus. You can see the 5 major types of vaccines in this list:
https://am.jpmorgan.com/content/dam/jpm-am-aem/global/en/insights/eye-on-the-market/covid-19/section-1.pdf
They are NOT “real” vaccines, you dumbkopf! Real vaccines have either live or dead virus in them. These don’t. They are experimental and they don’t even fucking WORK!
Wrong on both counts.
BTW, there's no call to use pejoratives; your use of one merely conveys to us your lack of ... nah, I'll leave it unsaid.
We had just exactly the right guy as a Glenn Greenwald fan over at The Intercept, but when he resigned, and we all - many of us - shifted over to this place, he didn't make the shift.
His name is Fred Cowan and is a some 50-osh year virologist who worked on the earlier SARS some nearly 2 decades ago, and has been working on SARS-CoV-2 since it emerged on the scene. He's a published researcher and he and I have been exchanging emails and the occasional phone call for a few years now.
I've been bouncing some things off him to check my perceptions now and then, which is where I've gotten a lot of the information I share here and elsewhere. ...I'll see if he wants to share his remarks on that topic. Typically an exchange between us takes a few days, so I'll try and keep this tab open, so I can find this again.
"we have a near-perfect preventative tool for Covid-19,"
What world do you inhabit?
The vaccines + booster provide 90% effectiveness against death. I inhabit the real world, not conspiracy land like most on here.
So 89% would not be "near perfect"?
Then why are we the ones documenting our claims with peer-reviewed scientific articles and credible sources while all you’ve done is spout BigPharma propaganda?
Because BigPharma just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside :)
THAT's what these vaccines do!
Evidently so. But maybe that’s just an adverse effect? 😆
No we don’t know. We have been TOLD that which is NOT to know.
Well-put
People love saying this, but where's the evidence? I had to show my passport to my employer, and I think the last time I flew on a plane. Outside of this, I barely even know where it is. Hardly a form of authoritarian compliance.
And if I came to you in September, 2000, and told you that you would need a special state-issued ID (and be forced to take off your shoes, belts, coats, etc.) to board a domestic plane flight in the very near future...you'd have, no doubt, dismissed me as some sort of spittle-flinging kook.
Just because it doesn’t affect you personally, it doesn’t exist. Wow. Talk about oblivious insensitivity to those who have sacrificed their careers, income, relationships, and potentially lives to resist tyrannical measures.
Keep lying down for the tyrants if you wish, but the rest of us will fight for your freedoms while you comply yourself into totalitarianism.
You're missing a key point here. The vaccinated can just as easily pass it on IF they actually have covid. Since being vaccinated substantially reduces your chances of having covid, then being vaccinated means you are less likely to be a spreader generally. I don't find the passports to be anything other than a logistical tool used to help show employers and businesses that you have been vaccinated. The government has much more effective ways of 'controlling' us if they so choose to do so.
Incorrect! There is zero evidence that Vax status has any effect of infection rate . You repeat disinformation.
Funny!
Interesting the trials only measure was if it reduced symptoms, so no, we don't have the data you claim we do
In addition to what redge wrote, the vaccines also shorten the time period of infectiousness considerably. One paper I read indicated that it can be as great as an order of magnitude difference, and that the mean is somewhere around a 5x reduction - that is, down from a few days to a few hours.
I really don't understand what we are arguing about here. You perhaps have an incomplete understanding of how vaccines work. Vaccination reduces the spread of a contagious disease in a population. This is why it is better to be around vaccinated than unvaccinated people, generally. I agree that vaccinated people who have contracted covid can still spread the disease, but that does not change the fact vaccination reduces your chances of carrying a spreadable viral load.
Yes actually. I am hoping that Covid will eventually dissipate and then become an endemic issue that we deal with like the flu. At that point, I don't think passports will be needed. Unfortunately we are not there yet, largely due to vaccination rates that are too low. In the current environment, I still want to know that my coworkers and fellow passengers are vaccinated.
Actually, you're the one whose data is inaccurate.
You mean the stories where they put people in camps and then murdered them en masse based on their religious affiliation? Do you not see how insane you sound comparing that to a piece of fucking paper that you only need to show in a few rare circumstances? And that's only if you WANT to participate in things like flying. The government is not making you do anything.
Sorry then. No, I do not know what you are referring to.
I’m willing to meet the half way. I’m anti-STUPID-vax.
I tried everything to get my youngest infected with chickenpox before he entered school. The risks of his catching chickenpox at age 30 due to waning effectiveness far, FAR outweigh the minor inconvenience of his getting the disease and recovering. Unfortunately I wasn’t successful in getting him infected and was forced to give him a completely unnecessary vaccine that puts his life in greater danger as he ages.
If that makes me “anti-vax” so be it.
At this point any time a liberal shrieks some intended insult at me I just smile and say “ok.” They all boil down to the same definition: someone who doesn’t agree with them.
"I’m willing to meet the half way. I’m anti-STUPID-vax."
Yes and this is the problem that Glenn is highlighting, being opposed to instances of a concept is now being used to slander people as being opposed to all of a concept in general.
It would be like expressing concerns over the Ford Pinto on the fact that it seems to create life threatening fireballs, and thus not wishing to be forced to buy and use one as a matter of personal choice, but then for taking such a position being slandered as "anti-car" or even having that extended to "anti-science" for being "anti-car" when cars represent a great triumph of science and engineering. Really for refusing (hypothetically) being forced to buy and use a Ford Pinto one would just be "anti-STUPID-car." Realistically that designation shouldn't even need to be said as any rational human being is "anti-STUPID-everything" where "STUPID" is understood as a simplified stand-in for a combination of things like "poorly functioning," "dangerous," "impractical," "fails cost-benefit analysis," etc... .
The complicating issue is, of course, all people have a different threshold and criteria for what qualifies as a "STUPID" version of something, so the only solution is to try and both educate people while also giving them as much free range to decide for themselves what qualifies as much as it is reasonable to do so.
Great analogy! I remember Pintos.
How long has it been since you have seen a Vega or Pinto running? They are all abandoned skeletons. Ford Cortinas could hang on as junker cars for twenty years.
Ages! Though I did see a Shelby Cobra run up a hillside a few weeks ago.
Yeah, OK, Dr. Oz… https://apic.org/monthly_alerts/chickenpox-versus-shingles-whats-the-difference/
I don’t need your 6th grade level “fact sheet.”
Want to impress me? Try something like this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3809354/
This article is a general discussion of herpes viruses and doesn't rally touch on the protective effect of the varicella vaccine. People do die from varicella; as a physician I had one case like that and they can also get very sick as adults. The other advantage of the varicella vaccine is that it does offer substantial protection against shingles. Since chicken pox has become a pretty rare disease in the US, the only protection against chicken pox now is the vaccine.
Oh and I intended the link as an example of what I consider reasonable rebuttals.
I also find the protective aspects of herpesvirus infection against y. Pestis and l. monocytogenes fascinating.
Yes on rare occasions encephalitis or other serious conditions are caused by varicella. Same is true for herpes zoster.
On the whole, my son is at far greater risk from post-adolescence varicella infection due to reduced vaccine effectiveness than he was as a healthy child to those rare effects of infection.
The point is a reasoned cost-benefit analysis that accounts for *all* factors. If my son had juvenile diabetes or some other chronic condition the vaccine may have made sense.
As it stood the varicella vaccine is a net negative.
Aren’t patients permitted to make those decisions today? Or are we now required to accept every word from an MD as infallible?
For me and my family, we reserve the right to refuse any medical intervention.
What do you think of the resurgent measles epidemics caused by parents refusing the measles vaccines? Is this a net good for society?
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-measles-outbreak-hits-marin-county-20150130-story.html
Measles CFR 10-30%
https://www.who.int/immunization/sage/Review%20article%20of%20measles%20CFRs.pdf
COVID CFR not adjusted for age or comorbidities: 0.6 to 3% depending on source
Your point is? Can we compare apples to apples please?
My kids had the MMR. It makes sense. Kids have practically zero chance of dying of COVID.
"What do you think of the resurgent measles epidemics caused by parents refusing the measles vaccines? Is this a net good for society?"
If it wipes out some "germ lines", maybe it'll result in an improvement in the average intelligence of the human specie, but it's important that that result would be by their own choice.
You are either with us or you are with the terrorist, racist, fascist, white nationalist, anti-Semite, anti-vaxxers.
Shit. That's gonna be a busy ass business card.
-Clutches pearls- There'll be no room left for pronouns!
You two win the Internet today!
Probably all anti-science too!
“ People have only as much liberty as they have the intelligence to want and the courage to take.” -Emma Goldman
I just watched a movie titled "The Forgotten Battle" about the battle in WW II in Zeeland, part of the Arnhem offensive. Several times in the movie characters are stopped at checkpoints in one of the towns occupied by the Nazis and they have to present their "papers" before proceeding. And it struck me immediately: This must be what it's like in New York City. We don't have to do that . . . yet . . . down here in Texas. Anyhoo, Seig Heil, ya'll and Happy Holidays to all you Greenwald readers from us down here in Austin, Texas (aka: San FranAustin, Texafornia)
Anti-vaxxer is a term coined by pharma, so we can start with that. I think your conception of the people raising concerns about vaccines could use some more nuance. There are people who believe most of the diseases we v against were going away before their v came into being. There are people who believe there's no way we need to jab babies twice as much as we did just a couple decades ago (and more than many other nations do). There are people whose babies and kids have been injured by v's sometimes permanently (many who've been paid compensation for these harms by the govt). There are people (and all of us should be in this category) who are concerned that the FDA, as a captured agency, is serving as a pharma promoter (just as they served as a biotech/GMO promoter) rather than a protector of public health. Finally, there are people (many of them) who had all other v's done for their kids, but looked at the fact that we're out of our depth on this technology, c doesn't pose an elevated risk to the young and healthy, the v doesn't do one of the main things it's supposed to, and have decided against it, for themselves and/or for their kids. All of these people, some of them overlapping and some of them not, fall into what pharma encourages us to call "anti-vaxxers." It's a convenient way to dispense with anyone who raises any question at all about the safety or prudence of individual v's or the v schedule as a whole (it must be the envy of every other industry that pharma was able to pull this off). This more nuanced reality has been well hidden, but every person who wakes up in the morning to find out they have been earned the anti-vaxxer label has an opportunity to say "Aha, so THIS is how this works." Like it or not, there are people who have labored for decades in the "health freedom" movement to ensure that the v's we give our kids are safe and necessary, and all they've received in return is a seemingly inexhaustible stream of contempt. That's on us.
"Anti-vaxxer is a term coined by pharma, so we can start with that." That is a fascinating statement and I am not doubting it, but I would love to see that backed up with a reliable source because I want to use it but not until I feel comfortable that it is well-documented. Can you direct me to a source for your statement?
Agreed. "Anti-vaxxer" is like "conspiracy theorist": a way to dismiss the person without refuting their argument or examining their evidence.
Vaccines have saved more lives than any other medical invention, even counting antibiotics. There is nothing wrong with asking questions. But doubting the overwhelming evidence that vaccines are a boon to humanity is pretty illogical and a one sided view.
On p. 288 of The Real Anthony Fauci, there are six charts showing the mortality decline of Measles, Pertussis, Influenza, Tuberculosis, Scarlet Fever and Polio. In all but polio, they had nearly disappeared BEFORE a vaccine was introduced, and polio was less than half. The charts are attributed to the Vital Statistics of the US 1937-1960 and Historical Statistics of the US: Colonial Times to 1970.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
Measles affects about 20 million people a year, primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia. It is one of the leading vaccine-preventable disease causes of death. In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it,and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000.
I don't doubt that measles and the other diseases you mentioned were mostly eradicated in the US before vaccinations. The epidemiological transition is mostly caused by better sanitation.
Thanks for that. Yes, sanitation, nutrition and a reduction in environmental stresses--strengthening the immune system, aka miasma theory. As Pasteur said on his deathbed, "The microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything." RFK's book says that a dollar spent on food and clean water in the developing world is far more effective than a dollar spent on vaccines. Even better would be economic policies that allow people to provide for themselves rather than the export market.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_smallpox
"During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 million deaths"
Agreed. Questions are good, and almost nothing in reality is one-sided! Most things have many, many sides. It is wisest to consider multiple sides of every issue (and find ppl who do that you can trust, since none of us has time to research everything).
I'm not sure if you mean the so-called anti-vaxxers but I don't share your low opinion, especially of parents who know that covid poses no threat to their children and who would never forgive themselves if their decision caused lasting harm or even death because they didn't do their homework or buckled under the pressure. To me, endangering a child in order to protect an adult--if that was even true--is reckless.
I agree with you about informed consent but my comment was on endangering children in order to protect adults. That would be requiring parents to sacrifice their children, who are not at an age of consent. But the point is moot because the vaccines don't even claim to reduce contraction or transmission, so you're right to put "protect" in quotes.
The whole situation resembles a ticking time bomb. Is it possible the people pushing this agenda are unaware of how wrong this this? Threatening people with their livelihoods to coerce them into taking an experimental drug that goes against the Nuremberg Code. I'm attempting to find another word for this but, have to settle for ghastly. Will be interesting to see where this goes when the proverbial shit hits the fan.
Glenn, in addition to being great journalism every time you post another piece it illustrates just how few genuine journalists - as opposed to propagandists - are out there.
I never thought I would ever say this, but I agree with Jeremy Corbyn. I am that person who was vaccinated, at 64 years old, as soon I was eligible. And I'd encourage anyone over 60, or with higher risk factors, to get vaxed. But I strongly opposed mandates for all the reasons discussed in this article.
I especially agree that it is just plain wrong to force front line health care workers to be vaxed or be fired. These people risked their lives to care for the legions of serious Covid cases in the early days of the pandemic. To fire them now is immoral.
This essay also points to one of my pet peeves, the constantly shifting and twisting definitions of perfectly good English words from the mouths of the Woke and Left. To them I say: Get your own damned dictionary, and leave conventional dictionaries alone!
“metamorphized” is far too charitable. Metastasized is a better fit. It’s all black like cancer. And consumes everyone.
Hear Hear. The pernicious corrosion on the left is not a natural or beautiful evolution. It is a vile and contemptible spread of every evil from thought control to group think. It is astounding to me that a nation (world?) that was brought up on the Orwellian classic warning of mindlessness of doublethink and the power of words, so quickly and eagerly ignores those warnings in favor of 2+2=5
Finally Jeremy Corbyn has found his spine.
As an adult, I have a hard time understanding why any other adult would not take the vax for Covid. I did as soon as it was available to me. Got the 2nd dose on schedule. Got the booster as soon as soon as available.
All that said, my lack of understanding of someone else's decisions, particularly regarding bodily autonomy, is not only zero, it is irrelevant. I feel pretty comfortable in my vaxxed state. I do not suspect that some un-vaxxed person is going to expose me to a so-called breakthrough infection. But if I get a breakthrough, I am neither going to blame some anonymous - or even known - unvaxxed (or vaxxed) person for it nor am i going to piss and moan about the percentage of vaccines in the population at large. I will deal with it. I've protected myself as much as I think I can. I hate the masks, don't think they work unless you use surgical masks and toss them out every hour. But, yes, I tend to wear a cloth mask if asked.
It is a virus. A special kind of virus. It is entirely different from the things that cause a host of diseases we are all familiar with and for which vaccines are ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE. Small pox, polio, MMR, etc. SARS-CoV-2 is going to be - it already is - endemic. It is in the air, it is in the soil, it is in animals (call you local zoo). It is in deer, for god sake and those damn varmints eat my landscape. It will be around me for a long while. s
I have my own risk management approach. I can live with other folks having a different approach.
Maybe because covid death rate is in-line with seasonal flu? Maybe because it is experimental and all past attempts at mRNA vaccines failed due to ADE (pathogenic priming)? Maybe because there are safe, cheap, and effective treatments. Maybe because of studies like this that are coming out:
Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
Or, (and/or) maybe because if you dissect UKs vaccine surviellance report you will see the vaccines are not providing much benefit at all?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1039677/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_49.pdf
The newest word game is "fully vaccinated". When the vaccine first came out everyone needed 2 shots to be considered "fully vaxxed". Fauci is now hinting that soon "fully vaccinated" will mean 3 shots. The Pfizer CEO is already saying a 4th shot will be needed to protect against Omicron.
Exactly. Soon, the jab will be normalized. IMO, the real point of the ruthless covax campaign.
I keep wondering when more people are going to say enough, no more shots for me.