That’s not what I said. You talk pretty good but you don’t read so well. The amount of money that Biden has spent in the last six months is ridiculous and makes Trump’s spending look like a bake sale.
All I said was Trump spent plenty and you and the rest of the MAGA-tards showed up to throw a hissy fit that I dared to criticize your god-emperor.
The proof is in the pudding, Trump spent plenty. Denying that, which again is the comment you are replying to above, is ridiculous, you even admit he did it.
Love of politicians is a mental defect. Good guys can't survive the big game. Our job as their subjects is to help choose the least bad option, and watch them closely for misbehavior. Goodness is never innate, it only comes from fear of punishment. We're all innately selfish bastards. We only tolerate rulers at all because we're too lazy to take control ourselves. The benign tyrant is still a tyrant, just our tyrant. Also remember that the tyrant du jour is only a figurehead, having little control of the enormous forces that control us. Politics is a game to amuse us while the deep state gets things done, their way.
There has been one president in modern history who recognized the Deep State, and went for it's throat with all his might.
He did not fail alone, those who stabbed him in the back in the ides of March were the ones responsible.
Yea debts were settled and Trump removed by fiat of the Corporatist Oligarchs who rigged the 2020 Presidential election.
PROLOGUE
It has become increasingly obvious after several months of dealing with the repercussions of the TIMES Magazine article by Molly Ball that some preliminary remarks are in order to understand the meaning of this article.
First and foremost is Ms. Ball’s use of language. The language she uses is what George Orwell referred to as, “Political Language”, wherein the terminology takes on rather deceitful nuances to portray a message that although true, is couched in coded terms. So that when Ms. Ball is describing what is clearly a conspiracy to manipulate the 2020 Presidential election, she chose the term “to save” it.
This key phrase has allowed for a disingenuous interpretation of the message Ms. Ball is giving the readers. This tactic allows for mollification of those who will automatically recoil from the real message that the article conveys, that the 2020 presidential election was ‘rigged’ ie; stolen by the cabal of corporatist oligarchs who conspired to place the candidate of their choice in the White House.
Another thing is obvious from the article, and that is that Ms. Ball was obviously taken into confidence by the leadership of this conspiracy and given first hand detailed information. They wanted this story to be revealed to the public. They knew because of their powerful positions that they are impervious to any legal consequences for their plainly illegal activities, as they have the impunity of wealth and political power. These people can brag about this outrage and get away with it.
There are quite a few things that have been revealed since the 2020 Presidential Election that prove the election was rigged.The most important of these are those revealed in the TIME Magazine article by Molly Ball on Feb. 4, 2021 that describe in great detail a conspiracy to rig the 2020 Presidential Election. I shall herein transcribe that in its complete form:
Iconoclast and I both despise Trump and Biden equally. But, you have to be "binary", treating Trump as if he's an honest broker. Certainly you understand that I'll be just as opposed to Trump as I am to Biden.
As long as you insist Trump a Saint and Biden the Devil, I have to be very careful in how I view your posts.
I know. My comment wasn't meant to try to persuade you out of your "Trump rut". You've overdosed on your hatred (no matter how justified) of the Democrats. So much so that you appear to be an "influencer", hired by Trump to improve his image.
BTW: your substack report on voting machines has some good information in it that others should examine. The only problem is your demented conclusion that Trump was robbed -- as if every election since 2020 has been "honest".
An excellent example of how to take the "truth" and transform it into meaningless propaganda.
I do recommend others read it and compare your points of fact with those of Greg Palast and Brad Friedman.
Are you really an onion? Or is that simply a moniker you use on the internet?
When I am confronted by anonymous cretains such as Iconoclast my first reacion is that the person is likely a disinformant agent. It seems to me that they might likely be from a foreign country playing at being an American.
These are admittedly just suspicions. I am even suspicious of you, and your German surname. Why? because of your pretense to be equally against Biden and Trump. It is a ruse that both you and your anonymous pal Icono pose at.
You are both equally biased against Trump. I simply do not believe that either of you are not pro Biden masquerading as "independent minded" thinkers.
These are my conclusions. They will not be swayed by denials from either one of you clowns.
If the conclusions are "rubbish" maybe you can tell us why. The conclusions of fraud have considerable circumstantial evidence. The smoking gun hasn't appeared yet, but probably will. Conclusions based on weight of evidence aren't gospel, just opinions. The constructive disagreement rebuts, not attacks.
Where is a single court case that Trump won? Some of those judges were his appointees.
My comment should have read:
"as if every election since *2000* has been 'honest'". /s
Whitten is pushing the Trump really won line because he's a MAGA-man.
My point has always been that Trump won because -this time- the Democrats (finally) cheated better than the Republicans.
If Whitten honestly wanted to support fair elections, we wouldn't have any argument. The evidence of Electoral Fraud is so blatant that one would have to be blind to not see it. But to offer up these ridiculous conspiracies like the phony ballots being "found" under a table, is foolish. The "fix" was in long, long before election night.
Plenty of evidence the election was corrupted, and plenty that the courts are corrupted. T h one who deny the corruption are either naive or complicit.
Simple, they both work for different factions of the Oligarchy. Every decision and every policy is to further enhance the power of the Oligarchy. They appeal to different voting blocks on different social issues (abortion vs choice, LGBTQ vs Cis; Socialism vs Liberalism [although to be honest, this appeal is made using words that have no meaning]; BLM vs Law and Order; and various others)
In the end -- while sometimes the common man might achieve some help, both profit at our expense. We are idiots to not recognize we are being played off against one another.
Greenwald published Cooper's piece on this. While there are some nits that I don't agree with Cooper on, if I step back and concentrate on his theme, he is "right".
Trump has made some better decisions than Biden in general. Specifically his pushing for the TCJA which was a huge fuck off to the DNC and is one of the reasons the COVID bailout was so huge.
I haven't seen a Biden decision I've liked but it is early.
Trump also made plenty of shitty ones. The pardon list itself is indicative of him being a shitlord, but I guess its better to be an America first shitlord than a For-sale-to-the-highest-bidder shitlord like Biden seems to be.
"But, you have to be "binary", treating Trump as if he's an honest broker."
What is with this Nietzschean metaphisical wnakaroo over "binary thinking"?
There is an up and down. There is an on and off. There is Yes and No, and good and evil. The shades inbetween can be haggled over, but charges of "binary thinking" are charges against critical thinking in a practical world of flesh and blood, agony and ecstasy....
I love how everyone of you people who blindly support one side or the other has called me your enemy at some point.
It just shows there is a vast swath of morons like you who are side-based and never believe their side can be wrong and never believe the other side can be right.
Like a good fat-backed sports fan arguing with your rival teams ffs.
Hello, Mr. Binary-American-Politics. You may have read Glenn on this site saying "Criticizing the left doesn't make me someone on the right"
The exact same thing can be said here. Me criticizing Trump and the right does not make me on the left. It just makes me a truthist who calls it like they see it.
You Trump cock-gobblers who think he farts perfume and pisses holy water are as bad genetically as the dipshits on the left who think big government are good.
Trump has done plenty of dumb, shitty things. Ignoring them because you like how he handles other things it the definition of homerism.
I have already found a dumbfuck Bidenista in you, who actually think that you have made any substantial arguments against Trump. You just call him stupid names.
I'd rather no go round'n'round with your flacky ass, but you keep ramping it up.
saying but the other guy did it too doesnt make it OK when you campaign as a republican who is going to cut government
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-rand-paul-face-the-nation-gop-hypocrisy-on-debt-deficits/
That’s not what I said. You talk pretty good but you don’t read so well. The amount of money that Biden has spent in the last six months is ridiculous and makes Trump’s spending look like a bake sale.
So Trump's spending was OK because Biden is doing it too?
You are replying to my top comment saying Trump spent like crazy and now you are admitting that.
Sycophants on the Trump side are just as fucking dumbass as the sycophants on the left with Biden.
I’m saying you’re making an invalid comparison because of the amount of Biden’s spending and what he’s spending it on. Grow up.
All I said was Trump spent plenty and you and the rest of the MAGA-tards showed up to throw a hissy fit that I dared to criticize your god-emperor.
The proof is in the pudding, Trump spent plenty. Denying that, which again is the comment you are replying to above, is ridiculous, you even admit he did it.
Federal Budget Deficit for June 2021: $174 billion
Federal Budget Deficit for June 2020: $864 billion
Well shit there goes that narrative.
Love of politicians is a mental defect. Good guys can't survive the big game. Our job as their subjects is to help choose the least bad option, and watch them closely for misbehavior. Goodness is never innate, it only comes from fear of punishment. We're all innately selfish bastards. We only tolerate rulers at all because we're too lazy to take control ourselves. The benign tyrant is still a tyrant, just our tyrant. Also remember that the tyrant du jour is only a figurehead, having little control of the enormous forces that control us. Politics is a game to amuse us while the deep state gets things done, their way.
There has been one president in modern history who recognized the Deep State, and went for it's throat with all his might.
He did not fail alone, those who stabbed him in the back in the ides of March were the ones responsible.
Yea debts were settled and Trump removed by fiat of the Corporatist Oligarchs who rigged the 2020 Presidential election.
PROLOGUE
It has become increasingly obvious after several months of dealing with the repercussions of the TIMES Magazine article by Molly Ball that some preliminary remarks are in order to understand the meaning of this article.
First and foremost is Ms. Ball’s use of language. The language she uses is what George Orwell referred to as, “Political Language”, wherein the terminology takes on rather deceitful nuances to portray a message that although true, is couched in coded terms. So that when Ms. Ball is describing what is clearly a conspiracy to manipulate the 2020 Presidential election, she chose the term “to save” it.
This key phrase has allowed for a disingenuous interpretation of the message Ms. Ball is giving the readers. This tactic allows for mollification of those who will automatically recoil from the real message that the article conveys, that the 2020 presidential election was ‘rigged’ ie; stolen by the cabal of corporatist oligarchs who conspired to place the candidate of their choice in the White House.
Another thing is obvious from the article, and that is that Ms. Ball was obviously taken into confidence by the leadership of this conspiracy and given first hand detailed information. They wanted this story to be revealed to the public. They knew because of their powerful positions that they are impervious to any legal consequences for their plainly illegal activities, as they have the impunity of wealth and political power. These people can brag about this outrage and get away with it.
There are quite a few things that have been revealed since the 2020 Presidential Election that prove the election was rigged.The most important of these are those revealed in the TIME Magazine article by Molly Ball on Feb. 4, 2021 that describe in great detail a conspiracy to rig the 2020 Presidential Election. I shall herein transcribe that in its complete form:
https://thedissedent.page/2021/07/01/2020-presidential-election-fraud/
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Why does Icono trash Trump and defend Biden?
He claims he didn't vote for the senile old zombie, but he acts like a Bidenista.....hmmm???
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Why do you trash Biden and defend Trump?
Iconoclast and I both despise Trump and Biden equally. But, you have to be "binary", treating Trump as if he's an honest broker. Certainly you understand that I'll be just as opposed to Trump as I am to Biden.
As long as you insist Trump a Saint and Biden the Devil, I have to be very careful in how I view your posts.
Zwieble, I don't give a shit what you think.
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I know. My comment wasn't meant to try to persuade you out of your "Trump rut". You've overdosed on your hatred (no matter how justified) of the Democrats. So much so that you appear to be an "influencer", hired by Trump to improve his image.
BTW: your substack report on voting machines has some good information in it that others should examine. The only problem is your demented conclusion that Trump was robbed -- as if every election since 2020 has been "honest".
An excellent example of how to take the "truth" and transform it into meaningless propaganda.
I do recommend others read it and compare your points of fact with those of Greg Palast and Brad Friedman.
Your conclusions though -- rubbish.
Zwiebel, Who is Iconoclast?
You seem to be pals. Do you know his real name?
Are you really an onion? Or is that simply a moniker you use on the internet?
When I am confronted by anonymous cretains such as Iconoclast my first reacion is that the person is likely a disinformant agent. It seems to me that they might likely be from a foreign country playing at being an American.
These are admittedly just suspicions. I am even suspicious of you, and your German surname. Why? because of your pretense to be equally against Biden and Trump. It is a ruse that both you and your anonymous pal Icono pose at.
You are both equally biased against Trump. I simply do not believe that either of you are not pro Biden masquerading as "independent minded" thinkers.
These are my conclusions. They will not be swayed by denials from either one of you clowns.
any more of your repies to me will be ignored.
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I encourage everyone to read the article and think for themselves.
I would never ask that of you though Zwiebel, you are too indoctrinated to see the basic truth anywhere.
Thanks for the animal crackers.
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If the conclusions are "rubbish" maybe you can tell us why. The conclusions of fraud have considerable circumstantial evidence. The smoking gun hasn't appeared yet, but probably will. Conclusions based on weight of evidence aren't gospel, just opinions. The constructive disagreement rebuts, not attacks.
Where is a single court case that Trump won? Some of those judges were his appointees.
My comment should have read:
"as if every election since *2000* has been 'honest'". /s
Whitten is pushing the Trump really won line because he's a MAGA-man.
My point has always been that Trump won because -this time- the Democrats (finally) cheated better than the Republicans.
If Whitten honestly wanted to support fair elections, we wouldn't have any argument. The evidence of Electoral Fraud is so blatant that one would have to be blind to not see it. But to offer up these ridiculous conspiracies like the phony ballots being "found" under a table, is foolish. The "fix" was in long, long before election night.
Plenty of evidence the election was corrupted, and plenty that the courts are corrupted. T h one who deny the corruption are either naive or complicit.
You might want to read Ed Snowden's latest article. But... Well, to be honest you wouldn't understand it. So never mind.
The cure for what you are describing is to be a policy/issue voter. How do you evaluate trumps decisions and policies versus President Biden’s?
Simple, they both work for different factions of the Oligarchy. Every decision and every policy is to further enhance the power of the Oligarchy. They appeal to different voting blocks on different social issues (abortion vs choice, LGBTQ vs Cis; Socialism vs Liberalism [although to be honest, this appeal is made using words that have no meaning]; BLM vs Law and Order; and various others)
In the end -- while sometimes the common man might achieve some help, both profit at our expense. We are idiots to not recognize we are being played off against one another.
Greenwald published Cooper's piece on this. While there are some nits that I don't agree with Cooper on, if I step back and concentrate on his theme, he is "right".
"Simple, they both work for different factions of the Oligarchy. "--Zwiebel
There are no "factions" to the oligarchy there is only one agenda. the Great Reset of the Davos Gang.
The Biden regime is on board for that, that is why they are tearing the nation to shreds along with the Constitution.
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There's no contest between Bezos, Musk and Branson? (to name just one.)
Sure Biden is on-board.
Show me how Trump isn't "on-board" for the Great Reset.
Maybe you need to watch the Godfather movies again.
As if winning the space race is equivalent to the globalist agenda.
What a stupid fuck you are.
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You need to stop bothering me. You're and idiot and my parrot doesn't like you.
So the Godfather movies will teach me how to prove a negative aye Zweiebie?
Fascinating...but stupid.
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Trump has made some better decisions than Biden in general. Specifically his pushing for the TCJA which was a huge fuck off to the DNC and is one of the reasons the COVID bailout was so huge.
I haven't seen a Biden decision I've liked but it is early.
Trump also made plenty of shitty ones. The pardon list itself is indicative of him being a shitlord, but I guess its better to be an America first shitlord than a For-sale-to-the-highest-bidder shitlord like Biden seems to be.
Presidents don't make policy as much as they endorse what the House and Senate legislate.
South Park talked about what political options are like these days and it is still relevant today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7pfsneLSSM
Iconowhack,
A cartoon show as a source...hahaha!!!
That is just your jejune style you twit.
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"But, you have to be "binary", treating Trump as if he's an honest broker."
What is with this Nietzschean metaphisical wnakaroo over "binary thinking"?
There is an up and down. There is an on and off. There is Yes and No, and good and evil. The shades inbetween can be haggled over, but charges of "binary thinking" are charges against critical thinking in a practical world of flesh and blood, agony and ecstasy....
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I’m assuming he’s a Facebook troll in Mom’s basement but I could be wrong.
I love how everyone of you people who blindly support one side or the other has called me your enemy at some point.
It just shows there is a vast swath of morons like you who are side-based and never believe their side can be wrong and never believe the other side can be right.
Like a good fat-backed sports fan arguing with your rival teams ffs.
Now I know that you're a Bidenista Icono, they are the only people who use "I love how..." as an opening to their comments. It is a dead give away.
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yep you figured me out, Im shilling for the DNC and big government here on substack, you noticed from all of my fluff posts damnit how did this happen
its sad your bloodline has gotten dumbed down since your ancestors stood up
now you just vomit up stupidity on the internet and act like that makes you a patriot
Yes it is true Iconoclast, I have figured you out. Regardless of your denials you are a DNC secret agent.
Crank on shill.
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Hello, Mr. Binary-American-Politics. You may have read Glenn on this site saying "Criticizing the left doesn't make me someone on the right"
The exact same thing can be said here. Me criticizing Trump and the right does not make me on the left. It just makes me a truthist who calls it like they see it.
You Trump cock-gobblers who think he farts perfume and pisses holy water are as bad genetically as the dipshits on the left who think big government are good.
Trump has done plenty of dumb, shitty things. Ignoring them because you like how he handles other things it the definition of homerism.
And icono's commentary is the definition of sophistry.
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You show yourself to once again, be confused about politics. How is it you can be so dense as to continue to insist that Trump is "good"?
Trump is good because he is for America first, respects the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, and tried to drain the swamp.
Trump is an authentic populist and has the best interests for the nation as his goal.
It's that simple.
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I had friends at the Capitol while you were yelling impotently about libs at home.
Do everyone a favor stop embarrassing yourself with stupidity.
"I had friends at the Capitol while you were yelling impotently"--Iconoblast
What the fuck does that have to do with anything, other than proving what an asshole you are.
You've been calling me a bidenista for 3 hours because I dared to criticize your orange god
you want to get in a monkey shitfight, Im your huckleberry
go pick on someone who cant shoot holes in every single thing you say
I have already found a dumbfuck Bidenista in you, who actually think that you have made any substantial arguments against Trump. You just call him stupid names.
I'd rather no go round'n'round with your flacky ass, but you keep ramping it up.
Shut up and go away. that is all it would take.
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I gave you one example, the pardon of DNC crooked Kwame Kilpatrick on Trump's way out the door.
You acted like you were too burdened to even look it up.
I bet you still haven't.
How often do you jerk off with a MAGA hat on?
foh
You are an idiot. fuck off.
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Eric Coomer is a member of Antifa.
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So if we voted for Trump we're a bunch of cock gobblers?
No just the two calling me a Bidenista because I criticized Trump.
It does seem like the lot of you struggles with basic reading though.
Who did you vote for?
Trump. He was the lesser of two evils.
Now maybe the two of you will shut the fuck up.
I'm terribly sorry to hurt your feelings. I need to be careful. I'm such a bully.
No feelings were hurt except the two of you who got asshurt someone dared to criticize your cheeto god.
You voted for the cheeto god? I find it hard to believe.